Giving Landlords Criminal Convictions

Samuel T. Cogley

beefburrito wrote: »

It's to line the pockets of these loosers

Not sure how they're loosers (sic) if they're lining their pockets.

Graces7

Clementine Handsome Seaport wrote: »

Landlords provide a service and majority at Market Value.

Tenant has a choice and a good tenant will have no problem picking
up a good property

Have a look on daft sometime? Oh of course as a pension on rent allowance?


its the bad tenants that make it hard and government interference.
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Some how this idea that has got out there that a Landlord should rent there property for free is completely delusional on part of the tenant as you will
find nothing is free in Life.....and for whatever a Landlord has for renting out there private accomodation is entirely up to them no one's elses' as the word
"PRIVATE" explains all GOT IT.

Thank heavens for "government "getting involved .

Graces7

DubCount wrote: »

Convicting corrupt landlords - of course. Giving

Landlords are not creaming money. I recently did a post called "Landlord Maths" just to show how hard it is to make money as a small private landlord.
The most significant cause of sky-rocketing rents is the treatment of non-paying and overholding tenants. Honest tenants are paying through the nose (assuming they can even find a place) because of all the landlords driven out of the market by the scam artists. It comes down to responsibility for social housing. The government (central and local) dont want responsibility for social housing - so they are happy to see someone in private rental accommodation whether they are paying the landlord or not. The problem is its getting harder to find enough fools to become landlords with the current rules of engagement. That means the fools (landlords) who are left cant house everyone who needs a home. Eventually, the government will have to supply housing directly for social housing purposes - or change the rules to get more landlords to do it for them.

No-one is driving you out. Just the level of sensible rules does please. So you leave of your own free will.

l5auim2pjnt8qx

Graces7 wrote: »

Thank heavens for "government "getting involved .

We got a Live one.

I see you'll be another one joining the ranks for free Green Houses in the coming
years !! A little reminder they are quite cold in the winter and abit too hot in the summer....we''ll see your appraise for government then shall we if they aren't
already booted out by then.:)

beefburrito

DubCount wrote: »

Convicting corrupt landlords - of course. Giving a criminal conviction to a landlord who is found to have made a genuine mistake with issuing a notice of rental increase - thats nuts. Putting administrative errors in the same category as packing 60 people into a 3 bedroom semi is wrong and counterproductive.

Landlords are not creaming money. I recently did a post called "Landlord Maths" just to show how hard it is to make money as a small private landlord.

The most significant cause of sky-rocketing rents is the treatment of non-paying and overholding tenants. Honest tenants are paying through the nose (assuming they can even find a place) because of all the landlords driven out of the market by the scam artists. It comes down to responsibility for social housing. The government (central and local) dont want responsibility for social housing - so they are happy to see someone in private rental accommodation whether they are paying the landlord or not. The problem is its getting harder to find enough fools to become landlords with the current rules of engagement. That means the fools (landlords) who are left cant house everyone who needs a home. Eventually, the government will have to supply housing directly for social housing purposes - or change the rules to get more landlortds to do it for them.

No the reason rents are rising is to compensate for the loss to the banks and the house buyers in the 00's to pay their mortgages and have a few quid for holidays,fishing gear,diesel,eating out,golf club's,oaklys, d&g sunglasses etc

beefburrito

beefburrito wrote: »

No the reason rents are rising is to compensate for the loss to the banks and the house buyers in the 00's to pay their mortgages and have a few quid for holidays,fishing gear,diesel,eating out,golf club's,oaklys, d&g sunglasses etc

And a weekly trip to brown Thomas

l5auim2pjnt8qx

beefburrito wrote: »

No the reason rents are rising is to compensate for the loss to the banks and the house buyers in the 00's to pay their mortgages and have a few quid for holidays,fishing gear,diesel,eating out,golf club's,oaklys, d&g sunglasses etc

The reason anything rises in a rising market "INFLATION" and you make the
assumption that everyone person that rents a property bought in the 2000s
and we all somehow lived in huts or tress before the year 2000?

And the sunglasses are you sure then were D&G sunglasses as these give Irish people bad rashes.OUCH!

Brown Thomas only on Sales day to avoid confusion!

beefburrito

Clementine Handsome Seaport wrote: »

The reason anything rises in a rising market "INFLATION" and you make the
assumption that everyone person that rents a property bought in the 2000s
and we all somehow lived in huts or tress before the year 2000?

And the sunglasses are you sure then were D&G sunglasses as these give Irish people bad rashes.OUCH!

Brown Thomas only on Sales day to avoid confusion!

Well there's a big difference between a landlord and a wannabe landlord's...

Old money landlords who have the house paid for are usually reasonable with the rent.

It's these working class and midatlantic in debt up to their eyeballs landlords who are the problem.

They expect Joe Soap to clean up their mess.
Most of these wannabe landlords haven't a clue how to manage money and didn't even consult an actuary before they decided to fantasise about their Gucci smoking jacket and art collection....

housetypeb

beefburrito wrote: »

No the reason rents are rising is to compensate for the loss to the banks and the house buyers in the 00's to pay their mortgages and have a few quid for holidays,fishing gear,diesel,eating out,golf club's,oaklys, d&g sunglasses etc

Being a landlord is a business,not a charity.
Every business seeks to maximize profit and charge what the market can bear,more so when their product is scarce and in high demand.
The reason rents are rising is quite simple, lack of supply.

l5auim2pjnt8qx

beefburrito wrote: »

Well there's a big difference between a landlord and a wannabe landlord's...

Old money landlords who have the house paid for are usually reasonable with the rent.

It's these working class and midatlantic in debt up to their eyeballs landlords who are the problem.

They expect Joe Soap to clean up their mess.
Most of these wannabe landlords haven't a clue how to manage money and didn't even consult an actuary before they decided to fantasise about their Gucci smoking jacket and art collection....

To avoid confusion Landlords own property, wannabe's Landlords don't own property and daydream about said.

And for the record Gucci smoking jackets are way to OO's and very hot and Landlords are now incognito when entering Art galleries and tend to keep there
gold crusted dentures closed to avoid distraction.

beefburrito

Clementine Handsome Seaport wrote: »

To avoid confusion Landlords own property, wannabe's Landlords don't own property and daydream about said.

And for the record Gucci smoking jackets are way to OO's and very hot and Landlords are now incognito when entering Art galleries and tend to keep there
gold crusted dentures closed to avoid distraction.

Exactly a land lord owns the property, these wannabe landlords can't afford the property they bought in the first place.

I know a few 00's landlord's now, and they're a shell of what they were.

Still wearing the tweaty bird or Tasmanian devil tatoo, driving the 03 SUV and trolling dating websites looking for lurvveeee....

Telpus

While the real landlords are humble bragging like myself lol

l5auim2pjnt8qx

Graces7 wrote: »

?????? Cannot find but greenhouses!

And I already live in a demountable dwelling,owned by the council. so nothing fazes me. A roof, a bed, is all I seek .. after renting privately for about 12 years and experiencing the changes this last while and almost having to sleep in my car, aged nearly 80 years
No political affiliation; just SOMEONE needs to be in charge and control of the situation so we can have a home
And never have I nor ever would default on rent .

Many rentals have i had...many landlords who needed ... Ok enough!

So let me get his correctly , your 79 yrs old ,rented private accomodation of 12 years nearly lived on wheels ,and is now living in a Council Flat most likely subsidized by the Tax Payer ,and now you are complaining about Private Landlords who partly fund that tax are charging too much and would like to see jailed.

FYI : Government will spend €3bn on rent subsidies over next five years dated 2017

If Vulture Funds get a bigger foothold in the cities it won't be long before Councils will outsource the rental accomodation to private firms who do you think will be in control then?

Graces7

Clementine Handsome Seaport wrote: »

So let me get his correctly , your 79 yrs old ,rented private accomodation of 12 years nearly lived on wheels ,and is now living in a Council Flat most likely subsidized by the Tax Payer ,and now you are complaining about Private Landlords who partly fund that tax are charging too much and would like to see jailed.

FYI : Government will spend €3bn on rent subsidies over next five years dated 2017

If Vulture Funds get a bigger foothold in the cities it won't be long before Councils will outsource the rental accomodation to private firms who do you think will be in control then?

I hardly understand a word of your post.
And you have misread my post totally in your zeal to discredit and attack .
But I do not want anyone jailed; and they will not be if they do not break the rules and law. If they do then rightly convicted,
We all know how great a power landlords used t have all through Irish history and it is high time their wings were clipped. Bravo govt!
Sure rents are subsdised for those in need. IRELAND IS A WELFARE STATE and that is what that means.. Nothing to get worked up about! Like pensions and medical cards. Bus passes and railway cards..

l5auim2pjnt8qx

Graces7 wrote: »

I hardly understand a word of your post.
And you have misread my post totally in your zeal to discredit and attack .
But I do not want anyone jailed; and they will not be if they do not break the rules and law. If they do then rightly convicted,
We all know how great a power landlords used t have all through Irish history and it is high time their wings were clipped. Bravo govt!
Sure rents are subsdised for those in need. IRELAND IS A WELFARE STATE and that is what that means.. Nothing to get worked up about! Like pensions and medical cards. Bus passes and railway cards..

I think you might be getting confused with The Plantations of 1609 when we where invaded and the Cromwell and his armies Landlorded ,

Times have changed people in Ireland not only eat spuds but many other varieties of Junk but the governments of today are filled with many nasty men
& women now and jail people for not handing over enough money to keep them living as Kings & Queens.....so no Bravo

Ireland 2018 is no longer a Welfare State...:eek:

"Why am I even entertaining this" Popcorn moment.

VonBeanie

Graces7 wrote: »

IRELAND IS A WELFARE STATE

The welfare state is a transfer of money from those with income and assets (Taxes) to those in need (welfare recipients). There isn't a tooth fairy. Welfare benefits need to be paid for by tax payers. Tax payers are not just "rich people". You cant provide a bottomless pit of benefits by getting more tax out of rich people. Ordinary hard working people have to pay for the welfare state. You can provide free accommodation to everyone in the country - but expect a tax rate to match.

I hear cries of "cant someone else pay" - but they cant - nothing is free (except opinion !!)

Kk333

GGTrek wrote: »

I see some posters here completely out of their mind in their socialist ideas. The comparison with other businesses does not hold! Most businesses are not price regulated and especially are never forced to continue to provide services if not paid!!! Irish govvie is going the socialist way.

I suggest the socialists and communists in this forum (I can see their bankrupt ideas popping out very frequently even in this thread) to read the wonderful ideas of the Venezuelan corrupt government and their massive failure.

Wonderful 2011 propaganda from communist media: https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6588

2014 desperation setting in and generalised expropriations by law: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594170/Venezuelan-president-orders-landlords-sell-homes-60-days-face-fine-24-000-wild-bid-plug-housing-shortage.html

Venezuelan government does jail people because they are not selling stuff at the price decided by the communist dictator! What has this caused: massive scarcity of absolutely everything! People are now starving (never mind housing)!

Again jailing people based on price controls violations appears to violate several constitutional rights. I wonder what kind of legal advisors the amateur minister of housing is using when drafting legislation. Of couse the communists and socialists liberticides live to jail/kill people for any breach of the rules the make up for their own benefit, that is why I despise them profoundly and I take real pride if I pi.. them off.

The go to response for socialist policy is "look at venuzuala". Could you give a second example? I can give plenty where capitalism has failed people miserably. If you take a chance and go with social welfare programs you ll have to deal with it if it goes belly up for you. Problem i see is we have way to many unprofessional landlords ie just paying the mortgage off. If you havnt got the capital behind you, you have no business being in the landlord game.

handlemaster

beefburrito wrote: »

DubCount wrote: »

Convicting corrupt landlords - of course. Giving a criminal conviction to a landlord who is found to have made a genuine mistake with issuing a notice of rental increase - thats nuts. Putting administrative errors in the same category as packing 60 people into a 3 bedroom semi is wrong and counterproductive.

Landlords are not creaming money. I recently did a post called "Landlord Maths" just to show how hard it is to make money as a small private landlord.

The most significant cause of sky-rocketing rents is the treatment of non-paying and overholding tenants. Honest tenants are paying through the nose (assuming they can even find a place) because of all the landlords driven out of the market by the scam artists. It comes down to responsibility for social housing. The government (central and local) dont want responsibility for social housing - so they are happy to see someone in private rental accommodation whether they are paying the landlord or not. The problem is its getting harder to find enough fools to become landlords with the current rules of engagement. That means the fools (landlords) who are left cant house everyone who needs a home. Eventually, the government will have to supply housing directly for social housing purposes - or change the rules to get more landlortds to do it for them.

No the reason rents are rising is to compensate for the loss to the banks and the house buyers in the 00's to pay their mortgages and have a few quid for holidays,fishing gear,diesel,eating out,golf club's,oaklys, d&g sunglasses etc

Thats right. Dont forget they bought the property for nothing. You have it good now. Prices are alot cheaper ..interest rates rock bottom for a number of years. . Its so easy why arent you doing ir yourself ?

4ensic15

Clementine Handsome Seaport wrote: »

I think you might be getting confused with The Plantations of 1609 when we where invaded and the Cromwell and his armies Landlorded ,

Times have changed people in Ireland not only eat spuds but many other varieties of Junk but the governments of today are filled with many nasty men
& women now and jail people for not handing over enough money to keep them living as Kings & Queens.....so no Bravo

Ireland 2018 is no longer a Welfare State...:eek:

"Why am I even entertaining this" Popcorn moment.

Cromwell didn't come for a long time after 1609. He was only born in 1599!

Spanish Eyes

These Government actions re LLs are nothing more than discouraging amateurs. They want everything let either by the Council or by REITS.

That said, they should encourage so called amateur LLs to let to REITS or the Council who will take over everything, vetting, letting, maintenance and so on, sublet to tenants and pay the LL whatever. Trouble free surely?

Is that what is behind all this bashing of LLs I wonder? Might be a good move if you think about it. As a so called one off reluctant LL or such.

l5auim2pjnt8qx

4ensic15 wrote: »

Cromwell didn't come for a long time after 1609. He was only born in 1599!

He must of been on Holliers in Ireland aged 10 ,the little sh*t wanted Ireland at the time

Ah Well !! lucky for him he's brown bread now LOL.

The_Conductor

Graces7 wrote: »

IRELAND IS A WELFARE STATE and that is what that means.. Nothing to get worked up about! Like pensions and medical cards. Bus passes and railway cards..

Grace- when you insist on personalising your posts- people are going to call you out on it- and legitimately- when you insist on putting your personal situation on a pedestal for people to comment on.

There is no such thing as a free lunch- someone always has to pay- and people would be well advised to consider this very thought.

The workers of today- are not going to have a smidgeon of the 'entitlements' that you are drawing down- and rubbing their noses in it- is going to get heckles up.

Just look at whats happening for the workers of today- the age at which pension rights vest- is increasing- it will probably reach 70 by the early 2030s. The compulsory age of retirement has been abolished in the public sector- which is 400,000 of the 2.2 million workforce. Pension contributions for all- have doubled since 2006- and are going to increase- hand-in-hand with a fall in 'entitlements' and an increase in the age at which you receive retirement assistance.

The pensioners of today- are receiving assistance that will look quaint and remarkable- possibly in a little as 20 years time- to new generations of elderly who are not going to receive the assistance that you imagine is an entitlement- because you live in a 'welfare state'............

I'm not trying to annoy you- have a look at NERI projections and the simple fact that is the aging population in Ireland- and how the 'rights' of todays pensioners are being paid for by the workers of today- who are going to get very little assistance in their old age- tomorrow..............

How you've managed to shoehorn a defence of your 'rights' as a pensioner- into a thread discussing criminal convictions for landlords- I'm not sure- however- when you insist on making discussions about you- and your situation- you have to accept- people are going to call you to account on your wide sweeping statements.

The_Conductor

Clementine Handsome Seaport wrote: »

He must of been on Holliers in Ireland aged 10 ,the little sh*t wanted Ireland at the time

Ah Well !! lucky for him he's brown bread now LOL.

Careful now.........

the_syco

Graces7 wrote: »

We all know how great a power landlords used t have all through Irish history and it is high time their wings were clipped. Bravo govt!

How long ago was that? 100 years ago?

Graces7 wrote: »

Sure rents are subsdised for those in need.

And those who dislike work. These people will generally cause havoc and not care about failing to pay rent, as they've nothing to lose.

Fol20

beefburrito wrote: »

About time corrupt landlords were convicted...

Creaming money from people to pay off their debts from their sheer hunger and greed during the last boom.

Any one should realise that's why rent has sky rocketed...

It's to line the pockets of these loosers

You clearly have rented yourself and are giving your very biased view of things. I wish we went the way of Europeans where yes rents are more stable however at the same time wrong have to provide crappy furniture or microwaves, we can expense everything and tenants on average last a lot longer than a single year.yea landlords are laughing all the way to the bank until oh way, the tax man take half of it along with playing Russian roullette with your house until you get a tenant from hell

l5auim2pjnt8qx

Fol20 wrote: »

You clearly have rented yourself and are giving your very biased view of things. I wish we went the way of Europeans where yes rents are more stable however at the same time wrong have to provide crappy furniture or microwaves, we can expense everything and tenants on average last a lot longer than a single year.yea landlords are laughing all the way to the bank until oh way, the tax man take half of it along with playing Russian roullette with your house until you get a tenant from hell

Tenants from hell use to be few and far between until our Fundamental Minister
for housing started cloning them and encouraging them to treat the Landlords
apartment's and house's as some sort of Bouncy Castle...and then its "I wanted
a green sofa not a blue one" ..Ahhhh thrash the Place>

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

?????? Cannot find but greenhouses!

And I already live in a demountable dwelling,owned by the council. so nothing fazes me. A roof, a bed, is all I seek .. after renting privately for about 12 years and experiencing the changes this last while and almost having to sleep in my car, aged nearly 80 years
No political affiliation; just SOMEONE needs to be in charge and control of the situation so we can have a home
And never have I nor ever would default on rent .

Many rentals have i had...many landlords who needed ... Ok enough!

Why didn't you buy your own house after all the years rather than complain about LLs and the. rely on the state to house you, if you worked you should have been able to buy a house.

I don't know a single person of your age who doesn't own their own home (and most did it on a single income while also supporting a family). In fact I'd struggle to think of a person I know over 40 who doesn't own their own home.

beefburrito wrote: »

About time corrupt landlords were convicted...

Creaming money from people to pay off their debts from their sheer hunger and greed during the last boom.

Any one should realise that's why rent has sky rocketed...

It's to line the pockets of these loosers

Being a LL is a business and the aim isn't to make as much money as possible, why you think otherwise is bizarre.

It's no different to selling a car or runnng a shop, they do you nonfavours they try to make money and the sooner people like yourself realise this the better.

GGTrek

Kk333 wrote: »

The go to response for socialist policy is "look at venuzuala". Could you give a second example? I can give plenty where capitalism has failed people miserably. If you take a chance and go with social welfare programs you ll have to deal with it if it goes belly up for you. Problem i see is we have way to many unprofessional landlords ie just paying the mortgage off. If you havnt got the capital behind you, you have no business being in the landlord game.

Look at an another socialist country like Sweden then. They got rid of most private landlords with draconian laws like Smurphy and joker Coveney did (you seem to like these laws so much like a true socialist). In addition they have wonderful complicated planning laws where everyone has a say combined with lax immigration laws and high taxation. The result: a massive housing shortage! Worse than Ireland! Unbridleds socialists and communist policies have proved again and again that they cause shortages. You people just stubbornly refuse the basics of economics 101: price for ANY asset is determined by supply and demand! If you restrict prices or make supply difficult through regulation supply will collapse causing shortages and this is what these wonderful hipocrites have been causing! In addition the wonderful Irish govvie with your same socialist attitude (thinking that you can create wealth and prosperity by taxation and regulation!) decided to introduce during the recession years very strict building codes making the supply of the asset even more expensive to come by and the hipocrites are now backtracking!

l5auim2pjnt8qx

Graces7 wrote: »

?????? Cannot find but greenhouses!

And I already live in a demountable dwelling,owned by the council. so nothing fazes me. A roof, a bed, is all I seek .. after renting privately for about 12 years and experiencing the changes this last while and almost having to sleep in my car, aged nearly 80 years
No political affiliation; just SOMEONE needs to be in charge and control of the situation so we can have a home
And never have I nor ever would default on rent .

Many rentals have i had...many landlords who needed ... Ok enough!

You live in a Council property and now you say The Irish state doesn't house you?:rolleyes:

Graces7

The_Conductor wrote: »

There is no such thing as a free lunch- someone always has to pay- and people would be well advised to consider this very thought.


Which is what a welfare state is about


The workers of today- are not going to have a smidgeon of the 'entitlements' that you are drawing down- and rubbing their noses in it- is going to get heckles up.

Heckles? Why? What entitlements? Wrong word actually and a very revealing one indeed. As is "heckles".

Workus days?

Just look at whats happening for the workers of today- the age at which pension rights vest- is increasing- it will probably reach 70 by the early 2030s. The compulsory age of retirement has been abolished in the public sector- which is 400,000 of the 2.2 million workforce. Pension contributions for all- have doubled since 2006- and are going to increase- hand-in-hand with a fall in 'entitlements' and an increase in the age at which you receive retirement assistance.

The pensioners of today- are receiving assistance that will look quaint and remarkable- possibly in a little as 20 years time- to new generations of elderly who are not going to receive the assistance that you imagine is an entitlement- because you live in a 'welfare state'............
You need to differentiate between contributory and non-c pensions / So what do you envisage happening to old folk then in your nightmare scenario? And I do no think I ever used the word "entitlement" as it has been contaminated,
I'm not trying to annoy you- have a look at NERI projections and the simple fact that is the aging population in Ireland- and how the 'rights' of todays pensioners are being paid for by the workers of today- who are going to get very little assistance in their old age- tomorrow..............
How you've managed to shoehorn a defence of your 'rights' as a pensioner- into a thread discussing criminal convictions for landlords- I'm not sure- however- when you insist on making discussions about you- and your situation- you have to
accept- people are going to call you to account on your wide sweeping statements.

has been interesting to see reaction indeed. Certainly revealing of some real attitudes And yes it it all connected.
And I am heartily thankful to be out of private renting . It has been a nightmare.

BTW, I do not rely on the Irish state. I am a UK pensioner .... any extra benefits are EU sanctioned,

Over and out from me!

amcalester

Graces7 wrote: »

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has been interesting to see reaction indeed. Certainly revealing of some real attitudes And yes it it all connected.
And I am heartily thankful to be out of private renting . It has been a nightmare.

BTW, I do not rely on the Irish state. I am a UK pensioner .... any extra benefits are EU sanctioned,

Over and out from me!

You literally do, you can’t provide a roof over your head.

You are reliant on handouts from at least 2 states.