Is Islam right for Ireland?

PlaneSpeeking

inforfun wrote: »

And while we are on it... Dutch minister of foreign affairs is being made to eat his words after footage leaked from a meeting where he made some interesting points.
Trouble was that those points were completely against the multicultural agenda so now he has to be force fed humble pie.

His remarks here

Fair question though - where is a successful multicultural society ??

ELM327

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Fair question though - where is a successful multicultural society ??

Is there one?
I'm struggling to think of one.


Just goes to further the theory that if a cat has kittens in a stable, they are still kittens and not foals.

PlaneSpeeking

ELM327 wrote: »

Is there one?
I'm struggling to think of one.


Just goes to further the theory that if a cat has kittens in a stable, they are still kittens and not foals.

I can only speak for what I've witnessed - streets back in the UK with Bangladeshi flags at either end and "Sharia Zone" signs plus a recent trip to Lyon where I was genuinely scared at the behaviour of a group of young North African men who behaved towards any female, comments, "pack" like actions - it was like being prey in the Serengeti. Even towards me and I'm late 40s and fat so not a looker by any stretch!!

Some cultures either have to be left behind or ideally not imported en masse, they're simply incompatible.

Giraffe Box

ELM327 wrote: »

Is there one?
I'm struggling to think of one.


Just goes to further the theory that if a cat has kittens in a stable, they are still kittens and not foals.

Yes, but it won't necessarily make them dangerous or erratic.......they might just be stable kittens.

ELM327

Giraffe Box wrote: »

Yes, but it won't necessarily make them dangerous or erratic.......they might just be stable kittens.

Yes but kittens don't attack the natives or try and implement ridiculous sharia zones and their own laws.

ancapailldorcha

ELM327 wrote: »

Is there one?
I'm struggling to think of one.

Many Western societies are multicultural.

ELM327 wrote: »

Just goes to further the theory that if a cat has kittens in a stable, they are still kittens and not foals.

We're talking about human beings, not animals.

Giraffe Box

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but kittens don't attack the natives or try and implement ridiculous sharia zones and their own laws.

Not all kittens surely, or even all Muslim kittens I'd wager.

PlaneSpeeking

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Many Western societies are multicultural.



We're talking about human beings, not animals.

Not always no, if you fail to act like a human you should not be afforded that title.

ancapailldorcha

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Not always no, if you fail to act like a human you should not be afforded that title.

Nor should you be blamed for the actions of other people.

PlaneSpeeking

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but kittens don't attack the natives or try and implement ridiculous sharia zones and their own laws.

ELM327 great point but I'd give up - you're about to have that point mocked by the cult defenders, expect sarcasm about Muslim cats or Allameeow akhbar or similar.

ELM327

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Many Western societies are multicultural.

Yes but successful?
There are social problems in most "integrated" countries. Look at the likes of Birmingham in the UK, the sharia areas in Paris (where according to a parisian co worker of mine, even the police don't go), the problems in Germany which is bringing about the rise of AFD, Austria, Sweden, Belgium the list goes on.


A case could be made for Holland but everyone is high there anyway :pac:

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

We're talking about human beings, not animals.

It's an analogy. As well you know.

PlaneSpeeking

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Nor should you be blamed for the actions of other people.

You know the definition of a moderate Muslim ?

One who is glad the extremists carry out their thoughts and ideas.

ELM327

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

ELM327 great point but I'd give up - you're about to have that point mocked by the cult defenders, expect sarcasm about Muslim cats or Allameeow akhbar or similar.

Arah sure I'm used to that here.

Generally threads here on liberalism have a 10:1 poster ratio in favour of mindless liberalism at all costs

ancapailldorcha

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You know the definition of a moderate Muslim ?

One who is glad the extremists carry out their thoughts and ideas.

Proof?

ELM327

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Nor should you be blamed for the actions of other people.

But, like the paedophile priests in the catholic church, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

ancapailldorcha

ELM327 wrote: »

But, like the paedophile priests in the catholic church, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

So non-paedophile priests are partly to blame. That's just drivel to be honest.

inforfun

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Fair question though - where is a successful multicultural society ??

Better thing to ask is ...what is multicultural?

I went to school in the 2nd biggest city in The Netherlands and out of the 30 or so kids in my class, there were 4 Indonesian, 1 from Surinam, 1 from Yugoslavia, 1 guy from Pakistan, a Chinese guy, a Swedish girl, Italian guy and i am sure i miss 1 or 2.
There was never ever a problem that you could even remotely link to a "cultural difference"
To me that is multicultural with a dominant western culture and it did work.

Nowadays there are public schools in the big cities were 80 or 90% of the kids are muslim. That is monocultural


Nowadays my school has been renamed to Ibn Khaldoun but it had to be renamed after that after it appeared they had been handing out the exams, including the answers, for a few years.
And supporters of the multikul (Dutch for multicultural bull****) were so proud this Islamic school was getting such great results....

If political figures like the new mayor of Amsterdam Femke Halsema, who is as left as they come (Groen Links >>> Green Left) is taking her kids out of a black school to put them in a white school, because she thinks it is better for her kids, you know **** is ****ed up.
And that is so ****ed up about most of these advocates of the multicultural society.... they avoid living in it themselves or escape it as fast as they can, as soon as they can.

You only have to look at the groen links members in the Dutch parliament, Dutch Senate and Europe how diversity is something that is for the others but not for them.

PlaneSpeeking

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

So non-paedophile priests are partly to blame. That's just drivel to be honest.

No, it's not. It's spot on.

If you knew that your fellow priest was abusing children, said nothing and facilitated them going to a different parish KNOWING they would start again - then yes, you are partly to blame.

ELM327

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

So non-paedophile priests are partly to blame. That's just drivel to be honest.

This is not a thread about the paedophile priests
But they were all complicit, they all covered it up, right the way to the vatican.

ancapailldorcha

ELM327 wrote: »

This is not a thread about the paedophile priests
But they were all complicit, they all covered it up, right the way to the vatican.

I didn't bring it up. It's frankly a false equivalence as the millions of Muslims in Europe don't speak to each other like they're all part of the same organisation.

PlaneSpeeking

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Proof?

Nothing the achingly hip and progressive left acceot but why not try:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

The Grauniad should be nice and fluffy and liberal for you.

DickSwiveller Returns

ELM327 wrote: »

But, like the paedophile priests in the catholic church, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

That makes no sense

PlaneSpeeking

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I didn't bring it up. It's frankly a false equivalence as the millions of Muslims in Europe don't speak to each other like they're all part of the same organisation.

They don't need to - as long as they have the same Quran and teachings and the rest of the bull****, it'll pass along.

aroundthehouse

I watch citizen Khan on Gold and I think its very funny

PlaneSpeeking

aroundthehouse wrote: »

I watch citizen Khan on Gold and I think its very funny

It's dire.

Goodness Gracious Me, now that was funny.

DickSwiveller Returns

ELM327 wrote: »

This is not a thread about the paedophile priests
But they were all complicit, they all covered it up, right the way to the vatican.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. They didn't *all* cover it up. Your obsession with the Catholic Church is unnerving.

ancapailldorcha

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Nothing the achingly hip and progressive left acceot but why not try:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

The Grauniad should be nice and fluffy and liberal for you.

I imagine many other religious people do as well though you're not complaining about them oddly enough.

aroundthehouse

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

It's dire.

Goodness Gracious Me, now that was funny.

Goodness Gracious Me was good but in fairness they didnt have to be as PC back then, I think Khan is funny, its almost self mockery and it puts a friendly spin on muslims which is something you dont often see

PlaneSpeeking

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I imagine many other religious people do as well though you're not complaining about them oddly enough.

WTF ?? I've just said many Catholic priests who may not have directly abused kids were complicit.

And I'm Catholic ffs!!

PlaneSpeeking

aroundthehouse wrote: »

Goodness Gracious Me was good but in fairness they didnt have to be as PC back then, I think Khan is funny, its almost self mockery and it puts a friendly spin on muslims which is something you dont often see

Might give it another go, fair enough so!

Still think East is East and Bend it Like Beckham were brilliant and should be held up more!

aroundthehouse

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Might give it another go, fair enough so!

Still think East is East and Bend it Like Beckham were brilliant and should be held up more!

i agree, bend it like beckham was a great movie

Timberrrrrrrr

ELM327 wrote: »

But, like the paedophile priests in the catholic church, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

So catholics in Ireland should be held responsible for the rapes the priests carried out?

PlaneSpeeking

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So catholics in Ireland should be held responsible for the rapes the priests carried out?

That's not what the point was.

I'm Catholic and was disgusted when the extent came out.

Had I known about it and agreed that it was okay, or actively covered it up/defended it - absolutely I should have been held responsible.

It's apples and oranges though - very few Catholics would have thought raping altar servers was okay but plenty of Muslims are happy to see indoctrination and brainwashing going on in their mosques/madrassas.

Timberrrrrrrr

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

That's not what the point was.

I'm Catholic and was disgusted when the extent came out.

Had I known about it and agreed that it was okay, or actively covered it up/defended it - absolutely I should have been held responsible.

It's apples and oranges though - very few Catholics would have thought raping altar servers was okay but plenty of Muslims are happy to see indoctrination and brainwashing going on in their mosques/madrassas.

It doesnt matter wether you knew about it or not

In your own words

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

They don't need to - as long as they have the same BIBLE and teachings and the rest of the bull****, it'll pass along.

PlaneSpeeking

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It doesnt matter wether you knew about it or not

In your own words

Nowhere in my bible does it say raping altar servers is okay.

The Quran does however say killing unbelievers is keenly encouraged.

And again - missed the point. There are "normal" Muslims in the UK who think the actions of suicide bombers and jihadis are okay.

DickSwiveller Returns

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It doesnt matter wether you knew about it or not

In your own words

Where in the bible does it say you should rape children? Chapter and verse please.

PlaneSpeeking

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Where in the bible does it say you should rape children? Chapter and verse please.

TBH in 16 years of Catholic school I read some rough sh*te, Leviticus etc but I never spotted that.

Timberrrrrrrr

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Nowhere in my bible does it say raping altar servers is okay.

The Quran does however say killing unbelievers is keenly encouraged.

And again - missed the point. There are "normal" Muslims in the UK who think the actions of suicide bombers and jihadis are okay.

But the bible does say rape is ok and murder. There were also plenty of catholics in Ireland who thought the IRA blowing up kids was ok

ELM327

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But the bible does say rape is ok and murder.

The bible, catholicism, and religion in general is a load of hogwash anyway.
But christanity these days is very mellow compared to the blow-em-ups from the middle east

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

There were also plenty of catholics in Ireland who thought the IRA blowing up kids was ok

The IRA were targeting a foreign army residing in their country.
That's completely different.

Timberrrrrrrr

ELM327 wrote: »

The bible, catholicism, and religion in general is a load of hogwash anyway.
But christanity these days is very mellow compared to the blow-em-ups from the middle east

All religion is hogwash, wasnt so long ago Christianity was murdering by the millions though.

The IRA were targeting a foreign army residing in their country.
That's completely different.

Which army were 3 year old Johnathan Ball and 12 year old Tim Parry part of?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bomb_attacks

Taytoland

end of the road wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Leftists don't give a damn. No number of grooming rape gangs will stop them from defending Islamic ideology.

where in Islamic ideology is grooming and abuse condoned or mandated? which scripture? anyone has the right to practice a religion. if they break the laws of the land, then the authorities have an obligation to deal with it.

The very founder of it was a pedophile. So yes, it has a huge tradition in Islam.

PlaneSpeeking

ELM327 wrote: »

The bible, catholicism, and religion in general is a load of hogwash anyway.
But christanity these days is very mellow compared to the blow-em-ups from the middle east


The IRA were targeting a foreign army residing in their country.
That's completely different.

So very true. If there was no gerrymandering, collusion and anti Catholic mistreatment and witholding of basic civil rights - there would have been no need for the IRA.

For some to equate an armed struggle against oppression with attacking people on a night out or at a gig where kids are present is plain wrong.

PlaneSpeeking

Taytoland wrote: »

The very founder of it was a pedophile. So yes, it has a huge tradition in Islam.

Ah be fair now, he waited till she was 9.

Credit where due..... :rolleyes:

Timberrrrrrrr

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So very true. If there was no gerrymandering, collusion and anti Catholic mistreatment and witholding of basic civil rights - there would have been no need for the IRA.

For some to equate an armed struggle against oppression with attacking people on a night out or at a gig where kids are present is plain wrong.

Like the Birmingham pub bomings?

K.Flyer

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But the bible does say rape is ok and murder. There were also plenty of catholics in Ireland who thought the IRA blowing up kids was ok

So you are saying for that reason people should give today's Muslim extremists and their supporters a pass?

PlaneSpeeking

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Like the Birmingham pub bomings?

Because they were British, not because Allah said the sexes were mixing.

Let's end this now, you're never going to see it.

PlaneSpeeking

K.Flyer wrote: »

So you are saying for that reason people should give today's Muslim extremists and their supporters a pass?

I'd say that's exactly what the last few posts have suggested.

Timberrrrrrrr

K.Flyer wrote: »

So you are saying for that reason people should give today's Muslim extremists and their supporters a pass?

Please show me a single post of mine where i have said that? I'm saying you cannot tar all muslims due to a small minority who commit terrorist attacks the same way you cannot tar all irish due to the acts of the IRA

Timberrrrrrrr

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Because they were British, not because Allah said the sexes were mixing.

Let's end this now, you're never going to see it.

So killing people on a night out is ok with you once its your kind of killing?

ELM327

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

All religion is hogwash, wasnt so long ago Christianity was murdering by the millions though.





Which army were 3 year old Johnathan Ball and 12 year old Tim Parry part of?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bomb_attacks

So what about all the british atrocities up north, attacking children with guns (family of mine)
What about bloody sunday if you're going to rake up the past.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Please show me a singke post of mine where i have said that? I'm saying you cannot tar all muslims due to a small minority who commit terrorist attacjs the same way you cannot tar all irish due to the acts of the IRA

The muslims are coming bombing the west, where they are not welcome.
The IRA were freedom fighters in their own country. Bombing foreign people who were not welcome. Big difference.