What would you vote in a referendum on euthanasia?

garancafan

notsoyoungwan wrote: »

What terrifies and horrifies me is that by the time people are actually diagnosed with dementia they are often at a stage where they are blithely unconcerned/unaware of the significance of the diagnosis...

If they are "...blithely unconcerned/unaware... is it appropriate to euthanise?

Zaph

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Euthanasia legislation will or would pass a lot more easily that abortion debate.

Thankfully it wouldn't need a referendum, for starters.

notsoyoungwan

garancafan wrote: »

If they are "...blithely unconcerned/unaware... is it appropriate to euthanise?

Perhaps so, if when in the full of their health they had expressed a wish for it in the event they developed dementia.

Rechuchote

I think I'd wait for the stories before making my mind up.

As for myself, if I got certain illnesses, I think I'd be off to Switzerland. But then I don't know; maybe my mind would change in the actual circumstances.

Rechuchote

garancafan wrote: »

If they are "...blithely unconcerned/unaware... is it appropriate to euthanise?

I wouldn't think so. If they were totally unaware but in dreadful pain, yes. But if they were just unaware, no. You'd feel a right effing eejit if you euthanised Nana the day before a cure for Alzheimer's was found.

erica74

I would vote yes to euthanasia. I have significant health problems and if something else was to go wrong with my health, I could easily end up severely incapacitated. I have told my sister and my husband (the only people who would be central to any decisions about my health) that if I ever end up bed bound, unable to communicate and needing around the clock nursing, I want to be taken off to Switzerland and put to sleep.

The Bishop Basher

Yes X 1000

I don’t understand why we’re all talking about abortion and not this issue which affects most people at some point in their lives where as abortion doesn’t.

It’s a no brainer though. I would vote in favour without hesitation.

Herpes Free Since03

Had a look at the poll....just goes to show how far removed boards is from the reality of the rest of the country

screamer

Zaph wrote: »

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Euthanasia legislation will or would pass a lot more easily that abortion debate.

Thankfully it wouldn't need a referendum, for starters.

Which really begs the question why is it a subject the politicians won't touch with a barge poll? I certainly hope that after today's vote they have the balls to face up to euthanasia as an equally important area that needs modern legislation.

ELM327

Yes for choice.
Same as any other decision. Each individual grown adult, and not the state should make the decision

ELM327

screamer wrote: »

Which really begs the question why is it a subject the politicians won't touch with a barge poll? I certainly hope that after today's vote they have the balls to face up to euthanasia as an equally important area that needs modern legislation.

The next "big things" that need to be introduced are:


Euthanasia
Medicinal Cannabis

The Bishop Basher

ELM327 wrote: »

The next "big things" that need to be introduced are:


Euthanasia
Medicinal Cannabis

Agreed with one small change..

Euthanasia
Recreational Cannabis

ELM327

Swanner wrote: »

Agreed with one small change..

Euthanasia
Recreational Cannabis

Shhh..... you have to ease it in!

Hector Bellend

The reason I voted NO in the abortion referendum is that the alternative has not been thought through properly.

I would definitely vote yes to Euthanasia give that there reasonable and legally airtight alternatives to the current SITUATION.

Guy:Incognito

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Euthanasia legislation will or would pass a lot more easily that abortion debate.

The place will be full of posters telling us we are murdering the old.

I guarantee some group will have a photo of a queue of prisoners from a concentration camp.

Posters telling the elderly that everyone is trying to kill them.

Guy:Incognito

Hector Bellend wrote: »

The reason I voted NO in the abortion referendum is that the alternative has not been thought through properly.
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The alternative is fine. Let women decide what they think is best for themselves.

Ubbquittious

Rechuchote wrote: »

You'd feel a right effing eejit if you euthanised Nana the day before a cure for Alzheimer's was found.

The problem is the day the cure for Alzheimers is found is still 5 years away from the cure getting FDA approval in De States and 10-15+ years away from Nana being able to rock up to the local hospital with her medical card and walking out with a perscription for said cure but that's an entirely different problem that's much harder to solve since the political will just isn't there.



Euthanasia will probably pass in a referendum and you'll see a similar liberal "aren't we all so free and modern and progressive" feel-good buzz similar to the one you're seeing this week and a few years ago with the gay marriage but when the dust settles a whole lot of people who could have been easily saved will end up getting euthanised.

ELM327

Ubbquittious wrote: »

The problem is the day the cure for Alzheimers is found is still 5 years away from the cure getting FDA approval in De States and 10-15+ years away from Nana being able to rock up to the local hospital with her medical card and walking out with a perscription for said cure but that's an entirely different problem that's much harder to solve since the political will just isn't there.



Euthanasia will probably pass in a referendum and you'll see a similar liberal "aren't we all so free and modern and progressive" feel-good buzz similar to the one you're seeing this week and a few years ago with the gay marriage but when the dust settles a whole lot of people who could have been easily saved will end up getting euthanised.

You'd swear euthanasia meant taking nana out back once she reaches 75 (insert old age here) and gunning her down in cold blood.


Euthanasia is voluntary, and opted for by the recipient in the vast vast majority of cases. It's a synonym in effect for suicide with illness cause.

ohnonotgmail

Rechuchote wrote: »

I wouldn't think so. If they were totally unaware but in dreadful pain, yes. But if they were just unaware, no. You'd feel a right effing eejit if you euthanised Nana the day before a cure for Alzheimer's was found.

and here was me thinking that euthanasia was the choice of the patient. didnt realise the proposal was to make it compulsory.

Ubbquittious

ELM327 wrote: »

You'd swear euthanasia meant taking nana out back once she reaches 75 (insert old age here) and gunning her down in cold blood.


Euthanasia is voluntary, and opted for by the recipient in the vast vast majority of cases. It's a synonym in effect for suicide with illness cause.

Or for people who only have €2,000 in their permanent tsb account instead of the required €90,000 for a few vials of newly invented stuff to cure them.


I am not against it by the way when there genuinely is no cure. A lot of the time there is just a lack of availability of cures for capitalist and bureaucratic reasons

ohnonotgmail

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Or for people who only have €2,000 in their permanent tsb account instead of the required €90,000 for a few vials of newly invented stuff to cure them.


I am not against it by the way when there genuinely is no cure. A lot of the time there is just a lack of availability of cures for capitalist and bureaucratic reasons

Not having the money to pay for a cure does not mean they will be euthanised.

TheQuietFella

We can't vote to bring back the death penalty and you're talking about euthanasia and a referendum then on abortion today!

I just don't get it!

ohnonotgmail

TheQuietFella wrote: »

We can't vote to bring back the death penalty and you're talking about euthanasia and a referendum then on abortion today!

I just don't get it!

you do realise why a vote on the 8th was necessary and why a public vote on legislation is not?

Ubbquittious

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Not having the money to pay for a cure does not mean they will be euthanised.

The other option is to lay there and suffer and slowly waste away so some rich dude in the States can feel like he's getting value for money when he buys his €90,000 vials of goodness

ohnonotgmail

Ubbquittious wrote: »

The other option is to lay there and suffer and slowly waste away so some rich dude in the States can feel like he's getting value for money when he buys his €90,000 vials of goodness

yes, it is an OPTION. the patient decides what is best for them. There are always going to be people who can afford better healthcare than others.

Ubbquittious

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yes, it is an OPTION. the patient decides what is best for them. There are always going to be people who can afford better healthcare than others.

That option serves to cover up the flaws in the existing system. Namely people dieing for entirely capitalist reasons and the approval processes for new cures taking too long. They really need to have a good attempt at fixing those problems first before saying "ah sure you can just have yourself euthanised instead"

hurler32

I was wondering what would be next after Abortion for Irelands Liberal gangs...what after Euthanasia?...Gas Chambers for those who live outside Dublin?

ohnonotgmail

Ubbquittious wrote: »

That option serves to cover up the flaws in the existing system. Namely people dieing for entirely capitalist reasons and the approval processes for new cures taking too long. They really need to have a good attempt at fixing those problems first before saying "ah sure you can just have yourself euthanised instead"

and for those people for who there is no cure and no amount of money will save them?

Ubbquittious

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and for those people for who there is no cure and no amount of money will save them?

For them it's an acceptable option, as I said

Rechuchote

hurler32 wrote: »

I was wondering what would be next after Abortion for Irelands Liberal gangs...what after Euthanasia?...Gas Chambers for those who live outside Dublin?

Oh, now. That's going a little far!

Ursus Horribilis

If anybody who's against euthanasia has never watched this, they should. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/aug/16/locked-in-syndrome-right-die The tears of an unfortunate man with locked in syndrome being told he can't legally die. The judgment killed him anyway - he started refusing food and died six days later. What justification could anybody have for forcing this poor man to stay alive?

ohnonotgmail

Rechuchote wrote: »

Oh, now. That's going a little far!

wait, wait, hear them out. They could be on to something.