Late Late Show April 27th

mzungu

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Engaging in drunken sex, or unprotected sex through nothing more than desire.

That's a big claim. Do you have any proof?

Also, are you against sex in general outside of procreational purposes?

Lia_lia

The obstetrician came across very well. He speaks very eloquently.

pleas advice

Uncharted wrote: »

Ah heeur,leeve it ouh......

thats what.. she.. said...?

Try_harder

RobertKK wrote: »

It is not healthcare when it is healthy woman, wanting to end the lives of healthy unborn.

Do you know much about how pregnancy affects a woman and impacts on their medical treatments???

Mountainsandh

trashcan wrote: »

Don't think so. The doctors were far more reasonable and logical. No side burying their heads in the sand, sticking fingers in their ears. No acknowledgment of the realities of what's happening.

Yeah it was like the grown ups on the left, the dramatic teenagers on the right.

Hotblack Desiato

NAGDEFI wrote: »

You can't say you're a practising Catholic without ridicule. We don't condone child abuse.

You support an organisation which is covering up and excusing and minimising abuse though.

You are putting money in the basket every Sunday which is going towards giving comfortable homes and pensions to convicted paedophiles.

Wrongway1985

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

A question for people who, like me, are opposed to abortion: If a close female relative or friend asked for your financial assistance with the expense of a journey to England for an abortion, would you turn her away? She has made up her mind 100% and if you aren’t prepared to help, she’ll still have the abortion, but it’ll take her several weeks to save the money. Several miserable weeks, during which the foetus will continue to develop and the required procedure will become more and more complex and invasive.

Would you simply tell this person, whom you deeply love and care about, that you’re simply not prepared to assist with the procurement of an abortion, as it goes against your strongly-held moral beliefs? Or would you accept that it is not about you, and give her whatever help she requires, especially if it means that the abortion will take place at an earlier stage of the pregnancy?

As someone voting Yes, I'm aware question isn't for me but would suggest if that was a situation that you are that close with the person isn't it highly probable they are aware of your beliefs so you won't be asked?. Things will be done in the underground without your knowledge and with the 8th in place no proper care for the loved one.

Try_harder

The 8th Ammendment is a very bad law

Thepoet85

RobertKK wrote:

I'm voting no, hard cases make bad laws and healthy women having the lives of healthy unborn ended is wrong for me. People should be supportive of women in crisis pregnancies as should the state and work to make the lives of all easier.

They certainly should be. But what if said lady wants to have the abortion for her own reasons, why should she be denied the choice just because something sits wrong with you.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in abortions unless absolutely necessary, I've a daughter aged 5 weeks. But I feel every woman should have the right to make the decision for herself, and that's why I'll be voting yes.

BorneTobyWilde

mzungu wrote: »

That is a big claim. Do you have proof?

So you think all these abortions are from loving couples, married or otherwise, and it's through pure greed that they kill the unborn child as they can't bare to share their precious lives with another.

pleas advice

LizT wrote: »

There will be no provision for abortion purely on the case of Downs Syndrome. It can't be detected before 12 weeks. It was introduced by the no side to muddy the waters of this debate.

No, but it may be available under the 'mental health' clause

amdublin

RobertKK wrote: »

It is not healthcare when it is healthy woman, wanting to end the lives of healthy unborn.

Which is happening right now. We export our women to England. Or they order pills online and take them in bedrooms without medical advice.

We need to grow up as a country.

Larbre34

The fact 'No' couldnt rustle up a medic to stand to post says a lot. Boylan handed them their ass as usual.

Tubridy did great, gave everyone due time, kept it moving, kept it civil. Anyone who says he showed bias, is showing deliberate bias themselves, and simply talking boll1x.

RobertKK

Try_harder wrote: »

Do you know much about how pregnancy affects a woman and impacts on their medical treatments???

The reports found the hospital didn't provide the standard of care expected and it mismanaged sepsis, which resulted in the hospital paying compensation to the family of Savita.

Yer Da sells Avon

RobertKK wrote: »

I'm voting no, hard cases make bad laws and healthy women having the lives of healthy unborn ended is wrong for me. People should be supportive of women in crisis pregnancies as should the state and work to make the lives of all easier.

It's wrong for you, is it? Are you aware of the health risks associated even with a normal, healthy pregnancy? The months of nausea, the vomiting, the anemia, the pelvic floor damage, the scarring, the physical pain of giving birth… And of course, the rarer, but very real and life-threatening risks that rear their heads late in a pregnancy – eclampsia, blood-loss, cardiac problems…

Are you honestly prepared to accept those risks on other people's behalf, just because abortion is wrong for you?

Hotblack Desiato

An Ri rua wrote: »

Forget your sentimentalism. Life is life. Life hurts. Its cruel and harsh. But no matter what, life must live. Pro choice is a navel gazing exercise. You can dress it up how you want.

I'm guessing you're a male, right?

mzungu

Mountainsandh wrote: »

was there a draw tonight ? the game thing ???

There was no draw tonight.

An Ri rua

NAGDEFI wrote:

Posts like this are typical of the so called liberals. They mock others' beliefs. You can't say you're a practising Catholic without ridicule. We don't condone child abuse. We abhor the many scandals but we believe in the message of Christ, imperfectly implemented by mankind. But we have a right not to be ridiculed.

Hear hear, religious exploration is an intellectual pursuit. And more.
Anyone who feels safe in their reality is usually rigidly attached to a dogma, be it materialistic science or whatever religion takes their fancy.
Its very low brow to have a pop at someone's beliefs without attempting to grapple with the issues.
Unfortunately, issues run a little deeper than sentimental populist guff.
E.g most of the pro-lifers probably eat meat. FFS. A number of the pro-choice are probably raving leftie vegans.
Christ on a bike. You bunch of f##king children...

pleas advice

amdublin wrote: »

I really feel none of what have you posted is about women and their healthcare which is what the 8th amendment is about

abortion, the ending of a human life, is what its about

Try_harder

RobertKK wrote: »

I'm voting no, hard cases make bad laws and healthy women having the lives of healthy unborn ended is wrong for me. People should be supportive of women in crisis pregnancies as should the state and work to make the lives of all easier.

The 8th amendment is a bad law bourne out of religious interference- its dreadful legislation that has lead to womens deaths in Ireland

screamer

amdublin wrote: »

screamer wrote: »

We have lots of illegal things in Ireland which people are partaking in, heroin, cocaine, prostitution, and who knows what else. When we legislate to legalise those things that people do in secrecy, without supervision, then, I might think about voting yes for abortion. But will good old Ireland try to legislate or de-criminalize drugs/ prostitution etc? Hell no, and I'll be voting no.

I really feel none of what have you posted is about women and their healthcare which is what the 8th amendment is about

No, it's about a far easier to legislate area where people are dying from addicition, something that they cannot help themselves out of, and we have no will nor desire to legislate to legalise that and make it safer for addicts to access services nor healthcare. Yet, legislating to kill healthy little babies is top of our agenda! For shame.

RobertKK

Larbre34 wrote: »

The fact 'No' couldnt rustle up a medic to stand to post says a lot. Boylan handed them their ass as usual.

Tubridy did great, gave everyone due time, kept it moving, kept it civil. Anyone who says he showed bias, is showing deliberate bias themselves, and simply talking boll1x.

No had a doctor.

Boylan has been a hardcore abortion advocate for years. He came across very well for yes voters, don't think he was as convincing for other voters.

Lemonposset

Uncharted wrote: »

Abortions are freely available to all Irish women. Ultimately it's a matter of whether the funds to have one are available.

So...not free then

BorneTobyWilde

mzungu wrote: »

That's a big claim. Do you have any proof?

Also, are you against sex in general outside of procreational purposes?

A Mormon girl is more likely to be reading a book or baking cupcakes on a Saturday night than falling around the street drunk in a skimpy outfit and having sex with some random.

amdublin

pleas advice wrote: »

abortion, the ending of a human life, is what its about

I'd really appreciate if you could consider the life of the actual living woman

RobertKK

Try_harder wrote: »

The 8th amendment is a bad law bourne out of religious interference- its dreadful legislation that has lead to womens deaths in Ireland

Yet the Yes side have to use women that died where reports didn't state the 8th as a reason.
Peter Boylan used 4 women yesterday but no report backed up his claims.

mzungu

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Meaningless sex, drunken sex, sex through nothing but desire.

Nothing at all wrong with meaningless sex or desire. Having drunken sex is crap, but there is no harm there as long as both parties consent.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Do couples in marriages and long term relationships get abortions, just because they don't want to share the remote? If so then I can't agree with that.

Try_harder

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

A Mormon girl is more likely to be reading a book or baking cupcakes on a Saturday night than falling around the street drunk in a skimpy outfit and having sex with some random.

What about the Mormon boy???

Hotblack Desiato

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly what is wrong with the Repeal campaign. Too many virtue signallers that have no respect for the opinions of others that disagree with them.

Can you discuss the points raised, or must you resort to ad hominem and appeals to emotion as is par for the No side course...?

If you have a valid argument, I'm all ears. Honestly. It'll be a first!

Uncharted

Lemonposset wrote: »

So...not free then

You know quite well what I meant by that.
Im making the point that there has been abortion available to Irish women for years. Unfortunately only those who could afford it financially could avail of it....

DickSwiveller

mzungu wrote: »

Nothing at all wrong with meaningless sex or desire. Having drunken sex is crap, but there is no harm there as long as both parties consent.

What a load of nonsense. What about all the children born who have no father in their lives? Great, isn't it?

An Ri rua

Try_harder wrote:

The 8th amendment is a bad law bourne out of religious interference- its dreadful legislation that has lead to womens deaths in Ireland

The Bourne Legacy

NAGDEFI

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

You want to force women to be pregnant when they don't want to be and then force the trauma of unwanted birth upon them.

What a hero.

You want women to have an abortion and take an innocent life? Trauma of childbirth? It's been taking place for millenia. God help you if you ever had to fight in a war etc. Typical me, me, me individualistic attitude of our age.

And yes abortion will become a method of contraception.

I'm no hero but I don't take cheap shots laughing at the 1950s. In 60 years time the 2010s may be looked on far worse. Huge suicide rates, men with no role, a society where the numbers watching porn only lowers during the Toy Show. Yeah a golden era.

donkeykong5

Try_harder wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

When the elderly man and his ill wife went to bed in their own home. If some scumbag who is known to target elderly people and terrorise and Rob them came off worse for a change. Then of course it's not murder. It's self defence.

In all circumstances? Surely it would depend on the force used and how

Yeah the force of an elderly law abiding man against a burglar a third of his age armed with a weapon entering his home. That he had already stalked with his friend. Another cowardly scumbag with numerous convictions for burglary and terrorising the vulnerable older population. !

screamer

amdublin wrote: »

pleas advice wrote: »

abortion, the ending of a human life, is what its about

I'd really appreciate if you could consider the life of the actual living woman

The actual living woman has rights to access abortion in the UK, there are options and choices if she wishes.....the unborn little baby has no protection if we remove the 8th amendment, and no right to anything, but sure don't let a little thing like that stand in your way.

Try_harder

RobertKK wrote: »

Yet the Yes side have to use women that died where reports didn't state the 8th as a reason.
Peter Boylan used 4 women yesterday but no report backed up his claims.

You know Irelands recording of maternal deaths didnt meeti international best practice and by international best practice the deaths of so many women in pregnancy since 1983 would be the inability to procure an abortion while the foetus had a heartbeat

Hotblack Desiato

screamer wrote: »

We have lots of illegal things in Ireland which people are partaking in, heroin, cocaine, prostitution, and who knows what else. When we legislate to legalise those things that people do in secrecy, without supervision, then, I might think about voting yes for abortion.

Do you think a momentary shot of an illegal drug is in any way comparable to a nine month pregnancy and birth?

As a fellow man, I'd be most interested to hear your perspective on giving birth....

SusieBlue

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

A Mormon girl is more likely to be reading a book or baking cupcakes on a Saturday night than falling around the street drunk in a skimpy outfit and having sex with some random.

Sounds like you have a bigger issue with women in general than with abortion tbh.

Yer Da sells Avon

Nobody is talking about Ryan Tubridy, which is a reliable indicator that he did a good job.

RobertKK

Here is what the French president said last month when he went to address the Catholic bishops of the country:
“You consider that our duty is to protect life, especially when this life is defenseless. Between the life of the unborn child, that of being on the threshold of death, or that of the refugee who has lost everything, you see this common trait of deprivation, nakedness and absolute vulnerability”.

NAGDEFI

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

You support an organisation which is covering up and excusing and minimising abuse though.

You are putting money in the basket every Sunday which is going towards giving comfortable homes and pensions to convicted paedophiles.

There are as many paedophiles in all walks of life but you can throw that in and collect your likes. Many great men in the church and women.

Try_harder

Tropic Thunder is on BBC1

amdublin

NAGDEFI wrote: »

And yes abortion will become a method of contraception.

.

No wants an abortion full stop. No one wants one as contraception for definite.

The pain, the bleeding, the emotion, the hormonal upset.
Do I need to describe the pain?
Do I need to describe the bleeding?

Is this what you think of women?

LizT

screamer wrote: »

The actual living woman has rights to access abortion in the UK, there are options and choices if she wishes.....the unborn little baby has no protection if we remove the 8th amendment, and no right to anything, but sure don't let a little thing like that stand in your way.

So it's grand for women to have abortions as long as it doesn't take place in Ireland?

Not every woman has the means to take time off work/school, book a flight and a hotel and travel for abortion.

An Ri rua

mzungu wrote:

Nothing at all wrong with meaningless sex or desire. Having drunken sex is crap, but there is no harm there as long as both parties consent.

This is possibly correct, based on legislation and the law of Ireland. But its a bit loose to say theres nothing wrong with it. That's just a personal opinion stated. Is there a kbock-on effect,a residual effect? I suspect there is. But I'm only asking. Anthropologists, philosophers, esotericists etc could agree with you. Or perhaps not.

mzungu

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So you think all these abortions are from loving couples, married or otherwise, and it's through pure greed that they kill the unborn child as they can't bare to share their precious lives with another.

It is between the parties involved and a medical professional. It's none of my business who they are or where they are from.

screamer

screamer wrote: »

The actual living woman has rights to access abortion in the UK, there are options and choices if she wishes.....the unborn little baby has no protection if we remove the 8th amendment, and no right to anything, but sure don't let a little thing like that stand in your way.

This post is just one big contradiction.

Larbre34

Quinn, McGuirk ,Ganley all calling what they watched a resounding triumph.

Graham Norton really mustve been good, i must look for it on catchup...

amdublin

screamer wrote: »

The actual living woman has rights to access abortion in the UK, there are options and choices if she wishes.....the unborn little baby has no protection if we remove the 8th amendment, and no right to anything, but sure don't let a little thing like that stand in your way.

You want to continue sending, our women suffering already with ffa, or having been raped, or a crisis pregnancy, - across to England??

It's ok to go to the UK for abortion, but not ok here?

Why do you want to punish women at times of crisis?

pleas advice

Try_harder wrote: »

Tropic Thunder is on BBC1

Little Miss Sunshine on RTE, haven't seen it