Bangladeshi Trainee Garda and His Sham Marriage

irishproduce

See on rte there is an item about a Bangladeshi chap who got himself a sham marriage and then was admitted into AGS training.

This stuff annoys the hell out of me.
Couple of questions arise.

1) What are we doing bringing dodgy Bangladeshi guys in to the police force.
There are no Bangldeshi people in Ireland, who are likely to join the Gardai.

2) Are the Garda not a bit extra suspicious when bringing these guys for interview that broadly, they are spurious characters who shouldn't really be here in the first place.

Bangladeshis who are here legitimately tend to be working as doctors, IT engineers and Pharmacists for example, not call centres and farm hands.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0424/956889-garda-sham-marriage/

The whole thing is just so stupid. The fact a Bangladeshi or other similar national who wants to join the guards at all should lead to suspicion immediately.
We are mugs.

Samuel T. Cogley

Eh?

Is that some sort of an attempt at a serious post?

irishproduce

As serious as you'll get Sam.
Bangladesh is not part of the EU, so when a Bangladeshi lad presents for enrollment into AGS, questions should be immediately raised as to what this person is doing here.
Visas are issued outside the EU for areas that are of interest to us or we are short on.
Lads entering our police force is not an area we issue visas for.
Any made up reason for them being here, is essentially that, made up nonsense.

Rubberchikken

Maybe it shows up the interview process rhat AGS has. After all look at the quality of the top brass we're stuck with. everything flows downwards and i mean everything.

Samuel T. Cogley

Okay so you're suggesting his immigration status should be subject to a robust check, not that simply being Bangladeshi raises questions on why he wants to be a guard?

bigpink

Look at Limerick it’s a joke all the Non eu people here at present

brianblaze

This is a very thinly veiled 'feckin foreigners' thread

irelandrover

brianblaze wrote: »

This is a very thinly veiled 'feckin foreigners' thread

It wasn't veiled in any way.

irishproduce

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Okay so you're suggesting his immigration status should be subject to a robust check, not that simply being Bangladeshi raises questions on why he wants to be a guard?

Countries outside EU yes, and of them, we have about five countries that we receive alot of people from. Bangladesh being one.

Grayson

He was legally here. He applied and went through the selection process and got in. It was later found out that he obtained his residency illegally and he left.

How is this the guards fault?

Amalgam

brianblaze wrote: »

This is a very thinly veiled 'feckin foreigners' thread

OP is being a bit ham fisted, but.. with the gift of hindsight, the article states the trainee handed over 15,000 euro for a sham marriage. Had there been closer scrutiny, events might have played out in a different manner.

irishproduce

brianblaze wrote: »

This is a very thinly veiled 'feckin foreigners' thread

It is absolutely not.
It is an open attempt at highlighting the stupidity of some of our policies.
We have loads of foreign people who provide great help to our country where we are short. Help that allows us to advance and progress.
No point allowing dodgy lads from Bangladesh (or anywhere else) waste time trying to come in and get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS etc

Samuel T. Cogley

irelandrover wrote: »

It wasn't veiled in any way.

irishproduce wrote: »

Countries outside EU yes, and of them, we have about five countries that we receive alot of people from. Bangladesh being one.

More like a fcuking neon sign.

Sham marriage aside and I'm glad that was caught, there's a cohort of people that constantly moan about people not assimilating to Irish culture. This lad or others of similar ancestry try and are subjected to this sort of rubbish, and presumably a load of additional abuse when they finally roll off the production line.

amcalester

irishproduce wrote: »

It is absolutely not.
It is an open attempt at highlighting the stupidity of some of our policies.
We have loads of foreign people who provide great help to our country where we are short. Help that allows us to advance and progress.
No point allowing dodgy lads from Bangladesh (or anywhere else) waste time trying to come in and get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS etc

But he wasn't allowed in, he got in (or at least stayed here) illegally and has been found out.

So what's your problem?

irishproduce

Grayson wrote: »

He was legally here. He applied and went through the selection process and got in. It was later found out that he obtained his residency illegally and he left.

How is this the guards fault?

His application should never have made it as far as training.
He should have been subject to robust scrutiny immediately once a Bangladeshi passport was handed in for a Garda job.
Unless he was a person changing role from medical, pharma, ICT or some other specialised area, then it is fairly obvious what he is doing here.

kneemos

irishproduce wrote: »

Countries outside EU yes, and of them, we have about five countries that we receive alot of people from. Bangladesh being one.

But he was here through marriage, not as part of an essential trade.

The marriage was dodgy, but the interview panel obviously weren't privvy to this info.

irishproduce

amcalester wrote: »

But he wasn't allowed in, he got in (or at least stayed here) illegally and has been found out.

So what's your problem?

He had no business making it as far as training in AGS. None whatsoever.
It is PC hands off policies that allowed him to get that far.
I repeat, if applications like that are received, the applicant should be subject to scrutiny immediately, not treated as if he were John Murphy from Offaly.

irelandrover

irishproduce wrote: »

His application should never have made it as far as training.
He should have been subject to robust scrutiny immediately once a Bangladeshi passport was handed in for a Garda job.
Unless he was a person changing role from medical, pharma, ICT or some other specialised area, then it is fairly obvious what he is doing here.

Can you make a list of passports and the list of jobs that they are not allowed to apply for?

biko

He was in recruit training when detectives from the Garda National Immigration Bureau discovered he and his friend married two Lithuanian women a number of years ago.

Tbh the Garda knows well about these sham marriages, it's not the first and certainly not the last.

The girl gets 1500 euro and the man gets to stay in Ireland.

Samuel T. Cogley

irishproduce wrote: »

He had no business making it as far as training in AGS. None whatsoever.
It is PC hands off policies that allowed him to get that far.
I repeat, if applications like that are received, the applicant should be subject to scrutiny immediately, not treated as if he were John Murphy from Offaly.

Why?

Odhinn

irishproduce wrote: »

His application should never have made it as far as training.
He should have been subject to robust scrutiny immediately once a Bangladeshi passport was handed in for a Garda job.
Unless he was a person changing role from medical, pharma, ICT or some other specialised area, then it is fairly obvious what he is doing here.

Stereotyping isn't a good way to run a state. Checking documents, investigating possible wrong doing is.

irishproduce

kneemos wrote: »

But he was here through marriage, not as part of an essential trade.

The marriage was dodgy, but the interview panel obviously weren't privvy to this info.

The moment AGS seen the application, they should have been on it immediately.

pjohnson

irishproduce wrote: »

He had no business making it as far as training in AGS. None whatsoever.
It is PC hands off policies that allowed him to get that far.
I repeat, if applications like that are received, the applicant should be subject to scrutiny immediately, not treated as if he were John Murphy from Offaly.

So Bangladeshi's should never be allowed become Garda is the point of the thread?

kneemos

irishproduce wrote: »

The moment AGS seen the application, they should have been on it immediately.

Someone must have been "on it" if he got caught?

amcalester

irishproduce wrote: »

He had no business making it as far as training in AGS. None whatsoever.
It is PC hands off policies that allowed him to get that far.
I repeat, if applications like that are received, the applicant should be subject to scrutiny immediately, not treated as if he were John Murphy from Offaly.

I'm sure Garda HR checked his paperwork which would have all been valid so not much more they can do.

It was a sham marriage and he was caught, so again what is the issue?

irishproduce

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Why?

Read my posts Sam, Bangladeshi or other such nationals have no business here unless they are on holidays, working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, big tech firms or the like.
Working in Spar etc is not the type of Visa we hand out which allows one to progress on to AGS.
People attempting to access blue collar roles from places outside EU better have a great reason for being here. Married to women from Lithuania or Latvia should mean robust scrutiny immediately. It should not be on RTE news a year later that the chancer got that far as to be in Templemore.

irishproduce

pjohnson wrote: »

So Bangladeshi's should never be allowed become Garda is the point of the thread?

No, not at all.

Walter Bishop

Christ just change ‘After Hours’ to ‘ranting about Muslims, foreigners, and PC libtards’ already.

pjohnson

irishproduce wrote: »

No, not at all.

What are you on about then?

You allow Bangladeshi's to work in Hospitals but refuse to let them be Gardai?

Grayson

irishproduce wrote: »

The moment AGS seen the application, they should have been on it immediately.

You can't start investigating the marriages of everyone who applies and you can't just target some people with having their marriages investigated simply because they applied for a job.

topper75

Had this chap been a policeman back in Bangladesh?

Or is this merely diversity for diversity's sake?

Because if it is the latter - I think a big discussion is needed as to what the heck we are doing in this country.

Samuel T. Cogley

irishproduce wrote: »

Read my posts Sam, Bangladeshi or other such nationals have no business here unless they are on holidays, working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, big tech firms or the like.
Working in Spar etc is not the type of Visa we hand out which allows one to progress on to AGS.
People attempting to access blue collar roles from places outside EU better have a great reason for being here. Married to women from Lithuania or Latvia should mean robust scrutiny immediately. It should not be on RTE news a year later that the chancer got that far as to be in Templemore.

I's still confused here, and I've read your posts, time I'm never getting back.

I asked if it was just immigration and you said no.

Johnny D. Mudd

We seriously have someone here suggesting that someone's nationality should dictate what occupations they can pursue. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum and I've read an awful lot of After Hours.

Bad news you jackeen bar stewards out there, there's no place on the country farms for you city slickers. And if you're from Korea, don't even try getting into journalism because your future remains strictly within mathematics, unless you're an attractive asian-american female of course.

Seriously, have a word with yourself.

Underground

If he was trying to get on the social housing list and claim the dole after having a sham marriage people would be up in arms, and rightly so.

However, as he was trying to actually find gainful employment, I'm more inclined to shrug my shoulders at this one.

kneemos

Johnny D. Mudd wrote: »

We seriously have someone here suggesting that someone's nationality should dictate what occupations they can pursue. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum and I've read an awful lot of After Hours.

Bad news you jackeen bar stewards out there, there's no place on the country farms for you city slickers. And if you're from Korea, don't even try getting into journalism because your future remains strictly within mathematics, unless an attractive asian-american female of course.

Seriously, have a word with yourself.

He didn't say that in fairness.

baylah17

bigpink wrote: »

Look at Limerick it’s a joke all the Non eu people here at present

In fairness Limerick has always been a joke ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

Johnny D. Mudd

kneemos wrote: »

He didn't say that in fairness.

I don't know, it sounded like he was insinuating that by suggesting that someone from Bangladesh should be expected to be working within IT and couldn't possibly have any interest in applying for a job as a garda without some ulterior motive.

weldoninhio

Underground wrote: »

If he was trying to get on the social housing list and claim the dole after having a sham marriage people would be up in arms, and rightly so.

However, as he was trying to actually find gainful employment, I'm more inclined to shrug my shoulders at this one.

Yes, because even more shady characters on the force is exactly what the Gardai needs. :rollseyes:

irishproduce

Johnny D. Mudd wrote: »

We seriously have someone here suggesting that someone's nationality should dictate what occupations they can pursue.

That is not my point at all.

I am highlighting the fact that we have people in this country who are clearly blaggards and we are taking soft approaches on it.

There are plenty of Bangladeshis here legally, but they tend to be in Hospitals and other such high skilled jobs as I have pointed out.
Where we have an eastern asian bloke sending in applications, with history that is not in a high skilled job, plus married to a poor eastern european, then that application should be immediately scrutinised.
He should not be turning up for training months later in Templemore.
It is PC ****e

Grayson

irishproduce wrote: »

That is not my point at all.

I am highlighting the fact that we have people in this country who are clearly blaggards and we are taking soft approaches on it.

There are plenty of Bangladeshis here legally, but they tend to be in Hospitals and other such high skilled jobs as I have pointed out.
Where we have an eastern asian bloke sending in applications, with history that is not in a high skilled job, plus married to a poor eastern european, then that application should be immediately scrutinised.
He should not be turning up for training months later in Templemore.
It is PC ****e

So you would think it was fair in, for example the US, that someone with a greencard should have their marriage etc fully investigated by the company who they're applying for a job with.

Or it could be investigated by the INS just once. Like happened here. The guy was found out by our immigration services.

ohnonotgmail

weldoninhio wrote: »

Yes, because even more shady characters on the force is exactly what the Gardai needs. :rollseyes:

are all bagladeshis who want to join the garda dodgy?

Grayson

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are all bagladeshis who want to join the garda dodgy?

read his post. He said shady. Obviously it's a way of referring to dark skin

ChikiChiki

bigpink wrote: »

Look at Limerick it’s a joke all the Non eu people here at present

FFS like. Do you want to be a bit more specific you racist mongoloid?

I know multi nationals in Limerick that have had to go outside the EU to acquire different skillsets.

As long as the Immigration is controlled its fine. So you still dissing them people?

Mod-Banned

wexie

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are all bagladeshis who want to join the garda dodgy?

No, not just the ones that want to join the gardai, ALL of the ones that don't work in either IT or hospitals apparently...

Also everybody who's married to a Latvian, Lithuanian or Estonian girl...

I'm sure I've missed a few there but that seems to be the general idea

weldoninhio

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are all bagladeshis who want to join the garda dodgy?

We aren’t talking about all Bangladeshi’s though, are we. We are talking about a fraudster who entered a sham marriage to illegally stay in Ireland, then tried to join the GS on fraudulent grounds.

Would you not call that shady behaviour?

irishproduce

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are all bagladeshis who want to join the garda dodgy?

If you had 10 Bangladeshi guys in the queue tomorrow waiting to join AGS, then I would say that yes, 9 or 10 of them would have questionable stories about how they found themselves in a position that they are now joining AGS. Storiesd that likely are deportable offences.
I am open to suggestions as to what legitimate reasons that more than perhaps one of them would have.

ohnonotgmail

irishproduce wrote: »

If you had 10 Bangladeshi guys in the queue tomorrow waiting to join AGS, then I would say that yes, 9 or 10 of them would have questionable stories about how they found themselves in a position that they are now joining AGS. Storiesd that likely are deportable offences.
I am open to suggestions as to what legitimate reasons that more than perhaps one of them would have.

and what are you basing that on? apart from the colour of their skin of course.

irishproduce

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and what are you basing that on? apart from the colour of their skin of course.

They are from outside the EU and so as far as I am aware, AGS is not recruiting outside EU and issuing visas for same.

Oh, and I couldn't give two shíts about the colour of their skin. We could be talking about Australians for all I care, we are however discussing the proven fraudster from Bangladesh

ohnonotgmail

weldoninhio wrote: »

We aren’t talking about all Bangladeshi’s though, are we. We are talking about a fraudster who entered a sham marriage to illegally stay in Ireland, then tried to join the GS on fraudulent grounds.

Would you not call that shady behaviour?

well actually that was suggested by the OP.

amcalester

irishproduce wrote: »

If you had 10 Bangladeshi guys in the queue tomorrow waiting to join AGS, then I would say that yes, 9 or 10 of them would have questionable stories about how they found themselves in a position that they are now joining AGS. Storiesd that likely are deportable offences.
I am open to suggestions as to what legitimate reasons that more than perhaps one of them would have.

Would it be any different if 10 Bengali's were waiting in line to work at a hospital?

I'm not sure what the relevance of the position being applied for has.

ohnonotgmail

irishproduce wrote: »

They are from outside the EU and so as far as I am aware, AGS is not recruiting outside EU and issuing visas for same.

if they are applying for AGS they already have visas.