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What's different about your relationship with your OH that may have been missing from

  • 29-04-2018 9:17pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭


    So a few recent events in friends and my own life have got me thinking about this. These range from short lived things not getting off the ground as someone isn't ready for a relationship ( insert numerous other reasons) or to people who spent 8/9 years with someone, and when it ended met someone else and married quite soon after.

    What was different about your current marriage/relationship to all others?
    What made you want to commit to that person if you were someone who didn't really commit to anyone before?
    Have you been in a relationship where everything was right about the other person and you couldn't fault them but for some other reason it didn't work?
    And are you now with someone where it fell into place quite easily and you can see why it didn't work with others?!

    Lots of questions I know but it has really got me thinking recently and I'd be interested in views/opinions.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Everything, and all for the better.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I have observed age has much to do with it, or can have. IE issues that would have a couple split up in their twenties are more likely to be ignored in their late 30's. Basically when there's more sand in the top end of the egg timer, people may figure they can do better. This can be seen in some women in their mid 30's. They may feel the sand is running out and are far more likely to make an unseemly dash to the altar or delivery room. Indeed the ones with most relationship mileage under their belt seem more prone to it. Whereas some men at the same age, suddenly seeing more options may end up stringing one woman after another along without settling. I have found that type of man tends to hit panic mode about ten years later in their mid 40's. And they can make just as unseemly fast choices.

    More choice as a fair bit to do with it too. The better looking or richer or younger have more choice, even those with no kids, so are more likely to exercise that choice. Look at Hollywood or rock star marriages as an example. Rich, good looking, mostly younger people who have relationships/marriages that last not much longer than a Mayfly's life. Relationships that last(without affairs all over the place) like Tom Hanks and his wife, Spielberg, Goldie Hawn etc are held up and celebrated because they're outliers.

    I have personally long come to the conclusion that while monogamy is celebrated by society as the ideal, I would hold that successful monogamy is a smaller proportion of relationships that we care to admit to ourselves.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭stimpson


    My current wife isn’t bat**** crazy. I find it’s a great attribute in a mate and I’m just sorry I didn’t figure it out before. I made many questionable relationship decisions before this one.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 194 ✭✭Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich


    stimpson wrote: »
    My current wife isn’t bat**** crazy. I find it’s a great attribute in a mate and I’m just sorry I didn’t figure it out before. I made many questionable relationship decisions before this one.

    Amen to that brother


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭annascott


    We were friends first so I got to know and respect him as a person and not as a potential partner. Also, it is the first time everything was easy and felt right. I was with someone I trusted and actually liked, not as in the past with someone who I thought would impress my friends or give me added cudos. I wish I had worked that out in my twenties.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Shinbin223


    I suppose age does have a lot to do with things as people's priorities change as we get older. It just had me really thinking recently as a number of friends and myself included have been wondering what is it that makes a relationship go the distance. It would be interesting to get responses from married or people in long term relationships to see if there was one thing always missing with others and it was there with their current partner. Or was it a case of I'm pushing on, I'd like to settle down and he/she is the person I'm with at the moment and we are happy enough.

    Apologies for the long thread title, I didn't realise it was as long until the full title didn't appear!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    stimpson wrote: »
    My current wife isn’t bat**** crazy. I find it’s a great attribute in a mate and I’m just sorry I didn’t figure it out before. I made many questionable relationship decisions before this one.

    you're cruising for a bruising there :D

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    She tolerates me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Appledreams15


    stimpson wrote: »
    My current wife isn’t bat**** crazy. I find it’s a great attribute in a mate and I’m just sorry I didn’t figure it out before. I made many questionable relationship decisions before this one.

    Maybe you have also grown.

    When a relationship didn't work, it is always both people's fault.


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Appledreams15


    I don't think it is true at all that women panic in their thirties, and I think it is arrogant for a man to speak for women.

    I am in my 30s and having the time of my life travelling the world.

    If I feel like getting in a relationship I will. But Im so happy and content right now. Life is for living whatever way you want.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 52 ✭✭taserfrank


    When a relationship didn't work, it is always both people's fault.

    What a gross generalization.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭stimpson


    Maybe you have also grown.

    When a relationship didn't work, it is always both people's fault.

    That's nonsense people say to shift the blame of being a ****ty partner.

    She was unhinged. I supported her for years but when I went through a rough patch she tried to leave me with nothing (she couldn't even succeed at that). She has had several failed relationships since, but 14 years later I'm still with the amazing woman I met when my life was circling the bowl.

    Yes, I'm still bitter. But there's not a day goes by that I'm not thankful I'm out of that mess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    I don't think it is true at all that women panic in their thirties, and I think it is arrogant for a man to speak for women.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 c0w3jz6eia8h9n


    It's an interesting question.
    From my experience I don't think that it's possible that every relationship ticks every box and it's unreasonable and to think so.

    I have been in three serious relationships and each were good/bad in different ways.

    The first two that I was in were with girls that were very outgoing but were somewhat volatile. Nevertheless, things were amazing with regards to the bedroom for both and that made me stay for longer than I should have.

    My most recent relationship is also with a girl who is extremely outgoing as well but comes with none of the drama. She is extremely caring and kind. However, things are not so good in the bedroom. She just ins't into that side of things and it's something that I've learnt to accept.
    I'm in my early 30's at the moment so the relationship is heading in one direction. If I was in my early 20's I might have considered ended it because of the bedroom side of things but experience has thought me to appreciate other things.


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Appledreams15


    stimpson wrote: »
    That's nonsense people say to shift the blame of being a ****ty partner.

    She was unhinged. I supported her for years but when I went through a rough patch she tried to leave me with nothing (she couldn't even succeed at that). She has had several failed relationships since, but 14 years later I'm still with the amazing woman I met when my life was circling the bowl.

    Yes, I'm still bitter. But there's not a day goes by that I'm not thankful I'm out of that mess.

    It is always two people's fault.

    For example I know an angry, alcoholic man, who complains about his childish messy ex wife.

    And I know a cutting, insensitive woman, who complains about her lazy weak ex husband

    How could it ever be one person's fault?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It is always two people's fault.
    +1000 in pretty much every case. There are exceptions, but in my experience rarely enough. I know looking back on my relationships when they went south I usually blamed them at the time, but nope, it was pretty much 50/50 and in some ways more 60/40 with me being more at fault.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I don't think it is true at all that women panic in their thirties, and I think it is arrogant for a man to speak for women.
    Hence I said: This can be seen in some women in their mid 30's. You must have missed that part. You also missed the part where I noted some men have their own narratives. Then again you'd be blind to that angle.

    In any event it's hardly the stuff of wild conjecture to suggest that some(just in case you miss it again) women in their 30's feel the sudden instinctive call of suburbia and latch onto who's right in front of them at the time, rather than who may be right for them. Often with a sudden and unexpected increase in fertility... And wedding shoes made my Nike. I've known a fair few in my day and I'll bet men and women over 40 reading this will have known quite a few too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Wibbs wrote: »
    +1000 in pretty much every case. There are exceptions, but in my experience rarely enough. I know looking back on my relationships when they went south I usually blamed them at the time, but nope, it was pretty much 50/50 and in some ways more 60/40 with me being more at fault.

    We all do wrong and we all disappoint the other eventually but to me, the first thing a good relationship is about is respect (I know this sounds unromantic but this theory assumes the second foremost factor of the relationship is love and admiration). I think there has to be some kind of general agreement on peace and fairness but also forgiveness and understanding. Unwillingness to take responsibility for bad behaviour is at least as damaging as the behaviour itself, IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 c0w3jz6eia8h9n


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    It's good to see that someone else has had a similar experience as me.
    Obviously, you're married now as you said. Did the bedroom issue play on your mind before you proposed?

    I'm at the stage now where I am considering getting engaged. It's the natural next step and I do love her an awful lot but every so often the sex issues plays over in my head.
    I would have a reasonably high sex drive and in that regard complimented my ex's in that regards. My OH now could nearly be classed as a-sexual, she just has no desire but has so many other great qualities and she is really affectionate - just not in a sexual way.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭stimpson


    It is always two people's fault.

    For example I know an angry, alcoholic man, who complains about his childish messy ex wife.

    And I know a cutting, insensitive woman, who complains about her lazy weak ex husband

    How could it ever be one person's fault?

    Do you think an abused spouse is partly responsible for the abuse?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It's good to see that someone else has had a similar experience as me.
    Obviously, you're married now as you said. Did the bedroom issue play on your mind before you proposed?

    I'm at the stage now where I am considering getting engaged. It's the natural next step and I do love her an awful lot but every so often the sex issues plays over in my head.
    I would have a reasonably high sex drive and in that regard complimented my ex's in that regards. My OH now could nearly be classed as a-sexual, she just has no desire but has so many other great qualities and she is really affectionate - just not in a sexual way.



    Ah g'way outta that. Your missus is a divil in the sack.

    She's probably just tired from all the riding offside when she gets back to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    We both haven't been perfect showcases when we met, we had different issues that might have been no-nos for others. But we were seeing eye-to-eye from the beginning on and instead of just moving on we decided to play as a team and support each other. It worked out so well and soon after it got serious, the pay-off was huge, he's a kind, caring and funny man, yet is serious enough about life and life together.
    That respect and honesty is a great trait that seems to be rare enough. We're both willing to put work into it and tackle obstacles together instead of falling out over it with each other even though it's not always easy.
    Also the ability to talk about everything, even or especially the uncomfortable things makes it easier to move on and a lot of problems don't occur in the first place because they're already talked out.

    We have a child together, I brought a kid into the relationship too, we're currently broke because we bought a house last year, renovated and had to replace our car but we value our relationship a lot that we always try to make time for ourselves, even if we're ridiculously busy. Makes even the most difficult times easier.
    Also talking about money, so many couples struggle to cope with different financial attitudes or tight times and forget that financial troubles are a leading cause in breaking relationships/marriages up.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    cantdecide wrote: »
    We all do wrong and we all disappoint the other eventually but to me, the first thing a good relationship is about is respect (I know this sounds unromantic but this theory assumes the second foremost factor of the relationship is love and admiration). I think there has to be some kind of general agreement on peace and fairness but also forgiveness and understanding. Unwillingness to take responsibility for bad behaviour is at least as damaging as the behaviour itself, IMO.

    There's nothing unromantic about respect.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    It's good to see that someone else has had a similar experience as me.
    Obviously, you're married now as you said. Did the bedroom issue play on your mind before you proposed?

    I'm at the stage now where I am considering getting engaged. It's the natural next step and I do love her an awful lot but every so often the sex issues plays over in my head.
    I would have a reasonably high sex drive and in that regard complimented my ex's in that regards. My OH now could nearly be classed as a-sexual, she just has no desire but has so many other great qualities and she is really affectionate - just not in a sexual way.

    You're in for about a decade of seething resentment and lying to yourself about how lucky you are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    It is always two people's fault.

    For example I know an angry, alcoholic man, who complains about his childish messy ex wife.

    And I know a cutting, insensitive woman, who complains about her lazy weak ex husband

    How could it ever be one person's fault?

    No... its not.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    stimpson wrote: »
    Do you think an abused spouse is partly responsible for the abuse?
    One could argue that some are enablers, some see it coming but for various reasons stay around. If kids are involved that can be a reason to stay, but what if there are no kids involved? I've known men and women stay in emotionally and/or physically abusive relationships for years and there was little to stop them leaving. The usual response if asked was "but I love him/her". Are they responsible for the abuse itself? No. Do they carry some responsibility for not leaving? That's the more difficult question.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 77 ✭✭Anne1982h


    For me it was easy from the start. No messing no pretense just genuinely wanting to meet up and chat and once we started it we never stopped. I always overthink things but I had nothing to overthink about. Some of my friends would say the same. That before there would always be some kind of drama but with the ones we married it was a easy and loving friendship.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭manonboard


    It is always two people's fault.

    For example I know an angry, alcoholic man, who complains about his childish messy ex wife.

    And I know a cutting, insensitive woman, who complains about her lazy weak ex husband

    How could it ever be one person's fault?


    There's several ways in which it can be one persons 'fault'. Though fault could be better labeled as "negative reaction" where negative reaction is measured in terms of the damage it brought to the relationships ability to heal/cope.

    A year ago, I had a partner, was crazy about her. She was in her twenties. Her dad died. She became abusive very quickly after. It was wise and healthy for me to leave as the abuse ramped up from unkindness, to apathy, then to aggressive behavior. She was reacting because of being unable to cope with the loss of her father. I supported her and i keep in touch with her, shes calmed down alot since then, and apologized of course.
    The fault lay entirely on her feet for that though.
    It's not morally wrong, she couldnt cope. It was a horrible experience for her.
    Often it is both people who are at fault though, relationships are complex and we are all unskilled at the start.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    One could argue that some are enablers, some see it coming but for various reasons stay around. If kids are involved that can be a reason to stay, but what if there are no kids involved? I've known men and women stay in emotionally and/or physically abusive relationships for years and there was little to stop them leaving. The usual response if asked was "but I love him/her". Are they responsible for the abuse itself? No. Do they carry some responsibility for not leaving? That's the more difficult question.

    I think this is a good point. There is a wonderful wiki page on the Karpman Triangle that describes some of the payoffs of these self harming roles.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle

    Some of the most common reasons 'victims' stay are:
    1) Martyr syndrome that they get to feel like they were a hero that kept giving. (they give their suffering and consider it a valuable contribution)
    2) Having a person to blame all their woes on, allows them to continue to not take self responsibility for their own self and self relationship. Thus they get to avoid the fear of doing all that psychological work and autonomy.
    3) It gives them an excuse to also enable and goad the other person into conflicting with them. Its a very common situation in an abusive relationship that both people tend to subconsciously crave the drama.

    Of course, there are many many situations where it is not the case at all. Particularly if something suddenly happens, or if one person deceived the other person and then becomes abusive when the other is dependent on them.

    It's always very sad if people think that this is the best they can do. There is such better things in the world for them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 194 ✭✭Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich


    My last relationship was just off the scale dramatic, so bad that it's taken me 3 years to be really properly get over the stress of it all. I'd like to blame my ex for everything but I definitely have to take a fair bit of the blame myself for allowing half of the stuff to happen. I could have walked away at any time. You can just get dragged into this horrible toxic vacuum and your standards go out the window. A low point in my life but I really should have seen it coming, there were major red flags.
    I'm seeing someone now who is the complete opposite of my ex. Totally laid back, low key, doesn't dress up or wear make up, my ex was obsessed with her looks and wanting validation from others.

    Probably the best thing though is the fact that current is only 30 and I'm 37. She has no interest in weddings etc and tbh most of the women my age I've dated, and I've gone on a lot of dates in the last 3 years, seem to have wanted babies and weddings etc ASAP. Which is understandable, there seems to be huge pressure in Ireland to have a wedding. A wedding is my worst bloody nightmare!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    stimpson wrote: »
    My current wife isn’t bat**** crazy. I find it’s a great attribute

    Mine is, well sometimes anyway. It can also be a great attribute. But it can be a terrible one at times. I can usually hear the sh*twinds blowin' and know when to haul ass to avoid potentially messy situations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭stimpson


    Wibbs wrote: »
    One could argue that some are enablers, some see it coming but for various reasons stay around. If kids are involved that can be a reason to stay, but what if there are no kids involved? I've known men and women stay in emotionally and/or physically abusive relationships for years and there was little to stop them leaving. The usual response if asked was "but I love him/her". Are they responsible for the abuse itself? No. Do they carry some responsibility for not leaving? That's the more difficult question.

    It’s easy to say get up and leave but there is a boiling frog mentality where each episode in itself isn’t enough to make you leave. You get desensitised to it after a while and things that should make you want to leg it just make you want to keep your head down so it blows over quickly and you can move past it until the next drama.

    For me, I knew she had issues and they weren’t getting better, but if you get married it’s for better or worse, no? Maybe I was a bit naïve but I figured it was my duty to tough it out. Honestly, I don’t think I could have played it any better. It’s not like I was coming home drunk every night or out whoring and I supported her financially (and emotionally) until it all went tits up.

    It took me a while of me being on tenderhooks with my current wife to realise that it wasn’t natural and she wasn’t going to go mental and rake me over the coals for trivial things. She shares my sense of humour and is usually as laid back as I am. I don’t think we’ve ever had and argument that lasted until the next day and they seem to happen less as time goes on. You really only see how disfunctional your relationship has become when you have something to contrast it to.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Shinbin223


    I do think it comes down to respect and kindness playing a major part in relationships going the distance. It is scary from listening to friends stories and my most recent relationship ending that sometimes the lack of respect shown to someone is baffling.
    Fine, you can't force yourself to be with someone and the vast majority of people wouldn't want to force anyone or have to cajole someone into being with them, but the lack of decency and respect when relationships are ending is quite sad recently. My most recent relationship ended two weeks after he suggested a holiday in summer, and a week after he suggested a night away. There genuinely weren't any red flags, things were going really well, we enjoyed each others company and had a laugh together, sex life was really good and he ended it over a text message after me having to question why he was so distant all of a sudden. He refused to meet up or talk on the phone.
    Another friend of mine was left in a pub on her own and to make her own way home from the middle of nowhere, even though her boyfriend knew she had no battery on her phone. He just walked out of the pub, left her and stopped answering calls. Sometimes a little common courtesy and respect wouldn't go astray when ending things, it costs nothing.
    In lots of cases I know of with relationships ending, it wasn't like there was a big build up of rows, or things weren't going well or any one big "red-flag" incident occurred. It seemed to be simply one person turning around, almost out of the blue and saying they didn't want to be with the other person. It's probably those cases that had me asking the question regarding the different element that made you want to stay with your current partner/OH.
    It is the cases where there is abuse or one partner is possessive, extremely difficult or where there are unsolvable issues like children/marriage/money that it is so easy to see why one party or both eventually left. I'm curious about situations where someone left a relationship where there was no "big issue" and the difference between that and the relationship you are currently in.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    stimpson wrote: »
    It’s easy to say get up and leave but there is a boiling frog mentality where each episode in itself isn’t enough to make you leave. You get desensitised to it after a while and things that should make you want to leg it just make you want to keep your head down so it blows over quickly and you can move past it until the next drama.
    Oh I agree S and wouldn't want anyone to think someone was an enabler in a situation like yours.

    I suppose I was more referring to those men and women who do this kinda thing time and time again with different partners. I've known a few of those. I'm sure most have. Basically if all their relationships have been abusive, or negative in a particular way, then the common factor is them sorta thing. If someone tells me that all men/women are bastards, because all their exes were, my goto thought is; you're picking a minority of abusive people out of all the people you meet as some sort of choice. Now a repeated choice like that is a sign of personal issues or trauma that needs help to get over, but it is a choice IMHO. I should have been more clear about that, so mea culpa.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    cantdecide wrote: »
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    Well, she does have a point. Some 30-something women panic, not all. In both genders, there are people who are genuinely not that arsed about being in a relationship. And women who don't want kids also don't have a rocket up their arse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Well, she does have a point. Some 30-something women panic, not all. In both genders, there are people who are genuinely not that arsed about being in a relationship. And women who don't want kids also don't have a rocket up their arse.
    I agreed with the first bit of the post I quoted now please keep it down okay.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Well, she does have a point. Some 30-something women panic, not all. In both genders, there are people who are genuinely not that arsed about being in a relationship. And women who don't want kids also don't have a rocket up their arse.
    Oh I agree 100% D and I know men and women that couldn't be arsed(hell, I've been mostly one).

    That's why I wrote "This can be seen in some women in their mid 30's", but as usual that particular poster went off on one and came back with: "I don't think it is true at all that women panic in their thirties". Which is correct, but that's not what I wrote. She went from "some" to "all" because that's what she wants/needs to read to reinforce her slanted worldview(I mentioned men too, but she missed that. Of course).

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    cantdecide wrote: »
    I agreed with the first bit of the post I quoted now please keep it down okay.

    Please keep it down? What are you on about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I think it is arrogant for a man to speak for women.


    Not nearly as arrogant as assuming you can speak for everyone :pac:

    It is always two people's fault.

    For example I know an angry, alcoholic man, who complains about his childish messy ex wife.

    And I know a cutting, insensitive woman, who complains about her lazy weak ex husband

    How could it ever be one person's fault?


    It certainly is not always two peoples fault. There are numerous factors can influence each and every case, and for example I can tell you that my wife was certainly not at fault for the breakdown of our marriage. I was entirely at fault, because I'm an unbearable asshole most of the time and incredibly difficult to live with.

    The odd thing was though that when we did separate, all I told people was that we had separated, but their reaction was interesting in the way that the most common response was "You'll find someone else". It was assumed in the first place that my wife had left me, and in the second place that I actually wanted to find anyone else.


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  • Posts: 21,679 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I find relationships difficult. It's hard for me to manage the emotional state of them. I can pick up on the subtlest of changes in another person. My own attachment style tends to always be moving towards rather than away. The thing that's different now is I'm aware of these struggles and how I impact upon others. So many of us go in to relationships thinking "what do I want" but I feel it's equally important to ask "what can I bring".

    My outlook has changed. I no longer believe in one person forever and that's been liberating. Losing my identity is not an option and my boyfriend and I can do our own thing without needing the other. We know that at the end of the day we come back together. He is fiercely independent and has taught me a lot about being secure.

    In saying all that it's not a bed of roses and I still struggle. The two of us are very different people. I'm all soft bits whereas he is sharp edges. Who knows what the future holds for any of us. All we can do is be appreciate who we have and if we stop then it's time to think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 612 ✭✭✭irishrebe


    Wibbs wrote: »
    It is always two people's fault.
    +1000 in pretty much every case. There are exceptions, but in my experience rarely enough. I know looking back on my relationships when they went south I usually blamed them at the time, but nope, it was pretty much 50/50 and in some ways more 60/40 with me being more at fault.
    Not necessarily anyone's 'fault', either. Totally possible for two people to be incompatible or grow apart without either one of them being a bad person or behaving badly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 612 ✭✭✭irishrebe


    My last relationship was just off the scale dramatic, so bad that it's taken me 3 years to be really properly get over the stress of it all. I'd like to blame my ex for everything but I definitely have to take a fair bit of the blame myself for allowing half of the stuff to happen. I could have walked away at any time. You can just get dragged into this horrible toxic vacuum and your standards go out the window. A low point in my life but I really should have seen it coming, there were major red flags.
    I'm seeing someone now who is the complete opposite of my ex. Totally laid back, low key, doesn't dress up or wear make up, my ex was obsessed with her looks and wanting validation from others.

    Probably the best thing though is the fact that current is only 30 and I'm 37. She has no interest in weddings etc and tbh most of the women my age I've dated, and I've gone on a lot of dates in the last 3 years, seem to have wanted babies and weddings etc ASAP. Which is understandable, there seems to be huge pressure in Ireland to have a wedding. A wedding is my worst bloody nightmare!
    Whatever about weddings, but a woman of your age doesn't have that much time left to have biological children. An older man dating a younger woman to avoid the clock ticking issue is a cliche for a reason.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭ginandtonicsky


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Well, she does have a point. Some 30-something women panic, not all. In both genders, there are people who are genuinely not that arsed about being in a relationship. And women who don't want kids also don't have a rocket up their arse.

    i know as many men as i do women who hit their thirties and go babymaker-hunting. Mad for the wife-and-kids package all of a sudden. obviously women have the biological clock, but men also have the societal thing of all the mates suddenly disappearing into marriage-land and the "well...when are ya going to give me a day out" thing as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    Hmmm, what was different? It's a bit awkward to admit but the actual desire to share spit and touching and body fluids was what was different, and still is. In my life I have truly liked and deeply admired a few men for their brainy brilliance or talents, their poetic natures or artistic prowess. But it has been almost miniscule the amount of people I have met - even those I really, really like and admire - that I could ever envisage actually physically engaging with - I'm kind of a bit (lot?) autistic that way. Smells, textures, sounds, the raw physicality of people is very daunting to me. But it was never that way with himself. Rare pheromone synching, I guess. Thankfully. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    A wedding is my worst bloody nightmare!

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I can't think of anything more cringy or intensely awkward than a wedding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭Telly


    He made me belly laugh from day one. Is totally on my wave length with everything. We just “get” each other and after 2 yrs together it still feels all shinny and new. We’re a great match and I couldn’t imagine ever meeting someone like him again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭lalababa


    Maybe you have also grown.

    When a relationship didn't work, it is always both people's fault.

    Whaaaat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    She's smart, funny, beautiful and kind.

    She has her faults, but a lot less than anyone else I've ever gone out with.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He gives me tingles and makes me laugh and I think he's the bestest ever in the history of the world, and he seems to think I'm tolerable :)


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