2018 World Championship

AllForIt

Couldn't care less about Willie being dropped. He kept saying 'leaving yourself options' a thousand times over and that was just in one frame. I don't understand why they let Clive Everton go, he was good. Not as insightful as a player who actually did it would be but I liked him as a commentator.

MuddyFields.

I'm thinking there could be more to it with Thorne than new blood

Surprised they're keeping Taylor them

Joe_ Public

AllForIt wrote: »

Couldn't care less about Willie being dropped. He kept saying 'leaving yourself options' a thousand times over and that was just in one frame. I don't understand why they let Clive Everton go, he was good. Not as insightful as a player who actually did it would be but I liked him as a commentator.

I hate hearing Clive doing that shootout rubbish on sky because I think it’s a gross insult to his greatness as a commentator. Must be pushing 80 now but still sharp as a tack.

Joe_ Public

MuddyFields. wrote: »

I'm thinking there could be more to it with Thorne than new blood

Surprised they're keeping Taylor them

Could be. With Virgo stood down from the UK, it would seem to suggestTaylor is the de facto No.1 and all but untouchable. He’ll be breathing down the snooker airwaves for a fair few years to come I would guess.

eric hoone

MuddyFields. wrote: »

I'm thinking there could be more to it with Thorne than new blood

Surprised they're keeping Taylor them

To be fair Willie's CV didn't stack up with the other commentators but I liked him better than most. Don't think the gambling problems he had helped his cause...

Brae100

Willie was caught twice saying the F word live. That's the main reason.

Joe_ Public

Brae100 wrote: »

Willie was caught twice saying the F word live. That's the main reason.

JV obviously did himself no favours in that department too

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Joe_ Public wrote: »

JV obviously did himself no favours in that department too

PC gone mad, as they say. In the meantime, on Eurosport we had Mike Hallet and Phil Studd (worst snooker commentator ever), missing Walden going for that blue that we talked about earlier cos they were too busy talking ****e.

There have been some beauts on BBC though.
Denis: So why do you think they call it the swans neck Peter?
Ebdon: I think it's because it looks like a swan.

Brae100

Another one was Parrott today saying to that Milkins must have a hot date tonight the way he is getting the balls out of there.

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BBC put Hendry on the spot and I believe he doesn't believe O'Sullivan is the greatest. What do you expect him to say? "No, I'm the greatest"? I find it really irritating how they gush and almost lick O'Sullivan's @r$€;. He's English, so of course he's the greatest. I remember the same $h1t with Jimmy White when he would play Hendry. Completely biased. Hendry in his pomp was far better than O'Sullivan.

One thing I really like about Hendry on the BBC is that he is so honest. There's no way he would answer a question because it's the right thing to say.

He's the most straight forward, honest analyst on the BBC.

Trump was dire again last night. Find him very irritating to watch.. he makes daft decisions at times!

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melon_collie

I thought Willie was an excellent commentator. Better than Taylor and ebdon anyway. Can't believe they let him go. Typical BBC. They keep paedo's on but let good guys go. I know Willie had some gambling issues but I thought they were behind him.

RebelButtMunch

melon_collie wrote: »

I thought Willie was an excellent commentator. Better than Taylor and ebdon anyway. Can't believe they let him go. Typical BBC. They keep paedo's on but let good guys go. I know Willie had some gambling issues but I thought they were behind him.

I think Everton was let go because he was very critical of World Snooker a few years back. I think they influenced BBC's decision.

Wait. What? I missed that in the news

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https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/snooker/watch-snooker-commentator-willie-thorne-warned-after-cursing-live-on-air-35625721.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/im-almost-speechless-says-gutted-11334248

Snake Plisken

That was terrible that they dropped Willie fair play to Hendry for sticking up for him! They should bring back Willie and drop Ebdon!

Joe_ Public

Clive is very bitter about his axing from the bbc which he covers extensively in his book which is a really good read for any fan.

Can’t remember if this is in the book or I read it somewhere else but Clive tells the story of when Hearn banned him from the crucible press room for something he wrote in the paper. But as Clive was on the bbc team at the time he was allowed to be in the press room with his bbc hat on but had to leave when he was on Guardian duty. Lot of farcical and petty stuff went on in those days.

melon_collie

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Wait. What? I missed that in the news

Yeah it happened a few years back apparently. My brother told me. Never looked into it myself.

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melon_collie wrote: »

Yeah it happened a few years back apparently. My brother told me. Never looked into it myself.

Might be worth looking in to it before spurting it out on a public forum?

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Just like to say thanks for providing all the match updates, it’s great to get fast updates when your out working.

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ebbsy

I think Ken and Dennis are awful.

Hendry and Davis are good though.

Clive is still the best though.

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Joe_ Public

Walden messed the previous frame up totally and now can't see him winning a game that looked well within his grasp. Even if he wins still not convinced this will do much for Judd, wont be handed gifts like these from now on.

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Joe_ Public

Judd having a go at another player for taking on a reckless shot....pot and kettle moment if there ever was one!

RebelButtMunch

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I'm looking forward to seeing some naughty snooker! /sarcasm.

buzzing147

melon_collie wrote: »

Can anyone tell me where Mr. Willie Thorne is??

You missed a trick there hearn. The great WT was great commentator, dropped for the "f bomb", cudnt be bothered listening to Doherty mcmanus or endon, all abysmal, hendry is actually good, as much as I abhore him for beating Jimmy in them finals. Thorne and virgo should still be there. Compared to them other 3 "new blood" excuses. Shellshocking.

Arthur Daley

ebbsy wrote: »

I think Ken and Dennis are awful.

Hendry and Davis are good though.

Clive is still the best though.

I think Ken and Dennis are my favourite combo. They are not too dry. I think Hendry, Ebdon and McManus can be. It's also why I don't mind Virgo continuing on for another few years.

Parrot is just annoying at this stage.
You can't please everyone.

Inviere

eric hoone wrote: »

And what parent would want their kid couped up in a snooker hall as opposed to outside playing team sports, remember the old joke about being good at snooker is a sign of a misspent youth!

If the kid has a passion for the game, then absolutely, go forth and be the best you can kid. I always roll my eyes at that "misspent youth" saying re Snooker, such utter bollox. God forbid some kids aren't into football, rugby, and other more 'socially acceptable' games :rolleyes:

On topic though, the overall standard this year at the Crucible has been shockingly bad. I'm enjoying the progress, but there's been precious little wow moments compared to wtf moments.

Joe_ Public

Inviere wrote: »

If the kid has a passion for the game, then absolutely, go forth and be the best you can kid. I always roll my eyes at that "misspent youth" saying re Snooker, such utter bollox. God forbid some kids aren't into football, rugby, and other more 'socially acceptable' games :rolleyes:

On topic though, the overall standard this year at the Crucible has been shockingly bad. I'm enjoying the progress, but there's been precious little wow moments compared to wtf moments.

I always enjoy the worlds no matter what but its fair to say this hasnt approached anywhere near vintage standard. Even if quality isnt great it can compensate with close finishes and see saw matches, but we havent had lots of those either. The Ronnie-Carter match was a little bit anti-climactic in the end and I thought we were in for a tight finish today too but that match fizzled out in the end. Still the meat of tournament yet to come so hopefully will pick up.

Inviere

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Still the meat of tournament yet to come so hopefully will pick up.

Exactly. Also, the single table setup brings the real magic usually, so fingers crossed indeed.

Joe_ Public

Inviere wrote: »

Exactly. Also, the single table setup brings the real magic usually, so fingers crossed indeed.

You get a lot of lads gone now because Ronnie's out and they'd nearly have you think tournament should be abandoned. But must say as much as I like watching him at his best, i've forgotten him already and am just curious to see if either of Allen or Ding, and maybe Hawkins, can raise their game enough to get over the line. I just cant fancy Trump, despite his finish today, but sport has made a fool of me often enough to still have some sort of hope for him against Higgins.

Joe_ Public

And your dead right too, it's the single table set up at the Crucible that really separates the men from the boys. Thats where the likes of Ding and Hawkins have been falling down in recent years, just havent been able to raise their game when the second table is gone. Allen has been there before, but quite a long time ago so not sure how he's going to react. He has a great support over there so am really hoping he can at least made a very good account of himself.

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Some absolutely cracking matches in the quarters to look forward to.

Frank O. Pinion

Most people are probably hoping for or expecting a Ding/Higgins final. I'm hoping for a Wilson/Williams final. Would love if either of those two won. Don't want Higgins or Carter anywhere near the final.

Inviere

Joe_ Public wrote: »

You get a lot of lads gone now because Ronnie's out and they'd nearly have you think tournament should be abandoned. But must say as much as I like watching him at his best, i've forgotten him already and am just curious to see if either of Allen or Ding, and maybe Hawkins, can raise their game enough to get over the line. I just cant fancy Trump, despite his finish today, but sport has made a fool of me often enough to still have some sort of hope for him against Higgins.

Joe_ Public wrote: »

And your dead right too, it's the single table set up at the Crucible that really separates the men from the boys. Thats where the likes of Ding and Hawkins have been falling down in recent years, just havent been able to raise their game when the second table is gone. Allen has been there before, but quite a long time ago so not sure how he's going to react. He has a great support over there so am really hoping he can at least made a very good account of himself.

Indeed, while I love to watch Ronnie play, there's still some huge potential left in the tournament. I'm not a fan of Trump, his shot selection is beyond ridiculous at times, and it's hard to watch someone with the potential to do so well, throw it away out of immaturity or arrogance...he's a hard lad to figure out.

I'm hoping Ding gets it done this year, and failing that, would love to see Higgins lift the trophy again. While Allen certainly has the talent and mentality to get the job done, I find it hard to warm to him. Maybe it's coincidence, but it seems every time he's speaking he's moaning or giving out about something.

Joe_ Public

Ding is a worthy favourite for the title but think the price on Hawkins is a bit of an insult and woudn't be calling that q/f too easily for Ding by any means. I dont believe Higgins is anywhere near as good as the player he was, even the one that lifted the trophy in 2010, he just feeds on players weaknesses and makes fewer mistakes. If they meet in s/f, I think Allen definitely has the ability to beat him, as he did at the Masters earlier, just has to believe in himself and cut out the silly concentration errors.

Joe_ Public

Inviere wrote: »

Indeed, while I love to watch Ronnie play, there's still some huge potential left in the tournament. I'm not a fan of Trump, his shot selection is beyond ridiculous at times, and it's hard to watch someone with the potential to do so well, throw it away out of immaturity or arrogance...he's a hard lad to figure out.

I'm hoping Ding gets it done this year, and failing that, would love to see Higgins lift the trophy again. While Allen certainly has the talent and mentality to get the job done, I find it hard to warm to him. Maybe it's coincidence, but it seems every time he's speaking he's moaning or giving out about something.

In a weird way I sometimes wondered whether nearly winning it so young was more of a hindrance than a help to Judd. He seemed to think, and I dont necessarily blame him for it, that it was almost ordained he'd take over Ronnie's mantle playing the way he grew up, with scant regard for the tactical nuances of the game. He got set in his ways, he seems a bit stubborn anyway, and was unprepared when the hard lessons started to hit home and actually looks a bit lost and confused these days, to me anyway. I dont know if thats really the way it is with him, its hard to figure out as you say.

Allen is a bit of a moany g!t alright, though I dont think he is half as bad as he used to be. I know he's a fella with a great sense of humour if you meet or know him. I think he's matured a lot and got to a place in his life where Trump needs to reach if he's going to ascend to a new level. Ding also looks like a fella much happier off the table than he used to be, or gave the impression of being anyway. I do think that will stand to him in a big way for the rest of the week.

buzzing147

I think it's Williams or higgins's to lose, the standard is shocking, but then again were used to watching Ronnie win the UK etc and reeling off 4-5 frames in less than an hour with 4-5 centuries, lost interest in this event when the blue he rolled into middle kicked at 9-11, anyway, he shudnt of been in that situation, guess that's the way she goes. Just can't find any motivation to watch more than 45 mins of the other sessions when he's not still in the draw. Pity dott didn't just put Carter to bed in rd1 when way ahead then would still be interested.

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Harsh assessment but I don't think it's all that unfair. Milkins was a great draw for him, hate to be unkind but don't think Rob has added anything at all to the tournament, the odd staccato burst of potting apart. But like Walden, he just got so far and then simply expired.

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I'd kind of agree. I watched him play a shot one handed there the other night, he was snookered trying to escape, and it took a few goes to get it right. There's a place for nonchalance and all, but it almost looked like a piss take tbh.

Loafing Oaf

buzzing147 wrote: »

I think it's Williams or higgins's to lose,

If Trump can maintain the form he found in the last few frames of the Walden match he has to be a serious contender. IMO.

Timmy O Toole

Would love to see Williams win it great bloke!

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Snake Plisken

Don’t think there is any love lost between Ken and Mark Williams I think I recall an interview with him on off the ball about some competition final they were in and Williams wanted to split the winners pot before the final and Ken refused which pissed Mark off.