Manchester Utd. Vs. Arsenal 16:30 : Arsene`s final furlong

StringerBell

The game changer

Utds form against the top sides has been impressive this season

If only we could have gotten more results against the weaker sides like today we could have been much closer to a title challenge
Hopefully that's 2nd place secured

StringerBell

Quazzie wrote: »

With the team that Arsenal put out, and with their away form, to only win this with a 90th minute long ball is embarrassing for United.

Not as embarrassing as your season.

Mr.Nice Guy

A good day for United. Champions League football secured, almost within reach of guaranteeing 2nd, and there's an FA Cup Final to look forward to as well. Very healthy progression from where the club was a year ago.

Best crisis season ever.

WoollyRedHat

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Utds form against the top sides has been impressive this season

If only we could have gotten more results against the weaker sides like today we could have been much closer to a title challenge
Hopefully that's 2nd place secured

Sorry but when you're relying on Fellani to win against weaker sides like Arsenal, you don't challenge against City. Take De Gea out of equation and you don't get 2nd.

StringerBell

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Sorry but when you're relying on Fellani to win against weaker sides like Arsenal, you don't challenge against City. Take De Gea out of equation and you don't get 2nd.

Suppose that is the genius in allowing de gea to play eh

WoollyRedHat

StringerBell wrote: »

Not as embarrassing as your season.

We`re in semi-final against Athletico on Thursday..could be worse. Below first nobody remembers down the line.

Good luck in the FA Cup final.

ArielAtom

Need to sign another big man with Zlatan gone, no plan C if required😉

WoollyRedHat

StringerBell wrote: »

Suppose that is the genius in allowing de gea to play eh

Only by the grace of fax ey. .. no need to be obtuse, my point was pretty clear.. Man United are massively reliant on De Gea, without him you`re in trouble. What Arsenal would give for a keeper like him.

StringerBell

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

We`re in semi-final against Athletico on Thursday..could be worse. Below first nobody remembers down the line.

Good luck in the FA Cup final.

Thanks, and good luck to you too.

Getting to the semi final has been one hell of an achievement, I'm sure you will remember it even though you say nobody remembers unless your first

sReq | uTeK

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Sorry but when you're relying on Fellani to win against weaker sides like Arsenal, you don't challenge against City. Take De Gea out of equation and you don't get 2nd.

take pep and raft of the city players out of the mix and they don’t win the league.....what an utterly bizarre logic

WoollyRedHat

StringerBell wrote: »

Thanks, and good luck to you too.

Getting to the semi final has been one hell of an achievement, I'm sure you will remember it even though you say nobody remembers unless your first

Thanks but we could still get to the final !

PhlegmyMoses

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Only by the grace of fax ey. .. no need to be obtuse, my point was pretty clear.. Man United are massively reliant on De Gea, without him you`re in trouble. What Arsenal would give for a keeper like him.

United are not massively reliant on de Gea. People that say that have only watched a handful of our games this season.

StringerBell

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Only by the grace of fax ey. .. no need to be obtuse, my point was pretty clear.. Man United are massively reliant on De Gea, without him you`re in trouble. What Arsenal would give for a keeper like him.

Yeah, the only problem with that theory is it's outdated.

We have been massively reliant on the keeper and it didn't get us in the top four.

Now we are not as reliant on him and we are comfortably second and improved big time even in a year on year basis.

Mr.Nice Guy

Redknapp earlier bemoaned Jose's decision to turn to Fellaini and now he's talking about it being an inspired move. He must be one of the worst pundits out there. Offers nothing of substance and his narrative of events is purely based upon the outcome. Had the game ended 1-1 he'd be saying the total opposite of what he's saying now. Total spoofer.

WoollyRedHat

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

take pep and raft of the city players out of the mix and they don’t win the league.....what an utterly bizarre logic

How is that bizzare logic. Man City are a more complete team than Manchester United... they are not as reliant on one player as Man United are.. I think that's a fair comment.

Lithium93_

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Redknapp earlier bemoaned Jose's decision to turn to Fellaini and now he's talking about it being an inspired move. He must be one of the worst pundits out there. Offers nothing of substance and his narrative of events is purely based upon the outcome. Had the game ended 1-1 he'd be saying the total opposite of what he's saying now. Total spoofer.

He's the Big Show of punditry.

LeeJM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Take De Gea out of equation and you don't get 2nd.

Never understand this argument. Take Salah away from Liverpool and they dont get CL football. Take Messi away from Barca and they aren't a GOAT team. Take Ronaldo away from Madrid etc..... Point is they are their best players and they do play for the teams so why say without X team Y wouldn't be Z? Makes no sense, all it does is make you look incredibly bitter.

WoollyRedHat

StringerBell wrote: »

Yeah, the only problem with that theory is it's outdated.

We have been massively reliant on the keeper and it didn't get us in the top four.

Now we are not as reliant on him and we are comfortably second and improved big time even in a year on year basis.

True your league position has improved, and that is your position. We`ll agree to disagree.

Kirby

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

United are not massively repaint on de Gea.

Is that the plan for the summer? paint him a different colour and hope Real don't recognise him?

StringerBell

Kirby wrote: »

Is that the plan for the summer? paint him a different colour and hope Real don't recognise him?

Safe enough at this point.

The Roma keeper is strongly linked, and courtouis of course.

WoollyRedHat

LeeJM wrote: »

Never understand this argument. Take Salah away from Liverpool and they dont get CL football. Take Messi away from Barca and they aren't a GOAT team. Take Ronaldo away from Madrid etc..... Point is they are their best players and they do play for the teams so why say without X team Y wouldn't be Z? Makes no sense, all it does is make you look incredibly bitter.

Sorry if it makes me sound bitter, the point I was trying to make is that they need to be more balanced and that challenging for the league means they need to be the sum of their parts. Take out Messi and they still challenge for La Liga.

Liam McPoyle

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Only by the grace of fax ey. .. no need to be obtuse, my point was pretty clear.. Man United are massively reliant on De Gea, without him you`re in trouble. What Arsenal would give for a keeper like him.

This whole debate about DDG is strange and is a stupid argument to try and diminish Uniteds outfield achievements, case in point, we won the EL without him playing last year.

Liverpool are massively reliant on Salah.

Spurs are massively reliant on Kane.

City are massively reliant on KDB.

And so forth.

It's a team game and we happen to have the best keeper in the world in our team. We have also been much less reliant on him since Jose came in.

It's just a lazy, lazy argument that simply does not hold up under any kind of scrutiny.

Oranage2

2-1 total embarrassment from united, boring football, long balls to Fellaini, total joke, where's the entertainment factor, boreball they should rename old Trafford

^

PhlegmyMoses

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

United are not massively reliant on de Gea. People that say that have only watched a handful of our games this season.

It's based off some very faulty logic applied to xg stats

WoollyRedHat

Business Cat wrote: »

This whole debate about DDG is strange and is a stupid argument to try and diminish Uniteds outfield achievements, case in point, we won the EL without him playing last year.

Liverpool are massively reliant on Salah.

Spurs are massively reliant on Kane.

City are massively reliant on KDB.

And so forth.

It's a team game and we happen to have the best keeper in the world in our team. We have also been much less reliant on him since Jose came in.

It's just a lazy, lazy argument that simply does not hold up under any kind of scrutiny.

The EL run you had last year was fairly easy to be fair.

Point is those teams aren't as reliant on those players. If they get injured or have a **** game they can stlill win.

His average number of saves this season per game is 3.3. In the last 4 seasons it was below 2.7. He has single handledly won you points this season with amazing saves.. the reverse fixture at Emirates comes to mind.

Lithium93_

Oranage2 wrote: »

2-1 total embarrassment from united, boring football, long balls to Fellaini, total joke, where's the entertainment factor, boreball they should rename old Trafford

pjohnson

Oranage2 wrote: »

2-1 total embarrassment from united, boring football, long balls to Fellaini, total joke, where's the entertainment factor, boreball they should rename old Trafford

You should watch hockey. Ball never allowed of the ground then

blueser

Oranage2 wrote: »

2-1 total embarrassment from united, boring football, long balls to Fellaini, total joke, where's the entertainment factor, boreball they should rename old Trafford

It wouldn't be the type of football I'd like to watch. But....they won two trophies with it last season, and they've got a 50/50 chance of adding another one in three weeks' time. Hard to argue with that, really. And I think "embarrassment" is a bit strong as well. I doubt the majority of utd fans are embarrassed by it, are they? And I'm no lover of utd, believe me.

Bret Hart

Utd barely got out of 3rd gear today. Weren't really needing to.Nice too give Wenger one last taste of Fergie time for old time's sake

limnam

Oranage2 wrote: »

2-1 total embarrassment from united, boring football, long balls to Fellaini, total joke, where's the entertainment factor, boreball they should rename old Trafford

Beating a top 6 side at home
Yera, embarrassing sure.

What's finishing below a team that plays "embarrassing" football?

How embarrassing is it not to be able to beat that team that plays such embarrassing football.

If you consider not been able to beat WBA out of 3 attempts entertaining.

Then I'll stick to this

Great result against Stoke yesterday. Nothing embarrassing about that at all.

Lithium93_

And Arsenal still haven't claimed an away point this year..

StringerBell

Oranage2 wrote: »

2-1 total embarrassment from united, boring football, long balls to Fellaini, total joke, where's the entertainment factor, boreball they should rename old Trafford

I think you should send them an email stating that very idea.

pjohnson

Lithium93_ wrote: »

And Arsenal still haven't claimed an away point this year..

But at least they aren't embarassing!

Oranage2

blueser wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

2-1 total embarrassment from united, boring football, long balls to Fellaini, total joke, where's the entertainment factor, boreball they should rename old Trafford

It wouldn't be the type of football I'd like to watch. But....they won two trophies with it last season, and they've got a 50/50 chance of adding another one in three weeks' time. Hard to argue with that, really. And I think "embarrassment" is a bit strong as well. I doubt the majority of utd fans are embarrassed by it, are they? And I'm no lover of utd, believe me.

It is, its all well and good winning two ****ty trophies no one ever heard off, but for the most expensive team ever assembled to play like that is boring and embarrassing, I remember watching some great united players like gigs and kids trying to beat 4 or 5 players and score, now kids are hitting long balls to the tallest player and hoping they'll score. Total embarrassment!!!

StringerBell

pjohnson wrote: »

But at least they aren't embarassing!

Nothing embarrassing at all about Arsenal.

Success year in year out thrilling the fans, can barely get a seat at the Emirates I'm told


On a side note, I absolutely love it when posters use the style of trump tweets when posting, it's becoming some kind of fetish I'm certain

I hear their posts in his voice which makes them even funnier

pjohnson

Oranage2 wrote: »

It is, its all well and good winning two ****ty trophies no one ever heard off, but for the most expensive team ever assembled to play like that is boring and embarrassing, I remember watching some great united players like gigs and kids trying to beat 4 or 5 players and score, now kids are hitting long balls to the tallest player and hoping they'll score. Total embarrassment!!!

I remember Arsenal challenging for titles. Total embarrassment coming 6th.


Am I doing this right?

Mushy

Oranage2 wrote: »

blueser wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

2-1 total embarrassment from united, boring football, long balls to Fellaini, total joke, where's the entertainment factor, boreball they should rename old Trafford

It wouldn't be the type of football I'd like to watch. But....they won two trophies with it last season, and they've got a 50/50 chance of adding another one in three weeks' time. Hard to argue with that, really. And I think "embarrassment" is a bit strong as well. I doubt the majority of utd fans are embarrassed by it, are they? And I'm no lover of utd, believe me.

It is, its all well and good winning two ****ty trophies no one ever heard off, but for the most expensive team ever assembled to play like that is boring and embarrassing, I remember watching some great united players like gigs and kids trying to beat 4 or 5 players and score, now kids are hitting long balls to the tallest player and hoping they'll score. Total embarrassment!!!

A ****ty trophy arsenal fans are desperate to win, and are in the semi final of? For your own sake, just stop now!

Liam McPoyle

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

The EL run you had last year was fairly easy to be fair.

Point is those teams aren't as reliant on those players. If they get injured or have a **** game they can stlill win.

His average number of saves this season per game is 3.3. In the last 4 seasons it was below 2.7. He has single handledly won you points this season with amazing saves.. the reverse fixture at Emirates comes to mind.

How many of the saves has he made this season that any other half way competent keeper wouldn't save?

Of course he has made almost otherworldly saves a few times this season but I've watched pretty much every game this year and I can count on the fingers of 1 hand where I could say he won us the points.

adox

Crossing is the new long ball now apparently.

pjohnson

adox wrote: »

Crossing is the new long ball now apparently.

The ball leaves the ground.

Should be a free to the other team when that happens I guess.

Liam McPoyle

Oranage2 wrote: »

It is, its all well and good winning two ****ty trophies no one ever heard off, but for the most expensive team ever assembled to play like that is boring and embarrassing, I remember watching some great united players like gigs and kids trying to beat 4 or 5 players and score, now kids are hitting long balls to the tallest player and hoping they'll score. Total embarrassment!!!

I wish you would post more often, you never fail to make me smile.

StringerBell

adox wrote: »

Crossing is the new long ball now apparently.

Sure don't you know objectivity and facts have no place in discussing united?

Bret Hart

Lads he's just upset that St Totteringham's Day is cancelled again this year.

paulbok

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

The EL run you had last year was fairly easy to be fair.

Point is those teams aren't as reliant on those players. If they get injured or have a **** game they can stlill win.

His average number of saves this season per game is 3.3. In the last 4 seasons it was below 2.7. He has single handledly won you points this season with amazing saves.. the reverse fixture at Emirates comes to mind.

So you are saying if he played for Arsenal, City would be signing him this summer?

adox

Also top keeper makes top saves.

It’s just nonsense. Like, if you didn’t score so many goals and concede so little you’d be ****e.

It’s are certainly a work in progress and personally I’m amazed that they may finish second but that does put into perspective somewhat the kareative about them and the teams around them. Liverpool and Tottenham are fantastic and Utd are struggling and in crisis. Yet look at that league table.

fyfe79

limnam wrote: »

Beating a top 6 side at home
Yera, embarrassing sure.

What's finishing below a team that plays "embarrassing" football?

How embarrassing is it not to be able to beat that team that plays such embarrassing football.

If you consider not been able to beat WBA out of 3 attempts entertaining.

Then I'll stick to this

Great result against Stoke yesterday. Nothing embarrassing about that at all.

Why are you bringing up Liverpool to an Arsenal fan in a Utd vs Arsenal match thread?

WoollyRedHat

Business Cat wrote: »

How many of the saves has he made this season that any other half way competent keeper wouldn't save?

Of course he has made almost otherworldly saves a few times this season but I've watched pretty much every game this year and I can count on the fingers of 1 hand where I could say he won us the points.

That's the thing, from important saves that win you games, quite a few. He has the most clean sheets in Europe this season.

Cech in February made the same point.

I think De Gea is Man Uniteds best player. The likes of Lukaku would need to step up next season to challenge City.. I wouldn't even countenance Arsenal as they are an inferior team to the rest of top 5 atm.

WoollyRedHat

adox wrote: »

Also top keeper makes top saves.

It’s just nonsense. Like, if you didn’t score so many goals and concede so little you’d be ****e.

It’s are certainly a work in progress and personally I’m amazed that they may finish second but that does put into perspective somewhat the kareative about them and the teams around them. Liverpool and Tottenham are fantastic and Utd are struggling and in crisis. Yet look at that league table.

There's been a gulf in class between Man City and the rest this season.. it`s something that all teams below them including the so called amazing Liverpool and Spurs need to address to win the title. I don't see why that POV is controversial..