Is Islam right for Ireland?

Captain Obvious

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The rapes and crime skyrocketing aren't enough for you?

No, you said "all Europe is getting is the mad Saudi version". That means all Muslims in Europe follow the mad Saudi version and there are no moderate Muslims. That is absolute bull**** of the highest order.

4068ac1elhodqr

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No, you said "all Europe is getting is the mad Saudi version". That means all Muslims in Europe follow the mad Saudi version and there are no moderate Muslims. That is absolute bull**** of the highest order.

Agree with this, however there is still very major general integration issues becoming apparent (check out Denmark's latest changes to address this).

And the event in Germany (just hours ago), that injured 14 innocent folks on a bus, seems to follow a repeative pattern of worse case scenario incidents caused by assimilation failure.

Although the young Iranian lad (knife and smokingbackpack) in Luebec may just haven be suffering from general 'mental issues'.

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Europe/Western/Germany
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/991890/German-bus-attack-luebeck-terror

JohnMc1

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No, you said "all Europe is getting is the mad Saudi version". That means all Muslims in Europe follow the mad Saudi version and there are no moderate Muslims. That is absolute bull**** of the highest order.

No it isn't. Rape has skyrocketed.Violent crime has also skyrocketed and for awhile there was terrorist attack on a monthly basis across Western Europe. So yes we are getting the Violent Saudi lot. Tough luck if you can't handle it.

Lux23

inforfun wrote: »

Skewed figures as it comes to Norway.
They outsource their baddest baddies to prisons in The Netherlands since 2015.
But that is going to stop end of this year. Norway has built more prisons.

How does that affect the rates exactly? They are counted as Norwegian prisoners in their figures.

Captain Obvious

JohnMc1 wrote: »

No it isn't. Rape has skyrocketed.Violent crime has also skyrocketed and for awhile there was terrorist attack on a monthly basis across Western Europe. So yes we are getting the Violent Saudi lot. Tough luck if you can't handle it.

Again, you said all we are getting is the violent Saudi type. Are you now trying to change it to some of what we are getting or are you sticking with your original claim?

Lux23

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Again, you said all we are getting is the violent Saudi type. Are you now trying to change it to some of what we are getting or are you sticking with your original claim?

He thinks all Muslims are bad people; there's no point asking a fearful bigot to validate their opinion with evidence as they're incapable of intelligent thought.

Assetbacked

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

Agree with this, however there is still very major general integration issues becoming apparent (check out Denmark's latest changes to address this).

And the event in Germany (just hours ago), that injured 14 innocent folks on a bus, seems to follow a repeative pattern of worse case scenario incidents caused by assimilation failure.

Although the young Iranian lad (knife and smokingbackpack) in Luebec may just haven be suffering from general 'mental issues'.

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Europe/Western/Germany
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/991890/German-bus-attack-luebeck-terror

Even Germans can admit their refugee project has catastrophically failed. But for the taking of refugees incidents like these would not have happened. But for the man’s religion, this incident would not have happened. It’s not complicated and the solution is not difficult either; provide better integration of refugees are to be taken into society and ensure that they integrate or else make it clear they will be unwelcome.

Captain Obvious

Assetbacked wrote: »

Even Germans can admit their refugee project has catastrophically failed. But for the taking of refugees incidents like these would not have happened. But for the man’s religion, this incident would not have happened. It’s not complicated and the solution is not difficult either; provide better integration of refugees are to be taken into society and ensure that they integrate or else make it clear they will be unwelcome.

I don't suppose there is any point in asking for a source for your claims?

4068ac1elhodqr

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I don't suppose there is any point in asking for a source for your claims?

Well unless it was a 'mental health incident' it was likely a failure to integrate, or more general protest at the 'west', that caused the lad to injure 14 people with his knife. With religion, culture or ideology being his acting primary motivator.

Also Denmark's very recent legal changes would indicate they recognise their immigration ghettos are a state failure, and as such have resorted to 'forced integration' policies.

Billy86

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I don't suppose there is any point in asking for a source for your claims?

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you, considering German crime rates are at their lowest in 30 years.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-crime-rate-migration-antisemitism-horst-seehofer-a8343226.html

Captain Obvious

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

Well unless it was a 'mental health incident' it was likely a failure to integrate, or more general protest at the 'west', that caused the lad to injure 14 people with his knife. With religion, culture or ideology being his acting primary motivator.

Also Denmark's very recent legal changes would indicate they recognise their immigration ghettos are a state failure, and as such have resorted to 'forced integration' policies.

Is the man even a recent refugee? All I can find is mention of him being Iranian.

fritzelly

Billy86 wrote: »

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you, considering German crime rates are at their lowest in 30 years.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-crime-rate-migration-antisemitism-horst-seehofer-a8343226.html

An article without real figures is just lipstick on a pig

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime/violent-crime-rises-in-germany-and-is-attributed-to-refugees-idUSKBN1ES16J

4068ac1elhodqr

Billy86 wrote: »

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you, considering German crime rates are at their lowest in 30 years.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-crime-rate-migration-antisemitism-horst-seehofer-a8343226.html

Just avoid buses, NYE & Xmas shopping markets.

The chairman of the German Police Officers' Union, Oliver Malchow, told Welt am Sonntag to avoid "premature conclusions regarding the security situation."


He suggested that part of the decrease was related to the fact that fewer asylum seekers came to Germany last year, compared to the year before.

4068ac1elhodqr

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Is the man even a recent refugee? All I can find is mention of him being Iranian.

Who knows for sure, but if it's reported that he's Iranian, then he's likely from Iran, and not German.

Again likely just a 'mental health' event until further reports are confirmed.

Billy86

fritzelly wrote: »

An article without real figures is just lipstick on a pig

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime/violent-crime-rises-in-germany-and-is-attributed-to-refugees-idUSKBN1ES16J

No, violent crime has been down - https://www.dw.com/en/crime-in-germany-drops-10-percent-in-2017-report-shows/a-43485926

4068ac1elhodqr

Billy86 wrote: »

No, violent crime has been down - https://www.dw.com/en/crime-in-germany-drops-10-percent-in-2017-report-shows/a-43485926

by 2.4%.

• Murders increased by 3.2 percent
• Drug offenses rose 9.2 percent
• Child pornography cases rose 14.5 percent

And on the same webpage:
Public opinion: The drop in crime numbers follows a poll that found about half of Germans believe there are places in the country so lawless, that even police will not venture into them.

Billy86

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

Just avoid buses, NYE & Xmas shopping markets.

The chairman of the German Police Officers' Union, Oliver Malchow, told Welt am Sonntag to avoid "premature conclusions regarding the security situation."


He suggested that part of the decrease was related to the fact that fewer asylum seekers came to Germany last year, compared to the year before.

The decrease was huge in 2016, and decreased slightly again on that in 2017. Though that is for new cases, which is anything would suggest that the refugees are assimilating well with the laws of the land. It's the sharpest decrease since 1993, which was also shortly after integrating a lot of people from two very different histories after the wall came down. I think we can all agree at least these are very positive developments.

4068ac1elhodqr

Billy86 wrote: »

The decrease was huge in 2016, and decreased slightly again on that in 2017. Though that is for new cases, which is anything would suggest that the refugees are assimilating well with the laws of the land. It's the sharpest decrease since 1993, which was also shortly after integrating a lot of people from two very different histories after the wall came down. I think we can all agree at least these are very positive developments.

There could be many reasons for a decrease, perhaps some of those no-go areas have become self-regulating. Or this:

Since 2015, the number of Syrian, Afghan, Eritrean, Iraqi and Serbian migrants in German prisons has risen steadily, according to information obtained from five state justice ministries...

Billy86

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

by 2.4%.

• Murders increased by 3.2 percent
• Drug offenses rose 9.2 percent
• Child pornography cases rose 14.5 percent

And on the same webpage:
Public opinion: The drop in crime numbers follows a poll that found about half of Germans believe there are places in the country so lawless, that even police will not venture into them.

Vehicle theft was down by 8.5 - 9.8%
Burglaries were down by 22%
Shoplifting down by 6.6%
Pickpocketing down by 22.7%

Most importantly - overall crime down by 9.6%

And most relevant to the point - the number of non-German suspects fell by 22.8%

And let's not forget that public opinion was also that the UK would get £350mn a week if they quit the EU.

4068ac1elhodqr

Billy86 wrote: »

Vehicle theft was down by 8.5 - 9.8%
Burglaries were down by 22%
Shoplifting down by 6.6%
Pickpocketing down by 22.7%

Most importantly - overall crime down by 9.6%

And most relevant to the point - the number of non-German suspects fell by 22.8%

And let's not forget that public opinion was also that the UK would get £350mn a week if they quit the EU.

Pickpockets and shoplifing would outweighted by the rise in murders and more serious activities.

And again Since 2015, the number of Syrian, Afghan, Eritrean, Iraqi and Serbian migrants in German prisons has risen steadily. If these offenders are not on the streets then there's less crime.

Nothing to do with Brexit. It's the public opion of 50% of 'Germans' according to DW that there are no-go areas. No-go means, no crime reporting.

Captain Obvious

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

Who knows for sure, but if it's reported that he's Iranian, then he's likely from Iran, and not German.

Again likely just a 'mental health' event until further reports are confirmed.

Surely if one is to blame Germany's recent refugee policy it is relevant whether he is a recent refugee.

Billy86

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

There could be many reasons for a decrease, perhaps some of those no-go areas have become self-regulating. Or this:

Since 2015, the number of Syrian, Afghan, Eritrean, Iraqi and Serbian migrants in German prisons has risen steadily, according to information obtained from five state justice ministries...

The sources in that article actually states that Serbs are the outlier - the prison populations of the others have doubled since 2015, though there are likely a lot more than double the number in Germany (in total, not just prison) than there were in early 2015. Meanwhile Serbian populations in Germany have stayed the same, but their prison rates have gone up also.

Billy86

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

Pickpockets and shoplifing would outweighted by the rise in murders and more serious activities.

And again Since 2015, the number of Syrian, Afghan, Eritrean, Iraqi and Serbian migrants in German prisons has risen steadily. If these offenders are not on the streets then there's less crime.

Nothing to do with Brexit. It's the public opion of 50% of 'Germans' according to DW that there are no-go areas. No-go means, no crime reporting.

Nope murders going up are offset by violent crime going down. Meanwhile, the overall crime rate is down and is down significantly.

Public opinion is often very, very wrong is my point. Public opinion is often that crime is way, way up when in reality it has been dropping in most countries quite steadily since the early 90s.

4068ac1elhodqr

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Surely if one is to blame Germany's recent refugee policy it is relevant whether he is a recent refugee.

It's not confirmed, but if it's a not a 'mental health' it could indicate a failure to integrate, (not neccessary political), but on a societal level.

All that has been reported is that, armed with a kitchen knife, is believed to be a 34-year-old man originally from Iran but now a German citizen, attacked x14 random people on a bus with no clear or obvious motivation.

4068ac1elhodqr

Billy86 wrote: »

Nope murders going up are offset by violent crime going down. Meanwhile, the overall crime rate is down and is down significantly.

Public opinion is often very, very wrong is my point. Public opinion is often that crime is way, way up when in reality it has been dropping in most countries quite steadily since the early 90s.

Feel free to contact the DW organisation and tell them their report on their journalists research on public opinion is wrong, because... you said so.

What's the aul crime level like in London like these days?
(actually, it's best not to ask).

fritzelly

Billy86 wrote: »

Nope murders going up are offset by violent crime going down. Meanwhile, the overall crime rate is down and is down significantly.

Public opinion is often very, very wrong is my point. Public opinion is often that crime is way, way up when in reality it has been dropping in most countries quite steadily since the early 90s.

It's all grand then - 12 people killed and 56 injured in a terror attack, but we have 2 less rapes and 3 less aggravated burglaries so we actually have 4 less crime reports - those figures are looking lovely

And since when has the distinction between murders going up and violent crime going down been a good thing?

ancapailldorcha

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

What's the aul crime level like in London like these days?
(actually, it's best not to ask).

You could at least try not to sound so delighted. Fine by the way.

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ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Fine by the way.

That so? 70% increase in youth homicide, sure it'll be grand like.

https://www.london.gov.uk/moderngov/documents/s67144/05b%20-%20Appendix%201%20-%20MOPAC%20Quarterly%20Report.pdf

TomSweeney

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I think they are only interested in the punishment aspect of prison. The idea of forcing a Muslim to read nothing but the bible for the rest of his life gets them off.

But probably deeply offends you ?
If it were a white supremacist KKK criminal you'd probably wet yourself if all he had was the Koran to read.

ancapailldorcha

2 Scoops wrote: »

That so? 70% increase in youth homicide, sure it'll be grand like.

https://www.london.gov.uk/moderngov/documents/s67144/05b%20-%20Appendix%201%20-%20MOPAC%20Quarterly%20Report.pdf

34 in a city of 8 million people with millions more commuters. Typical Trump supporter logic.

Billy86

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

Feel free to contact the DW organisation and tell them their report on their journalists research on public opinion is wrong, because... you said so.

So you're saying the UK public were correct then, and they do receive 350mn a week since quitting the EU?

Try and twist it if you wish, I never said the researchers were wrong - I said public opinion is often wrong. The researchers into public opinion on £350mn would appear accurate, but the public opinion was completely wrong.

What's the aul crime level like in London like these days?
(actually, it's best not to ask).

Thanks for clearing up any lingering doubts I had that you seem frustrated about crime being down in Germany.

You mean about the same London that has a lower murder rate than Dublin though, correct?

Captain Obvious

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

It's not confirmed, but if it's a not a 'mental health' it could indicate a failure to integrate, (not neccessary political), but on a societal level.

All that has been reported is that, armed with a kitchen knife, is believed to be a 34-year-old man originally from Iran but now a German citizen, attacked x14 random people on a bus with no clear or obvious motivation.

Just to remind you what the post I'm responding to said.

Assetbacked wrote: »

Even Germans can admit their refugee project has catastrophically failed. But for the taking of refugees incidents like these would not have happened. But for the man’s religion, this incident would not have happened. It’s not complicated and the solution is not difficult either; provide better integration of refugees are to be taken into society and ensure that they integrate or else make it clear they will be unwelcome.

TomSweeney wrote: »

But probably deeply offends you ?
If it were a white supremacist KKK criminal you'd probably wet yourself if all he had was the Koran to read.

No, I don't believe in torture.

Billy86

fritzelly wrote: »

It's all grand then - 12 people killed and 56 injured in a terror attack, but we have 2 less rapes and 3 less aggravated burglaries so we actually have 4 less crime reports - those figures are looking lovely

Citation needed.

fritzelly

Billy86 wrote: »

Citation needed.

No citation needed to counter your rosy dropping crime rates while forgetting worse crimes are rising or did you miss the hyperbole

Billy86

fritzelly wrote: »

No citation needed to counter your rosy dropping crime rates while forgetting worse crimes are rising or did you miss the hyperbole

Ah, so you were just talking completely out of your hole. Colour me shocked.

4068ac1elhodqr

Billy86 wrote: »

So you're saying the UK public were correct then, and they do receive 350mn a week since quitting the EU?

Try and twist it if you wish, I never said the researchers were wrong - I said public opinion is often wrong. The researchers into public opinion on £350mn would appear accurate, but the public opinion was completely wrong.

You mean about the same London that has a lower murder rate than Dublin though, correct?

The uk public never stated they believed that, which was part of an 'advertisment campaign' by a sponsored group. There was indeed misinformation on 'both' sides, and thousands of companies haven't left the UK as of yet (2yrs on from the vote) as was implied by the remainers.

At the end of the day they voted for Brexit, and border control combined with self-determination was always a much bigger pull factor to them than the 350m or any other financal hit.

You said public opinon in Germany was wrong. That's your view alone.
Nope Dublin has massive crime rates too (never implied it doesn't), like London, and no one is praising these ugly statistics btw.

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ancapailldorcha wrote: »

34 in a city of 8 million people with millions more commuters. Typical Trump supporter logic.

Typical biased politics forum mod logic. Every digit almost is in red, you what that means? Rising crime. Not that hard to wrap your head around.

31% increase in knife crimes, 34% increase in burglary's, 20% increase in serious youth violence, 34% increase in theft, in one year.

Billy86

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

The uk public never stated they believed that, which was part of an 'advertisment campaign' by a sponsored group. There was indeed misinformation on 'both' sides, and thousands of companies haven't left the UK as of yet (2yrs on from the vote) as was implied by the remainers.

At the end of the day they voted for Brexit, and border control combined with self-determination was always a much bigger pull factor to them than the 350m or any other financal hit.

You said public opinon in Germany was wrong. That's your view alone.

They did actually - 47% believed it vs 39% who did not: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nearly-half-of-britons-believe-vote-leaves-false-350-million-a-week-to-the-eu-claim-a7085016.html

And we've seen a lot of companies get out of Britain or scale back operations there, despite them being nearly a full year off them actually leaving the EU. Easyjet, Deutsche Bank, Microsoft, Smiffy's, Goldman Sachs, Diageo, Unilever, Lloyd's of f***ing London. It's pretty clear Brexit from an economic standpoint is set to be a disaster, not a £350mn windfall.

But try telling that to the British public back in weeks before the vote. But guess what? They were wrong. Very, very, very wrong.

Nope Dublin has massive crime rates too (never implied it doesn't), like London, and no one is praising these ugly statistics btw.

Well if you weren't implying that London's murder rate is due to migrants I'm at a loss, what were you implying?

4068ac1elhodqr

Billy86 wrote: »

They did actually - 47% believed it vs 39% who did not: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nearly-half-of-britons-believe-vote-leaves-false-350-million-a-week-to-the-eu-claim-a7085016.html

And we've seen a lot of companies get out of Britain or scale back operations there, despite them being nearly a full year off them actually leaving the EU. Easyjet, Deutsche Bank, Microsoft, Smiffy's, Goldman Sachs, Diageo, Unilever, Lloyd's of f***ing London. It's pretty clear Brexit from an economic standpoint is set to be a disaster, not a £350mn windfall.

But try telling that to the British public back in weeks before the vote. But guess what? They were wrong. Very, very, very wrong.

Well if you weren't implying that London's murder rate is due to migrants I'm at a loss, what were you implying?

That particluar poll said 47% Yes, 39% No, but importantly 14% ‘don’t know’. Again a marketing campaign. End of the day yes Brexit means paying less to the EU, but also some additional costs (but unknown at this stage). Likely no one will know for sure, until well past March 2019.

btw, the UK this month (2yrs after the brexit vote) is enjoying '4-decade low unemployment', go figure?

London increased crime rate is indeed mainly due to 'gang culture'. Much of the gangs membership is made up yes of British nationals, but also generally of 1, 2 or 3rd migrants or from ethnic minorities or otherwise not classified as 'white british'.

Billy86

Liana Scruffy Jell-o wrote: »

That particluar poll said 47% Yes, 39% No, but importantly 14% ‘don’t know’. Again a marketing campaign. End of the day yes Brexit means paying less to the EU, but also some additional costs (but unknown at this stage). Likely no one will know for sure, until well past March 2019.

btw, the UK this month (2yrs after the brexit vote) is enjoying '4-decade low unemployment', go figure?

London increased crime rate is indeed mainly due to 'gang culture'. Much of the gangs membership is made up yes of British nationals, but also generally of 1, 2 or 3rd migrants or from ethnic minorities or otherwise not classified as 'white british'.

And yet the number of people on benefits in the UK are still going up as wages continue to stagnate. That's not a good sign for the economy or well paying jobs, like with those global companies listed.

The UK has already suffered more damage to it's economy than the cost of their EU contributions... and again, they're not even leaving the UK another 9 months or so: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-22/u-k-brexit-hit-already-exceeds-eu-budget-payments-study-shows

Can I get a citation for London's crime rate going up over the last 20-30 years, as they have been experiencing immigration for a lot longer than us? Because 1-2 years back the murder rate had been steadily falling and was at it's lowest rate in over 40 years. If they're to blame for it, then surely the likes of Dublin's higher murder rate than their shouldn't even exist?

ancapailldorcha

2 Scoops wrote: »

Typical biased politics forum mod logic. Every digit almost is in red, you what that means? Rising crime. Not that hard to wrap your head around.

31% increase in knife crimes, 34% increase in burglary's, 20% increase in serious youth violence, 34% increase in theft, in one year.

When you look at changes in tiny number Mr. Rereg, any changes will result in huge percentages. Your petty attempts to make London out as if it is some kind of hellhole simply because it has a Muslim mayor is pathetically transparent.

fritzelly

Billy86 wrote: »

And yet the number of people on benefits in the UK are still going up as wages continue to stagnate. That's not a good sign for the economy or well paying jobs, like with those global companies listed.

Whatever..
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

Billy86 wrote: »

The UK has already suffered more damage to it's economy than the cost of their EU contributions... and again, they're not even leaving the UK another 9 months or so: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-22/u-k-brexit-hit-already-exceeds-eu-budget-payments-study-shows

Whatever again...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/27/how-has-the-brexit-vote-affected-the-economy-march-verdict

fritzelly

Omackeral wrote: »

Wow, literally a few hours later...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/20/man-with-knife-attacks-bus-passengers-in-germany-10-hurt.html

Thats like old news from hours and hours ago...

...and post deleted lol

Omackeral

fritzelly wrote: »

Thats like old news from hours and hours ago...

Yeah I realised that and deleted it, d'oh

Billy86

fritzelly wrote: »

Whatever..
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

And like I already said, the number of people on benefits is up. Your idea of a dream UK might be like one of those 'Walmart cities' in the US where the economy is fecked beyond repair while a high percentage of people earn so little that they need to also claim welfare payments, but most people's is not.

Whatever again...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/27/how-has-the-brexit-vote-affected-the-economy-march-verdict

So the GBP is still a whole lot weaker than it was in 2016, and is weaker than it was vs. the Euro a year ago, the FTSE outlook over the last several months is looking bleak and Brexit looms closer, more British people are relying on welfare while in employment, the CSI has skyrocketed since June 2016, trade deficits are continuing to grow as people know they are soon to be out of the world's most powerful trading bloc, and the looming trade war thanks to the Orangest Of Them All is not likely to be kind to the UK, retail sales are also down as some of the biggest names are struggling, and the housing market is entering an epic slump of what is now 11 months and counting... issues all made worse by the fact that they'll be paying north of £25bn in 'divorce bills' over the next three years (2019-21) and will not save any money on Brexit for at least half a decade.

Sounds spiffing, at least if you're the type of person who doesn't actually read their sources.

fritzelly

Lets compare that to Ireland who are still in the EU...or should we just use a single case to make an argument?

Anyway ffs - this is nothing to do with the thread

Billy86

fritzelly wrote: »

Lets compare that to Ireland who are still in the EU...or should we just use a single case to make an argument?

Anyway ffs - this is nothing to do with the thread

I know I know, it's frustrating that the UK leaving the EU was indeed a woeful decision, and even more upsetting that London is a safer city than Dublin despite having more migrants per capita.

It wasn't me that went and brought London up though, it was another poster trying to deflect from the fact that Germany's crime rate is at it's lowest in 30-odd years... despite having taken in so many migrants over that time. Another reason for some to be upset for people who want to see more crime to villify migrants and minorities with.

Oh well, whatever.

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ancapailldorcha wrote: »

When you look at changes in tiny number Mr. Rereg, any changes will result in huge percentages. Your petty attempts to make London out as if it is some kind of hellhole simply because it has a Muslim mayor is pathetically transparent.

Grab a calculator if it helps, the crimes I cited like knife crime (up thousands) Theft (up + 10,000) aren't "small numbers". 35 of the 41 categories of crime have risen. Even the BBC can be honest, why can't you?

Star Bingo

Out of interest does anyone near my locale know if there’s a mosque or something now operating out of a premises at the Crumlin Cross?

Opposite Our Ladies Hopital for Children. There’s so many Africans / Middle Eastern types with all the funky gear they wear up and down my street on a daily basis now it feels like I’m somewhere else altogether! Didn’t realise there were so many in the vicinity its fairly startling.....old crumlin to reiterate. Definitely something they’re attending down near the tyre shop on the corner

AfterLife

Star Bingo wrote: »

Out of interest does anyone near my locale know if there’s a mosque or something now operating out of a premises at the Crumlin Cross?

Opposite Our Ladies Hopital for Children. There’s so many Africans / Middle Eastern types with all the funky gear they wear up and down my street on a daily basis now it feels like I’m somewhere else altogether! Didn’t realise there were so many in the vicinity its fairly startling.....old crumlin to reiterate. Definitely something they’re attending down near the tyre shop on the corner

Its more likely to be a church. Most of the Africans that moved here are Christian.