Is Islam right for Ireland?

Omackeral

thebull85 wrote: »

Suspended sentence imminent...

There's no shortage of Irish scumbags doing sh*t like that as well Bull, in all fairness.

PlaneSpeeking

Omackeral wrote: »

There's no shortage of Irish scumbags doing sh*t like that as well Bull, in all fairness.

You're right there Ted.

But why import more ??!!

Midlife

thebull85 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INHbF3K8Wo8

Suspended sentence imminent...

See, this is kind of my question about this thread.

What does Islam have to do with that? It's not like Ireland is historically divorced from child abuse.

We're just picking out any activities we don't like perpetrated by people from the middle east and lumping them in a thread.

Does no-one else seriously see this?

thebull85

Omackeral wrote: »

There's no shortage of Irish scumbags doing sh*t like that as well Bull, in all fairness.

Ah i know that, there will be no shortage of muslims doing it either as the population grows. There are lessons to be learned from whats happening across the water.

But of course most of the sheep believe we will be immume to that.

_Kaiser_

Midlife wrote: »

See, this is kind of my question about this thread.

What does Islam have to do with that? It's not like Ireland is historically divorced from child abuse.

We're just picking out any activities we don't like perpetrated by people from the middle east and lumping them in a thread.

Does no-one else seriously see this?

Answered in the post directly above yours.

ELM327

Midlife wrote: »

See, this is kind of my question about this thread.

What does Islam have to do with that? It's not like Ireland is historically divorced from child abuse.

We're just picking out any activities we don't like perpetrated by people from the middle east and lumping them in a thread.

Does no-one else seriously see this?

Yes but the irish ones doing it are our problem
Why do we need to import more problems.


It's like the french, when they started getting problems with immigrants and a lot of them creating ghettos, no go areas for the indigenous french people and increasing crime, the government marketed them as "une chance pour la france". Except they were not "une chance", and france has one of the worst problematic societies as large chunks of the population have not integrated and actively dislike france.

Midlife

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You're right there Ted.

But why import more ??!!

Is there a simple link between race/religion and child sex exploitation?

Omackeral

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You're right there Ted.

But why import more ??!!

Oh absolutely don't import more if they're scumbuckets. This POS seems to be illegal too going by his own admissions so fcuk him. He's a pure dog but I don't think it's massively relevant to Islam or anything.

Roger Hassenforder

In other news here in Cork, some parents request not to have a male teacher teach their girl ( in primary school) was accomdated by moving the teacher to another class.

PlaneSpeeking

Midlife wrote: »

Is there a simple link between race/religion and child sex exploitation?

Yes.

When your "faith" was started by a paedophile, and over 80% of grooming gang members in the UK are from less than 2% of a population (all sharing same nonce led belief system) then yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

TheValeyard

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

In other news here in Cork, some parents request not to have a male teacher teach their girl ( in primary school) was accomdated by moving the teacher to another class.

Any link to that?

If true, the teacher should have refused to move and the shame on the principal for giving in to this parents demand. Already a shortage of male primary teachers as it is.

Rory28

Midlife wrote: »

I would say extremists are not like that.

Just my opinion though.

When was the last time you had a conversation with a Muslim woman?

Midlife

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Yes.

When your "faith" was started by a paedophile, and over 80% of grooming gang members in the UK are from less than 2% of a population (all sharing same nonce led belief system) then yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

Here lies pointless debate.

Midlife

Rory28 wrote: »

When was the last time you had a conversation with a Muslim woman?

Yesterday funnily enough. I work primarily in D15.

PlaneSpeeking

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

In other news here in Cork, some parents request not to have a male teacher teach their girl ( in primary school) was accomdated by moving the teacher to another class.

Let me guess, they weren't originally from Mayfield or the environs ????

Hector Savage

thebull85 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INHbF3K8Wo8

Suspended sentence imminent...

Not that I'm standing up for this guy, but these "Child Protection" groups are scum,. they don't give a **** about the "kiddies" .. they just want SM fame and likes ..

PlaneSpeeking

Midlife wrote: »

Here lies pointless debate.

Can you argue either point is factually incorrect ?

PlaneSpeeking

Hector Savage wrote: »

Not that I'm standing up for this guy, but these "Child Protection" groups are scum,. they don't give a **** about the "kiddies" .. they just want SM fame and likes ..

Didn't clock the link - was it those gangs who go round Facebook live broadcasting "Stings" ?

Definitely could not give two hoots about child welfare, or they wouldn't endanger prosecutions.

SnakePlissken

Midlife wrote: »

Is there a simple link between race/religion and child sex exploitation?

Yes.

84% of all convicted child sex groomers in the UK are Asian, mostly Pakistani.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

Midlife

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Can you argue either point is factually incorrect ?

Yes, and then I'll counter it with my own statistics and then we'll have a pointless argument.

We'll both choose to interpret the facts our own way, find more sources that support only our point of view, start highlighting things in Caps and Italics and so on and so forth.

Are you sure you want to do that?

Midlife

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Yes.

84% of all convicted child sex groomers in the UK are Asian.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

and 100% of pedophile rings are white.

so no Australians or Canadians either?

SnakePlissken

Midlife wrote: »

and 100% of pedophile rings are white.

I provided a clear verifiable link to my statement, would you like to do the same or is your level of debate limited to fabricating absolute infantile nonsense such as the above.

Midlife

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I provided a clear verifiable link to my statement, would you like to do the same or is your level of debate limited to fabricating absolute infantile nonsense such as the above.

As soon as you develop better manners tbh.

SnakePlissken

Midlife wrote: »

As soon as you develop better manners tbh.

I could post a lengthy retort but it's a waste of my time. Quite simply, you're talking bollix, you made this ludicrous claim;

Midlife wrote: »

and 100% of pedophile rings are white.

You know it's disingenuous twaddle, I know it's disingenuous twaddle, everyone in this thread (even those who share your viewpoint) knows it's disingenuous twaddle, you've embarrassed yourself frankly.

PlaneSpeeking

Midlife wrote: »

Yes, and then I'll counter it with my own statistics and then we'll have a pointless argument.

We'll both choose to interpret the facts our own way, find more sources that support only our point of view, start highlighting things in Caps and Italics and so on and so forth.

Are you sure you want to do that?

So, no you can't dispute that both are facts. Good to know.

SnakePlissken

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So, no you can't dispute that both are facts. Good to know.

What you believe to be facts and what Midlife believe's are facts might not completely marry;

Midlife wrote: »

100% of pedophile rings are white.

Midlife

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I could post a lengthy retort but it's a waste of my time. Quite simply, you're talking bollix, you made this ludicrous claim;



You know it's disingenuous twaddle, I know it's disingenuous twaddle, everyone in this thread (even those who share your viewpoint) knows it's disingenuous twaddle, you've embarrassed yourself frankly.

Disingenuous? Really.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

84% of all convicted child sex groomers in the UK are Asian

Care to elaborate? Because that's not what your link says.

Hector Savage

What about that Cork case ?
I really hope it's not true, this is the thin edge of the wedge if they start submitting to Islamofascism ...

PlaneSpeeking

Midlife wrote: »

Disingenuous? Really.



Care to elaborate? Because that's not what your link says.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html

Have at it.

Captain Obvious

Midlife wrote: »

and 100% of pedophile rings are white.

They most certainly are not.

SnakePlissken

Midlife wrote: »

Disingenuous? Really.

Bollix, lies, nonsense, waffle, garbage, fantasy, take your pick of any synonym you wish.

Midlife wrote: »

Care to elaborate? Because that's not what your link says.

The link I posted says this exactly;

However, they discovered that 222 of those convicted, or 84 per cent, were men of Asian origin. Only 22 were black and 18 were white with two offenders not having an identified ethnicity. The findings are in stark contrast to the fact Asians make up only seven per cent of the UK population, the report said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

Now I won't be responding to you any further until you be an adult and admit you completely made up the below and give your explanation as to why you did so;

Midlife wrote: »

100% of pedophile rings are white.

inforfun

You might as well stop asking the defenders of islam\multiculturalism what the benefits could be from bringing in a few 100.000 more of them. There are none.

Dutch minister of Integration and Housing Vogelaar (member of the pro islam\immigrant party PVDA) a few years ago was asked the same question and she stuttered something about "dresses worn over jeans" and "food" and that was it.

Roger Hassenforder

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Any link to that?

If true, the teacher should have refused to move and the shame on the principal for giving in to this parents demand. Already a shortage of male primary teachers as it is.

No link, it's not in the news.

Teacher is a new teacher (not permanent) to the school, hardly in a position to kick off.
You're right, shame on the principal.

PlaneSpeeking

inforfun wrote: »

You might as well stop asking the defenders of islam\multiculturalism what the benefits could be from bringing in a few 100.000 more of them. There are none.

Dutch minister of Integration and Housing Vogelaar (member of the pro islam\immigrant party PVDA) a few years ago was asked the same question and she stuttered something about "dresses worn over jeans" and "food" and that was it.

You are kidding ??? Oh dear Lord! They really have lost the plot now.

Midlife

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html

Have at it.

Fine. Have it your way.

Your link only relates to 'grooming gangs'. Snake Pllisken said 'all child grooming cases'.

So he's stateing that of the child grooming cases in the UK, 84% were carried out by British Asians which is simply not not true. It's not. Read the actual article please.

The truth is that 84% of the people who groomed children with others were British Asian - which is totally messed up. No denying. But we're talking pedophilia here, they're all messed up.

Surely the question should be 'are British Asians more likely to abuse children?'

The same article you just quoted to me says that a 2012 report from the The National Crime Agency’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command (CEOP) found that 85% of child sex abusers were white. WHITE!!!

In 2011, the Last British census, 86% of the population were white. So instances of child abuse are fairly evenly spread and that's before you get to questions of under-reporting in particular communities.

It also says that 100% of the people convicted of pedophile rings were white, as I mentioned earlier.

If I was being really nitpicky, I'd say you also said 2% in your original statement but Muslims make up about 5%.

My question for you again is where does Islam fit into this? I've just explained how a white British person is just as likely to abuse a child as a British Asian. There's no mention of religion.

Midlife

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Bollix, lies, nonsense, waffle, garbage, fantasy, take your pick of any synonym you wish.



The link I posted says this exactly;

However, they discovered that 222 of those convicted, or 84 per cent, were men of Asian origin. Only 22 were black and 18 were white with two offenders not having an identified ethnicity. The findings are in stark contrast to the fact Asians make up only seven per cent of the UK population, the report said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

Now I won't be responding to you any further until you be an adult and admit you completely made up the below and give your explanation as to why you did so;

I explained your mistake in the above post. See link posted by others for 100% comment.

PlaneSpeeking

Midlife wrote: »

Fine. Have it your way.

Your link only relates to 'grooming gangs'. Snake Pllisken said 'all child grooming cases'.

So he's stateing that of the child grooming cases in the UK, 84% were carried out by British Asians which is simply not not true. It's not. Read the actual article please.

The truth is that 84% of the people who groomed children with others were British Asian - which is totally messed up. No denying. But we're talking pedophilia here, they're all messed up.

Surely the question should be 'are British Asians more likely to abuse children?'

The same article you just quoted to me says that a 2012 report from the The National Crime Agency’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command (CEOP) found that 85% of child sex abusers were white. WHITE!!!

In 2011, the Last British census, 86% of the population were white. So instances of child abuse are fairly evenly spread and that's before you get to questions of under-reporting in particular communities.

It also says that 100% of the people convicted of pedophile rings were white, as I mentioned earlier.

If I was being really nitpicky, I'd say you also said 2% in your original statement but Muslims make up about 5%.

My question for you again is where does Islam fit into this? I've just explained how a white British person is just as likely to abuse a child as a British Asian. There's no mention of religion.

Yes, Asian immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh generally tend to follow Scientology and the Seventh Day Aventists.

Every now and again the mammy's saying is needed "there's none so blind as them that will not see"

Oh and I said "grooming gangs" , I provided links to same. I do not interfere with other posters providing links.

Roger Hassenforder

Hector Savage wrote: »

What about that Cork case ?
I really hope it's not true, this is the thin edge of the wedge if they start submitting to Islamofascism ...

Local knowledge in the "trade"

The_Kew_Tour

Rory28 wrote: »

Would you like to highlight the benefits Islam could bring to Ireland?

This question was first asked at end of last year from what I saw and I have asked this question myself (least 10 times) and it's been asked on dozens of occasions on this and other threads.

It has never been answered.

Think that says it all.

PlaneSpeeking

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Local knowledge in the "trade"

I'd say the school really don't want that c**p getting publicity.

inforfun

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You are kidding ??? Oh dear Lord! They really have lost the plot now.

Nope, not kidding unfortunately.
She only lasted for 20 months as a minister not in the last place because of those kind of clangers in interviews.

SnakePlissken

Midlife wrote: »

The truth is that 84% of the people who groomed children with others were British Asian - which is totally messed up. No denying.

Midlife wrote: »

Muslims make up about 5%.

The above two statements directly contradict the third below;

Midlife wrote: »

I've just explained how a white British person is just as likely to abuse a child as a British Asian.

Midlife wrote: »

and 100% of pedophile rings are white.

so no Australians or Canadians either?

You claimed, 100% of all pedophile rings as being white, by mentioning Australians and Canadians inferring this statement also included rings in those two nations. This is an obvious fabrication and you have failed to provide any shred of evidence to back this up, the one link you did post related only to the UK and clearly stated;

However, researchers said their data’s sample size had been too small and more research needed to be conducted.

Omackeral

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

This question was first asked at end of last year from what I saw and I have asked this question myself (least 10 times) and it's been asked on dozens of occasions on this and other threads.

It has never been answered.

Think that says it all.

I was told by someone that I didn't want the answer. I do. I still do. Oh Captain my Captain.

PlaneSpeeking

Omackeral wrote: »

I was told by someone that I didn't want the answer. I do. I still do. Oh Captain my Captain.

Psst, stand on the desk for effect!!!

Captain Obvious

Omackeral wrote: »

I was told by someone that I didn't want the answer. I do. I still do. Oh Captain my Captain.

Different thread mac. And I did give you answers. Try to keep up.

Omackeral

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Different thread mac. And I did give you answers. Try to keep up.

Must have missed them, don't remember anything concrete. Could you go again by any chance if it's not too much hassle? Just a simple list will do.

*salutes*

Roger Hassenforder

Omackeral wrote: »

Must have missed them, don't remember anything concrete. Could you go again by any chance if it's not too much hassle? Just a simple list will do.

*salutes*

A list?

Ah heor...

Omackeral

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

A list?

Ah heor...

A couple of bullet points maybe?

Midlife

SnakePlissken wrote: »

The above two statements directly contradict the third below;





You claimed, 100% of all pedophile rings as being white, by mentioning Australians and Canadians inferring this statement also included rings in those two nations. This is an obvious fabrication and you have failed to provide any shred of evidence to back this up, the one link you did post related only to the UK and clearly stated;

However, researchers said their data’s sample size had been too small and more research needed to be conducted.

To be honest. I've stated my case.

If you want to get into a tit for tat, I'm sure someone else will oblige.

Having spent a morning in here wasting my time (well hopefully not, maybe someone will actually approach things with an open mind), I think I can see what this thread is. That is basically a echo-chamber/dumping ground for any negative story that involves someone who looks like a muslim.

When you delve into the specifics, you find that the facts are mis-represented and loose anti-Islamic sentiment is liberally thrown around. So very quickly we have postings claiming that about 6/7 of child grooming in the UK is done by Muslims.

This is patently untrue. It's a distortion of a fact that British-Pakistani communities seemingly have a disturbing problem where their child groomers hunt in packs. It says nothing about people who do it alone, and says nothing about other forms of child abuse. I believe that you read that headline and literally thought that '84% of child abusers in the UK are Muslim', which is such a dangerous thing to throw around.

The truth, which has been mentioned, is that 85% of child abuse cases in the UK were perpetrated by white people.

Anyway, as mentioned, we're talking pedophiles here so while British-Pakistani grooming gangs would represent an obvious demographic or cultural problem, which is is important to address. Pedophiles. You pounce, and extrapolate it to be about all Muslims. That's 25% of the world. Are indigenous Indonesians, Malaysians and the 30 or 40 million Chinese Muslim population all more likely to be sex abusers too?

I don't think so. Similarly, if I convert to Islam, am I suddenly more likely to engage in child abuse?

There's very suspect rationale displayed in this thread, which I suspect is about skin-colour and country of origin rather than religion(as I seem to be the only one questioning the religion bit).

I'm would argue that if Catholicism did not exist in Ireland, I could state just as strong a case(as I have read in here to date) on how it is not 'right' for our liberal democratic values. You should think about that in detail rather than just grabbing and quoting anti-Islamic/middle-east headlines.

Midlife

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

This question was first asked at end of last year from what I saw and I have asked this question myself (least 10 times) and it's been asked on dozens of occasions on this and other threads.

It has never been answered.

Think that says it all.

Why is it inherent on Islam to bring benefits. Can the people not be beneficial?

If you hear of an Italian coming to the country, do you think 'great, a Catholic because .....'

What about Hindus? Are they OK?