Bangladeshi Trainee Garda and His Sham Marriage

Mtx

brianblaze wrote: »

This is a very thinly veiled 'feckin foreigners' thread

Cuck detected

John_D80

amcalester wrote: »

Exactly, I really don’t see what the issue is.

The system works, it might be slow but it works.

If it’s that slow, that he can make it through the whole recruitment process, then no, it doesn’t work.

From application to enlistment in the AGS takes about 12 months.

amcalester

John_D80 wrote: »

If it’s that slow, that he can make it through the whole recruitment process, then no, it doesn’t work.

From application to enlistment in the AGS takes about 12 months.

How long does a proper investigation take?

Surely during the period he was being investigated he would have been allowed continue with his training up until the point that it was known he was a fraudster.

To do otherwise would be unfair.

This might be silly question but does enlistment happen before or after training?

gozunda

AlekSmart wrote: »

To be fair,the OP has not rambled at all,direct and to the point I would say,the only rambling has been from a couple of posters eager to diversify,and embrace other stuff....from wherever it comes.

In the meantime,we know little of the Banglagarda's friend,who married the other Lesbian Lithuanian....or is it Lithunian Lesbian ??

But,with Brexit in mind,I'm sure the PSNI might be worth a punt ?

Yup only came across the detail about the 'wife' being a lesbian. You couldn't make it the whole tbing up - the publishers would reject the story on sight if it was a novel!

Trainee garda facing deportation after his €15,000 sham marriage to lesbian exposed

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/trainee-garda-facing-deportation-after-his-15000-sham-marriage-to-lesbian-exposed-36842183.html

topper75

Deleted User wrote: »

If it's any consolation, OP, the RTÉ Radio 1 security guy Reynolds was saying @6pm that the reason AGS want to recruit more foreigners is because a whopping 22% of the population of Ireland between the ages of 18 (20?) and 40 was born outside Ireland. If true, as stastics go that's a well-kept secret.

This would seem odd if you live in rural Ireland, as I do myself. But walking the paths of any of our major cities these days would confirm it for you soon enough.

Depends too on the day you happen to be wandering around. Some days in central Dublin with the additional layer of summer tourists you can observe the throng on certain streets and play 'Where's Paddy'.

Grayson

Sand wrote: »

I'm bemused that people are repeatedly asking what the problem is. It's as if they haven't seen the repeated posts explaining what the problem is.

In fairness to this fellah, he must have nerves of steel. He knows he is in Ireland illegally with a sham marriage and he decides to push his luck by joining the Guards. Not smart, but its something.

I still don't know what the problem is. He was caught, the system works. Why are people complaining? Do they expect every garda to go through some kind of CIA level background checks? And if so do they expect every state employee to do the same?

The simple fact is that the guy was caught, the system did work.

Do you not need to be a fluent Irish speaker anymore,to get into the guards?

John_D80

amcalester wrote: »

How long does a proper investigation take?

Surely during the period he was being investigated he would have been allowed continue with his training up until the point that it was known he was a fraudster.

To do otherwise would be unfair.

This might be silly question but does enlistment happen before or after training?

As soon as his application was processed there should have been serious red flags.

Not to mention he would have had to give details of his spouse and spouses family as part of the vetting process, which is supposedly very strict for trainee guards.

In short, he should never have gotten as far as even starting training.

John_D80

Grayson wrote: »

I still don't know what the problem is. He was caught, the system works. Why are people complaining? Do they expect every garda to go through some kind of CIA level background checks? And if so do they expect every state employee to do the same?

The simple fact is that the guy was caught, the system did work.

In actuality if the system really worked it would never have gotten this far.

Trainee Garda vetting was always notoriously strict. Included full background checks of family members out to cousins and beyond and the same for applicants spouses in the case where an applicant is married.

Even a quick check on his wife should have set off alarms. Someone dropped the ball here big time.

Geuze

pjohnson wrote: »

So Bangladeshi's should never be allowed become Garda is the point of the thread?

Maybe only citizens of Ireland should be allowed to join AGS?

Geuze

Hundreds of Asian men are bogus asylum-seekers, entering into sham marriage to eastern European women in Ireland.

The Garda operation to investigate this is known as Operation Vantage.


http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Garda%20Operation%20Vantage%20targeting%20sham%20marriages%20and%20illegal%20immigration

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fall-in-number-of-sham-marriages-463709.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/how-irish-sham-marriage-scam-was-dismantled-1.2949970

The numbers of sham marriages has fallen as a result, but of course many have not been prevented, like this case.


The people protesting against direct provision seem to want asylum-seekers to be allowed to stay in Ireland, but given that most of them are bogus, like these hundreds of Asian men, I don't understand it, surely you'd want these bogus AS to be deported?

Irish Guitarist

Some of these comments are bizarre. It's incredible the number of people that are more concerned with not appearing racist than they are with criminals being given positions of authority.

This morning there's another thread about someone that could potentially have killed a bunch of people but apparently the most shocking thing is that a news article dared to describe the perpetrator.

This attitude of wanting to leave facts out of news articles as well as thinking it's 'racist' to not want to give foreign criminals positions of power is troubling and downright fucking weird.

Riskymove

zorro2566 wrote: »

Do you not need to be a fluent Irish speaker anymore,to get into the guards?

you never needed to be a fluent irish speaker, you just needed a certain grade in irish in the LC

now you need competency in 2 languages

Grayson

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Some of these comments are bizarre. It's incredible the number of people that are more concerned with not appearing racist than they are with criminals being given positions of authority.

Did anyone say that? People are saying he was caught, well done.

Grayson

Geuze wrote: »

The people protesting against direct provision seem to want asylum-seekers to be allowed to stay in Ireland, but given that most of them are bogus, like these hundreds of Asian men, I don't understand it, surely you'd want these bogus AS to be deported?

And has anyone here said they want bogus asylum seekers to stay? Seriously, has anyone actually said that.

There seems to be a trend where people are putting words into people mouths. No-one said the guy should be a guard. No-one said that bogus asylum seekers should be allowed to stay.

people are saying "he was caught. He's no longer in garda training. well done, the law has been implemented"

John_D80

Grayson wrote: »

Did anyone say that? People are saying he was caught, well done.

You are saying that but a quick read over the thread supports the point being made by the poster you quoted.

Geuze

Grayson wrote: »

And has anyone here said they want bogus asylum seekers to stay? Seriously, has anyone actually said that.

I wasn't referring to this case.

What I meant was that there are often protests against Direct Provision.

And it seems to me that the protestors want the AS to be allowed stay in Ireland.

What I am saying is that most AS are bogus, and should be deported.

Riskymove

Geuze wrote: »

What I meant was that there are often protests against Direct Provision.

that doesn't mean that they want them to stay though

the system should be quicker and people either allowed stay or be deported rather than be in DP for years

pc7

Are AGS applying positive discrimination in the selection process for trainee guards? Eg, 10% must be from minorities? Could be how he got so far in the process.

ohnonotgmail

John_D80 wrote: »

You are saying that but a quick read over the thread supports the point being made by the poster you quoted.

It really doesn't. the issue is with the OPs claim that all bangladeshis that are not doctors or working in IT are dodgy.

quintana76

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and what are you basing that on? apart from the colour of their skin of course.

That old diversionary red herring again. Next you will be calling the Gaurds racist up there with Stormfront. Very tedious tactics at this stage.

ohnonotgmail

quintana76 wrote: »

That old diversionary red herring again. Next you will be calling the Gaurds racist up there with Stormfront. Very tedious tactics at this stage.

i never mentioned the guards being racist. Please do try to read what is actually posted.

Glass fused light

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It really doesn't. the issue is with the OPs claim that all bangladeshis that are not doctors or working in IT are dodgy.

Hang on.

irishproduce wrote: »

It is absolutely not.
It is an open attempt at highlighting the stupidity of some of our policies.
We have loads of foreign people who provide great help to our country where we are short. Help that allows us to advance and progress.
No point allowing dodgy lads from Bangladesh (or anywhere else) waste time trying to come in and get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS etc

To be fair they don't have to be doctors they can work working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, or come on holidays. But should not get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS. Edit said the OP. end edit

irishproduce wrote: »

Working in Spar etc is not the type of Visa we hand out which allows one to progress on to AGS.

Or Spar

Mrs OBumble

Glass fused light wrote: »

Hang on.



To be fair they don't have to be doctors they can work working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, or come on holidays. But should not get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS.



Or Spar

And the spouses of people working in hospitals can just f*ck off and die of boredom, intead of stealing all the Polish people's jobs?

Stab*City

bigpink wrote: »

Look at Limerick it’s a joke all the Non eu people here at present

Limerick is not a joke. Explain?

ohnonotgmail

Glass fused light wrote: »

Hang on.



To be fair they don't have to be doctors they can work working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, or come on holidays. But should not get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS.



Or Spar

perhaps try to reply to the post you quoted.

AlekSmart

Grayson wrote: »

I still don't know what the problem is. He was caught, the system works. Why are people complaining? Do they expect every garda to go through some kind of CIA level background checks? And if so do they expect every state employee to do the same?

The simple fact is that the guy was caught, the system did work.

The only part of "The System" which worked was the Garda Operation Vantage,which was totally unconnected with the Garda Recruitment Process.

If,as you suggest,the Grada Recruitment "System" had worked,then Mr Iqbal would not have entered the Training College at all.

In order for him to get through the gates in Templemore,he had to comprehensively decieve TWO seperate State Agencies,the Irish Naturalization & Immigration Service AND the Public Appointments Service,something Mr Iqbal not only succeeded in doing,but also maintained that deception for Three Years.

This,to some,may indicate a functioning vetting system,but to many interested observers,it points to significant weaknesses in the process,

Also of interest,it appears from today's accounts,that Mr Iqbal did not voluntarily resign at all.....

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2488166/garda-recruit-forced-to-resign-after-he-paid-e15000-to-marry-lesbian-from-eastern-europe-so-he-could-stay-in-ireland/

The garda trainee was forced to resign from his position in Templemore.

The man has been told to leave the country voluntarily or face deportation.

A criminal investigation into the fraud marriages is now underway and a file is being prepared for the Director of Public Prosecutions.

It is of some interest that Mr Iqbal has been offered the facility to leave Ireland voluntarily,a somewhat questionable decision,given the evidence thus far made public about,what could well be serious criminal charges surrounding deception,and availing of an Illegal sham Marriage.

The desire to see this Gentleman (and perhaps the other THREE people directly involved) rapidly leave the State,appears a tad ill-considered,particularly given his 5 Months of access to The Garda College (a facility NOT generally available to legitimate Irish Citizens).

It may well be that pc7's post is relevant here...

Are AGS applying positive discrimination in the selection process for trainee guards? Eg, 10% must be from minorities? Could be how he got so far in the process.

One element is certain,It was the Gardai themselves,not the other responsible agencies,who investigated and identified Mr Iqbal and his associates.

Well done to the GNIB,a section of AGS often targetted,and subjected to unwarranted ire in this State.

Irish Guitarist

Instead of keeping his head down in a job where he was more likely to get away with it he risked joining the guards. This should set alarm bells ringing. Was there some reason he wanted to be a guard so badly? If the guards just ask him nicely to leave the country and do nothing further it's all a cod. The very, very least they should be doing is contacting the authorities in other European countries.

Glass fused light

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

perhaps try to reply to the post you quoted.

Apologies bad use of English let me rephrase myself.

To be fair the bangladeshis don't have to be doctors they can work working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, and IT or come on holidays and not be dodgy.
But should not get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS, or Spar as the bangladeshis who work in these occupations are by default classified as dodgy by the OP

Edit: please read posr 124 and 134 for context end edit

ohnonotgmail

Glass fused light wrote: »

Apologies bad use of English let me rephrase myself.

To be fair the bangladeshis don't have to be doctors they can work working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, and IT or come on holidays and not be dodgy.
But should not get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS, or Spar as the bangladeshis who work in these occupations are by default classified as dodgy by the OP

and you dont see the issue in describing these people as dodgy?

Glass fused light

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And the spouses of people working in hospitals can just f*ck off and die of boredom, intead of stealing all the Polish people's jobs?

Non-bangladeshis can steal away but bangladeshis can only steal Polish people's jobs if they are classed as white collar jobs.

Doltanian

Cases like this make me an advocate for retention of the Irish Language as a requirement for joining the Gardai. There is certain jobs and professions which should be off limit to non-nationals for interests of National Security and Culture Preservation.

Glass fused light

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and you dont see the issue in describing these people as dodgy?

The irony did not work that time either.

Look the OP is trying to make a valid point about the personal circumstance of an individual may have exposed a flaw in the vetting system of the Gardai recruitment process.

But shooting themselves in the foot with most of the posts.

Unless they are following the trainees around how exactly should they have discovered the issue with the marraige. I suppose they could add a question on the form to cover how the applicant can prove marital relations exist.

If it is added I suggest we start a campaign for the replies to be classified and reported to the CSO on an annual basis.

ohnonotgmail

Glass fused light wrote: »

The irony did not work that time either.

Look the OP is trying to make a valid point about the personal circumstance of an individual may have exposed a flaw in the vetting system of the Gardai recruitment process.

But shooting themselves in the foot with most of the posts.

Unless they are following the trainees around how exactly should they have discovered the issue with the marraige. I suppose they could add a question on the form to cover how the applicant can prove marital relations exist.

If it is added I suggest we start a campaign for the replies to be classified and reported to the CSO on an annual basis.

well i'm glad we can agree on that at least.

weldoninhio

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And the spouses of people working in hospitals can just f*ck off and die of boredom, intead of stealing all the Polish people's jobs?

His spouse was Lithuanian and didn’t live in Ireland.

Glass fused light

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well i'm glad we can agree on that at least.

But will you join the campaign, I won't ask you for a passport if your real life name is John.

ohnonotgmail

Glass fused light wrote: »

But will you join the campaign, I won't ask you for a passport if your real life name is John.

nope. no idea what you are saying here.

Mrs OBumble

Doltanian wrote: »

Cases like this make me an advocate for retention of the Irish Language as a requirement for joining the Gardai. There is certain jobs and professions which should be off limit to non-nationals for interests of National Security and Culture Preservation.

Please define a non-national.

Glass fused light

Doltanian wrote: »

Cases like this make me an advocate for retention of the Irish Language as a requirement for joining the Gardai.

Most will have learned English as a language. Within a couple of months of language lessons most non-national applicants would have better language skill than a chunk of the post leaving cert population.

Doltanian wrote: »

There is certain jobs and professions which should be off limit to non-nationals for interests of National Security and Culture Preservation.

We are currently paying a lot of money to find out what "Culture Preservation" actually may mean to certain professionals.

Glass fused light

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nope. no idea what you are saying here.

Post 17, John.:D

The campaign :

Once the Gardai add a question on the form to cover how the applicant can prove marital relations exist, we campaign for the replies to be classified and reported to the CSO on an annual basis.

irishproduce

John_D80 wrote: »

As soon as his application was processed there should have been serious red flags.

Not to mention he would have had to give details of his spouse and spouses family as part of the vetting process, which is supposedly very strict for trainee guards.

In short, he should never have gotten as far as even starting training.

One of the problems is that there is a hands off approach (even in position of importance such as arms of the state that uphold law) for fear of being accused of being something.

irishproduce

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It really doesn't. the issue is with the OPs claim that all bangladeshis that are not doctors or working in IT are dodgy.

They were typical examples.
The point I was trying to make was that the overwhelming majority of legitimate Bangladeshis here are far too skilled to be applying for trainee positions in AGS.
Equally, men of other certain nationalities, here legitimately are equally far too skilled to be applying for a Garda training job.
Therefore, where AGS receive an application from one of said criteria of people, they should have a robust system that immediately scrutinises that application.

Clearly this isn't happening, for some unknown reasons. We know it isn't happening because a guy with no business here, essentially a criminal, made it all the way to training.

I will try to highlight the point another way.
If an Irish guy (John Murphy) who had a history of flying into Amsterdam, Dubai and Malaga airports every few weeks, was attempting to get into AGS, would you think AGS would put extra scrutiny into his application upon receiving it? I would hope so, and I think they would. Any nefarious goings on would be rooted out long before the candidate got into training.
But not so with a Bangladeshi, why?
What other stuff is not screened, for unknown reasons? Because the knock on effects have an impact on all of us.

irishproduce

AlekSmart wrote: »

The only part of "The System" which worked was the Garda Operation Vantage,which was totally unconnected with the Garda Recruitment Process.

If,as you suggest,the Grada Recruitment "System" had worked,then Mr Iqbal would not have entered the Training College at all.

In order for him to get through the gates in Templemore,he had to comprehensively decieve TWO seperate State Agencies,the Irish Naturalization & Immigration Service AND the Public Appointments Service,something Mr Iqbal not only succeeded in doing,but also maintained that deception for Three Years.

This,to some,may indicate a functioning vetting system,but to many interested observers,it points to significant weaknesses in the process,

Also of interest,it appears from today's accounts,that Mr Iqbal did not voluntarily resign at all.....

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2488166/garda-recruit-forced-to-resign-after-he-paid-e15000-to-marry-lesbian-from-eastern-europe-so-he-could-stay-in-ireland/



It is of some interest that Mr Iqbal has been offered the facility to leave Ireland voluntarily,a somewhat questionable decision,given the evidence thus far made public about,what could well be serious criminal charges surrounding deception,and availing of an Illegal sham Marriage.

The desire to see this Gentleman (and perhaps the other THREE people directly involved) rapidly leave the State,appears a tad ill-considered,particularly given his 5 Months of access to The Garda College (a facility NOT generally available to legitimate Irish Citizens).

It may well be that pc7's post is relevant here...



One element is certain,It was the Gardai themselves,not the other responsible agencies,who investigated and identified Mr Iqbal and his associates.

Well done to the GNIB,a section of AGS often targetted,and subjected to unwarranted ire in this State.

Excellent post, thank you.
I agree.

I highlighted the part in bold, can you imagine if he tried exactly this in USA, how they would treat him upon being caught?

I think a lot of these guys are in absolutely no doubt, there is a disproportionately low risk of consequences for such actions here in Ireland.
I would not be surprised if he didn't bother leaving the country, why would he seriously. Clearly he dismisses our policies as it is. Why start following them now that he is being asked to leave, plus he is then down €15k

gozunda

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Please define a non-national.

We know it's not liked by all but it is used in various contexts

Rather than go through multiple pages on that specific discussion - I'll just leave this here

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057806190/1

irishproduce

Glass fused light wrote: »

Apologies bad use of English let me rephrase myself.

To be fair the bangladeshis don't have to be doctors they can work working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, and IT or come on holidays and not be dodgy.
But should not get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS, or Spar as the bangladeshis who work in these occupations are by default classified as dodgy by the OP

Yes, that is a good summary of my point.
I think a Bangladeshi man working in general retail, call centre, general assembly in factories, farm labour, truck driver (and plenty of others similar jobs) should be scrutinised robustly.

None of those positions suffer from labour or skills shortages.
Therefore, if we have some chap from south east Asia, here entering that job, then that should be examined robustly.

Jaysus, nevermind trying to get into our policing service.

If they are married to Úna the teacher from Kenmare or Zahira the Doctor from Dhaka but working in St Vincents, then great, good for them, carry on and if you need help with anything further, let us know.

If they are married to Lima from Vilnius or are missing a few parts of their student visa, then they should be hauled in, scrutinised closely and the investigating party commended for their efforts.

irishproduce

Doltanian wrote: »

Cases like this make me an advocate for retention of the Irish Language as a requirement for joining the Gardai. There is certain jobs and professions which should be off limit to non-nationals for interests of National Security and Culture Preservation.

Teaching pretty much meets your criteria.
Irish leaving cert is needed.

irishproduce

D Trent wrote: »

Didn't take long to find the chap on boards ��
<snip>

:pac:

You know, I would love if boards would ask him would he be willing to do the ASK ME ANYTHING thread before he leaves Ireland (tee hee).
I have never taken part but would love to ask him a few questions.
I bet it would be fascinating to actually engage with him on the subject on what does he actually think of our immigration and security procedures?
What do the lads he keeps as friends think of it? What do the lads back in Bangladesh think of it?

By the looks of the thread he was posting in, he got lots of useful and helpful, information.
I would love to see him offer some back to all of us about what lads really think in the real world so to speak.

Kivaro

D Trent wrote: »

Didn't take long to find the chap on boards ��
<snip>

How many more of these scam artists do we have on boards?

I'd imagine a fair amount, based on some of the incredulous posts on here.

Kivaro

irishproduce wrote: »

:pac:
By the looks of the thread he was posting in, he got lots of useful and helpful, information.

Well, one of the threads he created last year was how to get to Templemore by public transportation?
One of the funny responses was "I sincerely hope your not pursuing a career as a detective."

In fairness though, what kind of aptitude tests are the Gardai using for entrance to the force. If this fine gentleman could satisfy the requirements to get into the Garda College then someone should look at the process. There is a sense that there was a breakdown in the acceptance criteria.

Unless of course, he received special dispensation due to the colour of his skin or possibly his religion.

You would also have to wonder how many more unqualified Gardai are now on the streets due to a possible quota for foreign applicants?

ohnonotgmail

Kivaro wrote: »

Well, one of the threads he created last year was how to get to Templemore by public transportation?
One of the funny responses was "I sincerely hope your not pursuing a career as a detective."

In fairness though, what kind of aptitude tests are the Gardai using for entrance to the force. If this fine gentleman could satisfy the requirements to get into the Garda College then someone should look at the process. There is a sense that there was a breakdown in the acceptance criteria.

Unless of course, he received special dispensation due to the colour of his skin or possibly his religion.

You would also have to wonder how many more unqualified Gardai are now on the streets due to a possible quota for foreign applicants?

surely you would have to establish there is a quota before spending time wondering about it?