Bangladeshi Trainee Garda and His Sham Marriage

K.Flyer

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I have no issue with deporting him. He shouldn't be here. Others want to confiscate all the cash he earned legally through his businesses. And it was earned legally unless somebody has information to the contrary.

Given his interests in illegal activity and the proliferation of illegal sham marriages, his assets should be seized until investigated as to the legitimacy of his financial sources.

Geuze

One of the criminals involved in sham marriages has, at last, been caught and deported.

He arranged over 100 sham marriages between Asian men and Latvian women.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/game-over-for-cricket-playing-sham-marriage-organiser-1.3504789

Timeline

Enters Ireland, claims asylum

He is a bogus asylum-seeker

His bogus asylum claim was correctly rejected over and over, which is common, but the illegal immigrant is then allowed to appeal, over and over again.

Each appeal was rejected.

"Ramzan had married a Latvian woman himself in Co Tipperary in 2009. That sham union took place just weeks after his application for asylum was rejected for the final time on appeal.

He ultimately gained Irish residency and opted to remain on in Ireland and organise sham marriages for other Asian men.
Ramzan developed criminal contacts in Riga, Latvia, who sourced the brides. They flew to Dublin for the wedding ceremonies; Ramzan personally booked more than 100 flights out of Riga for the brides.

However, five years ago when the Garda clamped down hard on sham marriages, Ramzan was one of the key ringleaders targeted under Operation Vantage."

irishproduce

I have to say I am happy to hear that.
These guys are having a completely and utter ball off the back of us here.

Trying to close the stable door when the horse is well gone galloping off into the distance.

Are Am Eye

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Trying to close the stable door when the horse is well gone galloping off into the distance.

I thought the problem was all these horses trying to get into the
stable?

gozunda

Are Am Eye wrote: »

I thought the problem was all these horses trying to get into the
stable?

Just because you're born or living in a stable doesnt mean you're a horse ....

old_aussie

A sham marriage you say.

That's the norm for him.

Geuze

More information on the scale of sham marriages today:


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/more-than-1-000-marriages-in-republic-confirmed-as-illegal-1.3536635

More than 1,000 confirmed.

"The Irish Times has learned while Garda files have been prepared on 1,200 such marriages, the major Garda investigation into the scam is continuing."

Yet I see that UL is giving scholarship to asylum-seekers!!!

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/319370/ul-to-offer-scholarships-worth-1-8-million-to-refugees-and-asylum-seekers.html


We know that 50% of AS during 2015 were Asian men coming from the UK.

See here, section 3.2:

http://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS72.pdf


"Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants accounted for 50 per cent of all asylum
applications in Ireland in 2015, at 9 per cent and 41 per cent respectively (see
Figure 1.4). The majority of these applicants, according to IPO, had previously been resident in the UK. The influx of Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants contributed to asylum application figures doubling between 2014 and 2015 (see Figure 1.3).

The Minister for Justice and Equality reported that the Irish government was
working with the authorities in the UK to address the issue of young men from
Bangladesh and Pakistan who were present on UK visas there coming to Ireland to seek asylum (Lynch, 2015)."

Captain Obvious

Geuze wrote: »

More information on the scale of sham marriages today:


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/more-than-1-000-marriages-in-republic-confirmed-as-illegal-1.3536635

More than 1,000 confirmed.

"The Irish Times has learned while Garda files have been prepared on 1,200 such marriages, the major Garda investigation into the scam is continuing."

Yet I see that UL is giving scholarship to asylum-seekers!!!

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/319370/ul-to-offer-scholarships-worth-1-8-million-to-refugees-and-asylum-seekers.html


We know that 50% of AS during 2015 were Asian men coming from the UK.

See here, section 3.2:

http://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS72.pdf


"Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants accounted for 50 per cent of all asylum
applications in Ireland in 2015, at 9 per cent and 41 per cent respectively (see
Figure 1.4). The majority of these applicants, according to IPO, had previously been resident in the UK. The influx of Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants contributed to asylum application figures doubling between 2014 and 2015 (see Figure 1.3).

The Minister for Justice and Equality reported that the Irish government was
working with the authorities in the UK to address the issue of young men from
Bangladesh and Pakistan who were present on UK visas there coming to Ireland to seek asylum (Lynch, 2015)."

"Herp derp, we don't need unskilled labour"


UL: "We'll give them an education."


"WTF, we don't want them learning stuff."

TheManTheMyth

If it took months of surveillance to catch out 13 guys i dont fancy our chances on deporting 1000 criminals, never the less, great work by the law.

Is a sham marriage a gay wedding in Limerick?

topper75

Geuze wrote: »

...Yet I see that UL is giving scholarship to asylum-seekers!!!

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/319370/ul-to-offer-scholarships-worth-1-8-million-to-refugees-and-asylum-seekers.html

Captain Obvious wrote: »

"Herp derp, we don't need unskilled labour"


UL: "We'll give them an education."


"WTF, we don't want them learning stuff."

Depends who THEY are really.

If GRANTED refugee status - some merit to it for all parties.

But asylum SEEKERS - WTF? Could be complete chancers - we don't know but you would happily see them get a place in one of our universities all paid for?

No big surprise though given the agenda dosh that Chuck Open Borders Feeney has thrown UL's direction and his funding of a group called Doras Luimni in Limerick, an org that purports to help new arrivals as vulnerable people, but sees all would turn up here as legitimate regardless of anything.

Funny how none of the foreign folks I work with every day never needed their services.

If you are OK with these billionaire machinations fine. But don't whinge then about our politicians being marionettes for corporations and everything being made toxic by big business donations like Ray being paid by Shell etc.

Because it is either OK to meddle or not.

Myself, I'm agin it.

Captain Obvious

topper75 wrote: »

Depends who THEY are really.

Yes, I figured.

topper75 wrote: »

If GRANTED refugee status - some merit to it for all parties.

But asylum SEEKERS - WTF? Could be complete chancers - we don't know but you would happily see them get a place in one of our universities all paid for?

No big surprise though given the agenda dosh that Chuck Open Borders Feeney has thrown UL's direction and his funding of a group called Doras Luimni in Limerick, an org that purports to help new arrivals as vulnerable people, but sees all would turn up here as legitimate regardless of anything.

Funny how none of the foreign folks I work with every day never needed their services.

If you are OK with these billionaire machinations fine. But don't whinge then about our politicians being marionettes for corporations and everything being made toxic by big business donations like Ray being paid by Shell etc.

Because it is either OK to meddle or not.

Myself, I'm agin it.

Have you looked at the eligibility requirements?

topper75

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Have you looked at the eligibility requirements?

The reqs don't appear in that article. Can you direct me to them please?

I'd be keen to see what distinctions they make if any between asylum SEEKERS and those who have been granted asylum. The article suggests both are eligible.

Whilst casting my eye over that article again the Sanctuary thing stood out. Not clear from the article what that involves. I hope it isn't some thing like the college deeming itself the arbiter of who gets to come in and stay here ahead of those horrid wolves in the institutions of an elected government.

That whole sanctuary city thing in America is a little arrogant but not an unusual mindset in a federal setup accustomed to separate state law. In our Ireland, there can be no special cases in law.

Captain Obvious

topper75 wrote: »

The reqs don't appear in that article. Can you direct me to them please?

I'd be keen to see what distinctions they make if any between asylum SEEKERS and those who have been granted asylum. The article suggests both are eligible.

Whilst casting my eye over that article again the Sanctuary thing stood out. Not clear from the article what that involves. I hope it isn't some thing like the college deeming itself the arbiter of who gets to come in and stay here ahead of those horrid wolves in the institutions of an elected government.

That whole sanctuary city thing in America is a little arrogant but not an unusual mindset in a federal setup accustomed to separate state law. In our Ireland, there can be no special cases in law.

They are here.


https://www.ul.ie/news-centre/news/ul-announces-new-four-year-scholarships-for-asylum-seekers-and-refugees/

deletthis

It's a joke really.

Myself, 8 years Policing experience in UK with exemplary service record. Can't join AGS because I don't speak a second language. Go figure.

Captain Obvious

deletthis wrote: »

It's a joke really.

Myself, 8 years Policing experience in UK with exemplary service record. Can't join AGS because I don't speak a second language. Go figure.

Have you tried learning a second language like every other person who joins?

deletthis

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Have you tried learning a second language like every other person who joins?

By every other person who joins I assume you mean the vast majority who qualify through leaving cert level in Irish but couldn't actually hold a conversation in the language?

Captain Obvious

deletthis wrote: »

By every other person who joins I assume you mean the vast majority who qualify through leaving cert level in Irish but couldn't actually hold a conversation in the language?

Actually most Irish people would have three languages. French or German is taking by a large proportion of leaving cert students. You also have to pass an Irish test in the college which includes an oral exam.


But if it makes you feel better you can compare yourself to any of the non-Irish applicants, who also have to learn Irish in the college.

deletthis

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Actually most Irish people would have three languages. French or German is taking by a large proportion of leaving cert students. You also have to pass an Irish test in the college which includes an oral exam.


But if it makes you feel better you can compare yourself to any of the non-Irish applicants, who also have to learn Irish in the college.

I'd happily undertake to learn Irish to the required level if part of the training programme (it's my understanding that it is not, and a suitable level is required to be demonstrated on application if you don't hold the necessary Q's). My point was more around how experience is disregarded in the face of not having a second language, something that never hindered me in 8 years policing London.

Kivaro

Captain Obvious wrote: »

But if it makes you feel better you can compare yourself to any of the non-Irish applicants, who also have to learn Irish in the college.

Really cannot take your arrogance or condescending attitude anymore.
You seem to have oodles of time to post on boards since you re-joined, so fair play to your employer for allowing you such latitude.

Don't bother replying, as you are on my ignore list.

Captain Obvious

deletthis wrote: »

I'd happily undertake to learn Irish to the required level if part of the training programme (it's my understanding that it is not, and a suitable level is required to be demonstrated on application if you don't hold the necessary Q's). My point was more around how experience is disregarded in the face of not having a second language, something that never hindered me in 8 years policing London.

The UK doesn't have two official languages though. In Ireland a Garda can be required to deal with a person in Irish. And yes, Irish is part of the training program in the Garda college.

deletthis

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The UK doesn't have two official languages though. In Ireland a Garda can be required to deal with a person in Irish. And yes, Irish is part of the training program in the Garda college.

I'd argue that it's probably equally common if not more so to encounter a second language amongst London's communities. Dealt with people from Caribbean, Somali, Bangladeshi, Pakistani communities on a daily basis not to mention the constant stream of European and Chinese/Japanese tourists. Never tripped me up.

Captain Obvious

deletthis wrote: »

I'd argue that it's probably equally common if not more so to encounter a second language amongst London's communities. Dealt with people from Caribbean, Somali, Bangladeshi, Pakistani communities on a daily basis not to mention the constant stream of European and Chinese/Japanese tourists. Never tripped me up.

Sorry, you are missing the point. You have to be able to do certain parts of the job in Irish. It is a requirement. It is an official language with the same priority as English. You cannot delay a person on the side of the road as you look for a translator to come to the scene for something basic like demanding a name.

Glass fused light

deletthis wrote: »

I'd argue that it's probably equally common if not more so to encounter a second language amongst London's communities. Dealt with people from Caribbean, Somali, Bangladeshi, Pakistani communities on a daily basis not to mention the constant stream of European and Chinese/Japanese tourists. Never tripped me up.

None of the people listed has a legal right to communicate with a Police officer in any other language except English.

In the Irish force, the Garda has to accept that a person from any of the communities listed above has a legal right to communicate in Irish or in English.

weldoninhio

Glass fused light wrote: »

None of the people listed has a legal right to communicate with a Police officer in any other language except English.

In the Irish force, the Garda has to accept that a person from any of the communities listed above has a legal right to communicate in Irish or in English.

So this sham bangledeshi was a Gaelgoir??

Edit: looked it up. Irish is not a requirement to be a Garda any more.

Captain Obvious

weldoninhio wrote: »

So this sham bangledeshi was a Gaelgoir??

Edit: looked it up. Irish is not a requirement to be a Garda any more.

Not to get in, to graduate.

deletthis

Irish not a requirement, second language is however.

I fully understand & appreciate the requirement to be able to deal in Irish as protected by the constitution etc.

However, if I spoke Swahili I would technically be eligible, and no better off in the roadside situation you describe.

ohnonotgmail

deletthis wrote: »

Irish not a requirement, second language is however.

I fully understand & appreciate the requirement to be able to deal in Irish as protected by the constitution etc.

However, if I spoke Swahili I would technically be eligible, and no better off in the roadside situation you describe.

except you have to pass an irish exam before you graduate from templemore.

deletthis

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

except you have to pass an irish exam before you graduate from templemore.

Maybe worth clarifying my understanding here. When I looked to apply previously, if you didn't hold a second languge qualification an oral exam was required at application. Are we saying that is no longer/was never the case?

Captain Obvious

deletthis wrote: »

Maybe worth clarifying my understanding here. When I looked to apply previously, if you didn't hold a second languge qualification an oral exam was required at application. Are we saying that is no longer/was never the case?

If you don't hold a second language you can do an exam along with your application to be accepted into the college. Once in the college you then must pass Irish written, aural and oral exams to graduate.

weldoninhio

deletthis wrote: »

Irish not a requirement, second language is however.

I fully understand & appreciate the requirement to be able to deal in Irish as protected by the constitution etc.

However, if I spoke Swahili I would technically be eligible, and no better off in the roadside situation you describe.

Ridiculous rule.

Flies in the face of gaslights “In the Irish force, the Garda has to accept that a person from any of the communities listed above has a legal right to communicate in Irish or in English.” though. How’s a Filipino or Bangladeshi Garda gonna talk with someone in Irish if their second language is not Irish.

ohnonotgmail

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ridiculous rule.

Flies in the face of gaslights “In the Irish force, the Garda has to accept that a person from any of the communities listed above has a legal right to communicate in Irish or in English.” though. How’s a Filipino or Bangladeshi Garda gonna talk with someone in Irish if their second language is not Irish.

because they have to learn irish in templemore.

deletthis

deletthis wrote: »

My point was more around how experience is disregarded in the face of not having a second language, something that never hindered me in 8 years policing London.

Why only 8 years?

deletthis

Captain Obvious wrote: »

If you don't hold a second language you can do an exam along with your application to be accepted into the college. Once in the college you then must pass Irish written, aural and oral exams to graduate.

Ergo, not eligible. Would love to learn Irish, Templemore would be perfect setting but juggling family and a very demanding full time job is enough without further study at this point

deletthis

deletthis wrote: »

Irish not a requirement, second language is however.

I fully understand & appreciate the requirement to be able to deal in Irish as protected by the constitution etc.

However, if I spoke Swahili I would technically be eligible, and no better off in the roadside situation you describe.

You have to learn Irish in the college, & pass exams, oral & written.

deletthis

bubblypop wrote: »

Why only 8 years?

Moved to Dublin. Commute was too much.

Glass fused light

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ridiculous rule.

Flies in the face of gaslights “In the Irish force, the Garda has to accept that a person from any of the communities listed above has a legal right to communicate in Irish or in English.” though. How’s a Filipino or Bangladeshi Garda gonna talk with someone in Irish if their second language is not Irish.

They learn a additional language, Irish, same as they learned English

Mrs OBumble

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because they have to learn irish in templemore.

Someone who already has 2+ languages will probably do a better job of learning Irish than most of you did in 14 years at school.

Captain Obvious

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Someone who already has 2+ languages will probably do a better job of learning Irish than most of you did in 14 years at school.

Probably, but someone with only one language will not.