Is Islam right for Ireland?

The Old Guy

I will never understand why liberals are so determined to defend the most backward, homophobic, misogynistic religion going.

Shouldn't it be us conservative right wingers praising Islam as a model for the rest of us?

2 Scoops

eeguy wrote: »

I'm sure people from Roscommon would give you a similar answer
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/it-s-not-easy-being-a-yes-roscommon-voter-1.2224140

This is a perfect example of the mental gymnastics at play here. They cannot accept the reality and cognitive dissonance. You try and equate the opposition to same sex marriage in a tiny place in Ireland to making homosexuality illegal and punishable by ( sharia ) law. Here I'll give you more to bite on, maybe some lads up in the hills in Louth share similar feelings. We can do this all night if you wish

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/survey-reveals-chasm-between-muslim-values-and-rest-of-uk-d30hl55lk

Only one in three British Muslims would tip off the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with terrorist sympathisers, a poll has revealed.
More than 100,000 British Muslims sympathise with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts, the survey suggests.

eeguy

The Old Guy wrote: »

I will never understand why liberals are so determined to defend the most backward, homophobic, misogynistic religion going.

Shouldn't it be us conservative right wingers praising Islam as a model for the rest of us?

I'm not defending Islam. I'm saying that people shouldn't be profiled by their religion, and seeing that Catholicism is far from clean we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Would you like to be denied entry into a country because youre Irish and Ireland is a Catholic country?

Also, the statistics from the Times were a poll of 1000 Muslims for a Channel 4 documentary. Would you base immigration policy on the results of such a poll?

The Old Guy

eeguy wrote: »

I'm not defending Islam. I'm saying that people shouldn't be profiled by their religion, and seeing that Catholicism is far from clean we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Would you like to be denied entry into a country because youre Irish and Ireland is a Catholic country?

Also, the statistics from the Times were a poll of 1000 Muslims for a Channel 4 documentary. Would you base immigration policy on the results of such a poll?

I am against illegal immigration so that would mean a lot less muslims coming into Europe. I don't like Islam, the would would be a better place without it.

It has and will cause social problems in Europe (look at Sweden) and no amount of liberal utopian thinking will change that.

2 Scoops

eeguy wrote: »

I'm not defending Islam. I'm saying that people shouldn't be profiled by their religion, and seeing that Catholicism is far from clean we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Would you like to be denied entry into a country because youre Irish and Ireland is a Catholic country?

Also, the statistics from the Times were a poll of 1000 Muslims for a Channel 4 documentary. Would you base immigration policy on the results of such a poll?

It's standard polling procedure.

To the bold part, I agree on that point you're making and I've never suggested that everyone be denied entry to a country purely based on their religious beliefs.

My point is that there's a pattern of serious problems across Europe that has occurred due to large scale immigration from predominately Muslim majority countries, if people would simply admit that then the conversation could more forward onto a discussion of how to let good people who want to integrate into a new society in and keep the bad ones out.

The conversation has never gotten that far, there's people who outright refuse to admit the problems in Europe that have occurred so occasionally I feel the need to point some of them out.

BoJack Horseman

The Old Guy wrote: »

I will never understand why liberals

You don't understand what a liberal is.

No real liberal person supports Islam.

The Old Guy

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

You don't understand what a liberal is.

No real liberal person supports Islam.

Indeed. Perhaps 'western liberal' is the better term. Closeted, sheltered people who don't realise how lucky they are to live in the west. They should talk to ex-muslims.

Odhinn

2 Scoops wrote: »

They wouldn't sleep under your bed anyway, half of them in the UK think homosexuality should be illegal

I'm gay now?

2 Scoops

Odhinn wrote: »

I'm gay now?

Yup, that's precisely the point I was making. * slowly claps *

Mutant z

Look at immigration patterns for a start that tells you all you need to know .The bizarre thing is muslims want to get the hell out of their own countries only to impose their own religious ideology onto indigenous Europeans which makes no sense at all. Why did they leave Islamic majority countries in the first place if they love Islam so much.

wexie

Mutant z wrote: »

Look at immigration patterns for a start that tells you all you need to know .The bizarre thing is muslims want to get the hell out of their own countries only to impose their own religious ideology onto indigenous Europeans which makes no sense at all. Why did they leave Islamic majority countries in the first place if they love Islam so much.

geeez that's a good question and I'm not sure I can you a proper answer but at a guess I'm going to say it's something to do with the lower odds of getting shot and or bombed in the west.

If not that perhaps something to do with being able to feed themselves and/or their families.

Mutant z

Can the left give a list of the positives that Islam brings to western Europe they are the ones who want them all to come here so they should give a list of any positive things that Islam brings I'll be waiting for their answers.

Auguste Comte

Mutant z wrote: »

The bizarre thing is muslims want to get the hell out of their own countries

That probably has something to do with "their ' countries being bombed and invaded by outsiders. I'd say that Muslims have a lot more to fear from non Muslims than the other way round.

I wonder how the body count would pan out. Muslims killed by non Muslims or non Muslims killed by Muslims, say in this century?

The Old Guy

Auguste Comte wrote: »

That probably has something to do with "their ' countries being bombed and invaded by outsiders. I'd say that Muslims have a lot more to fear from non Muslims than the other way round.

I wonder how the body count would pan out. Muslims killed by non Muslims or non Muslims killed by Muslims, say in this century?

The standard line trotted out by guilt ridden westerners Tell me, what did the Swedes do to deserve their truck attack? They worship muslims in Sweden.

Mutant z

The Old Guy wrote: »

I will never understand why liberals are so determined to defend the most backward, homophobic, misogynistic religion going.

Shouldn't it be us conservative right wingers praising Islam as a model for the rest of us?

The majority of those who practice it happen to be non white so hence must never be criticised in the leftists world the racism of low expectations for want of a better word.

Auguste Comte

The Old Guy wrote: »

The standard line trotted out by guilt ridden westerners Tell me, what did the Swedes do to deserve their truck attack? They worship muslims in Sweden.

What about the numbers?

Odhinn

2 Scoops wrote: »

Yup, that's precisely the point I was making. * slowly claps *

They wouldn't sleep under your bed anyway, half of them in the UK think homosexuality should be illegal

So what point are you making?

Mutant z

If muslims want islam so much then its best they emigrate to a country that best suits that view Ireland is traditionally a non Islamic country and i want it to remain that way.

weldoninhio

eeguy wrote: »

I have a perfectly well developed conscience that doesn't like to see images of children washed up on beaches because of close minded attitudes like yours.

You mean children that already have a perfectly safe life in Turkey, who’s father had a job and they had an apartment rent free, and tried to get to the U.K. only because of the fathers vanity?? How did mine or anyone else’s attitude contribute to that??

Odhinn

Mutant z wrote: »

If muslims want islam so much then its best they emigrate to a country that best suits that view Ireland is traditionally a non Islamic country and i want it to remain that way.

....using real world examples in the irish state, please back up your notion.

Mutant z

Auguste Comte wrote: »

Mutant z wrote: »

The bizarre thing is muslims want to get the hell out of their own countries

That probably has something to do with "their ' countries being bombed and invaded by outsiders. I'd say that Muslims have a lot more to fear from non Muslims than the other way round.

I wonder how the body count would pan out. Muslims killed by non Muslims or non Muslims killed by Muslims, say in this century?

Oh Sweden has done nothing but show them affection and look at the thanks they got the problem is Islam itself.

RustyNut

The Old Guy wrote: »

Tell me, what did the Swedes do to deserve their truck attack? .

What did the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi muslims do to deserve being killed by non muslims?

Am I doing this right?

Mutant z

Odhinn wrote: »

Mutant z wrote: »

If muslims want islam so much then its best they emigrate to a country that best suits that view Ireland is traditionally a non Islamic country and i want it to remain that way.

....using real world examples in the irish state, please back up your notion.

The notion that Ireland is historically a non Islamic country well that's obvious to everyone but the willfully blind and stupid.

The Old Guy

RustyNut wrote: »

What did the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi muslims do to deserve being killed by non muslims?

Am I doing this right?

Sweden, the 'humanitarian superpower' bends over backwards for Islamic migrants and they still got a truck attack and other serious social problems. You'll forgive me for not being too optimistic about Islamic migration.

You'll also forgive for not having the idiotic western liberal notion that we 'owe' the third world.

Odhinn

weldoninhio wrote: »

You mean children that already have a perfectly safe life in Turkey, who’s father had a job and they had an apartment rent free, and tried to get to the U.K. only because of the fathers vanity?? How did mine or anyone else’s attitude contribute to that??

He was Kurdish. Then as now, its not the best state for a Kurd to stay in.

weldoninhio

Odhinn wrote: »

He was Kurdish. Then as now, its not the best state for a Kurd to stay in.

He was safe, going to school, his father was working away as a waiter and they didn’t have any rent worries. Spout any nonsense you like. He was safe until his fathers vanity took over.

Odhinn

Mutant z wrote: »

The notion that Ireland is historically a non Islamic country

True.

Mutant z wrote: »

well that's obvious to everyone but the willfully blind and stupid.

Well,

If muslims want islam so much then its best they emigrate to a country that best suits that view Ireland is traditionally a non Islamic country and i want it to remain that way.

...you seem to be under the notion that muslims arriving here will change that. My question is "how?"

The Old Guy

Mutant z wrote: »

The notion that Ireland is historically a non Islamic country well that's obvious to everyone but the willfully blind and stupid.

Bigot. Don't you know that Islamic craftsmen helped construct Newgrange?

And this thing about Islam being a homophobic religion? How can that be true when it is recorded in the Koran that Muhammad enjoyed relationships with several young male lovers?

miocicmma

For me all religions are equally ridiculous, so whether it's a Christian or a Muslim, in a Church of Mosque, praying to God or Allah it doesn't make any difference.

weldoninhio

miocicmma wrote: »

For me all religions are equally ridiculous, so whether it's a Christian or a Muslim, in a Church of Mosque, praying to God or Allah it does make any difference.

Islam is a lot more than just a religion.

Mutant z

Odhinn wrote: »

Mutant z wrote: »

The notion that Ireland is historically a non Islamic country

True.

Mutant z wrote: »

well that's obvious to everyone but the willfully blind and stupid.

Well,

If muslims want islam so much then its best they emigrate to a country that best suits that view Ireland is traditionally a non Islamic country and i want it to remain that way.

...you seem to be under the notion that muslims arriving here will change that. My question is "how?"

By forcing Islamic customs on an unwilling Irish population its already happening with the likes of Ali Salim dictating to schools what their dress codes should be it starts of small but keeps getting bigger and bigger and before you know it you're under their spell.

miocicmma

weldoninhio wrote: »

Islam is a lot more than just a religion.

No, It's a religion which has allot more similarities to Christianity than the media would have you believe. They are in the same family of Abrahamic religions.

Odhinn

Mutant z wrote: »

By forcing Islamic customs on an unwilling Irish population

Unless he has powers unbeknownst to the rest of us, he has some serious work ahead.

Mutant z wrote: »

its already happening with the likes of Ali Salim dictating to schools what their dress codes should be it starts of small but keeps getting bigger and bigger and before you know it you're under their spell.

He suggested that schools might allow their muslim pupils to wear the headscarf etc. Your problem with that is.....?

Franz Von Peppercorn

miocicmma wrote: »

For me all religions are equally ridiculous, so whether it's a Christian or a Muslim, in a Church of Mosque, praying to God or Allah it doesn't make any difference.

Edgy.

RustyNut

Mutant z wrote: »

By forcing Islamic customs on an unwilling Irish population its already happening with the likes of Ali Salim dictating to schools what their dress codes should be it starts of small but keeps getting bigger and bigger and before you know it you're under their spell.

What school did he "dictate"to? Or are you just making thing up?

wexie

Odhinn wrote: »

Unless he has powers unbeknownst to the rest of us, he has some serious work ahead.

Can't wait to see how things will go when he suggests we should give up bacon and sausages....

Or pints

The_Kew_Tour

Why will Ireland be different?

What makes us better then France Germany or Sweden?

Danzy

TheManTheMyth wrote: »

There have been countless stories of Muslim immigrants degrading women and gay people all across Europe and generally not integrating into the countries that they have moved to, personally i was very pro migrant about a year (maybe a year and a half) ago but have completely 180'd on the topic and now have a serious feeling of discomfort when i think about Islam spreading to Ireland. Am i the only person who feels like we have enough problems without adding this new religion into the mix? the idea that governments want to change the views of their own people rather than address the source of the issue (in my eyes Islam and the less liberal nations from which these groups originate)scares me because it sends us back to the times of keeping everything silent, it will only lead to another catholic church situation where eventually their atrocities all come to light at once.

Islam has been a disaster for the Arabic world, why would it be any different in the rain.

no.8

Auguste Comte wrote:

That probably has something to do with "their ' countries being bombed and invaded by outsiders. I'd say that Muslims have a lot more to fear from non Muslims than the other way round.

Auguste Comte wrote:

I wonder how the body count would pan out. Muslims killed by non Muslims or non Muslims killed by Muslims, say in this century?

Laughable. You obviously have not lived in areas which are Muslim dominated.

Danzy

miocicmma wrote: »

No, It's a religion which has allot more similarities to Christianity than the media would have you believe. They are in the same family of Abrahamic religions.

Dark ages Christianity,yes.

There are unique problems to Islam,it being seen as the final word, unalterable and created byva man who fought countless battles, lived by robbing,has sex slaves tortured people.

no.8

The Old Guy wrote:

I am against illegal immigration so that would mean a lot less muslims coming into Europe. I don't like Islam, the would would be a better place without it.

The Old Guy wrote:

It has and will cause social problems in Europe (look at Sweden) and no amount of liberal utopian thinking will change that.

Well put. I for one completely agree with you

Danzy

Mutant z wrote: »

Can the left give a list of the positives that Islam brings to western Europe they are the ones who want them all to come here so they should give a list of any positive things that Islam brings I'll be waiting for their answers.

For a segment of the modern left their often tough stance on Jews and their opposition to Western values are enough.

Ironically enough that opposition includes most progressive values as well.

Auguste Comte

no.8 wrote: »

Laughable. You obviously have not lived in areas which are Muslim dominated.

Any facts to dispute what I posted or just meaningless rhetoric?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Danzy wrote: »

For a segment of the modern left his tough they are on Jews and their opposition to Western values.

Can’t make head nor tale of that.

enricoh

It must be right for Ireland if our officials are to be believed. I was in the coombe hospital a month ago and there were signs on the notice board in Islamic.
I would have thought there would be 10 times more people who could read Russian or polish in Ireland than Islamic yet they weren't catered for strangely enough.

Captain Obvious

enricoh wrote: »

It must be right for Ireland if our officials are to be believed. I was in the coombe hospital a month ago and there were signs on the notice board in Islamic.
I would have thought there would be 10 times more people who could read Russian or polish in Ireland than Islamic yet they weren't catered for strangely enough.

I was in the Coombe last week and I didn't see any Islamic writing. I'll be there again next week. Where did you see it exactly? I'll take a look.

wexie

enricoh wrote: »

there were signs on the notice board in Islamic.

Danzy

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Can’t make head nor tale of that.

I see what you mean.

wexie

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I was in the Coombe last week and I didn't see any Islamic writing. I'll be there again next week. Where did you see it exactly? I'll take a look.

and what would Islamic writing look like? :rolleyes:

RustyNut

enricoh wrote: »

It must be right for Ireland if our officials are to be believed. I was in the coombe hospital a month ago and there were signs on the notice board in Islamic.
I would have thought there would be 10 times more people who could read Russian or polish in Ireland than Islamic yet they weren't catered for strangely enough.

Islamic, is that a real language, I don't think so.