8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

JupiterKid

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Also Leo Varadkar once said he did not support equal marriage.

Clearly that wasn't what he really felt.

Leo Varadkar would say anything to garner support and votes. He only came out himself when he felt the tide was turning in favor of same-sex marriage, pretty late in the day. Better late than never I suppose but I can’t help but think it was a calculated political act and as a gay man myself I find his neo-Thatcherite neo-liberal economic laissez faire political views repugnant. For FG and FF, they see Ireland as an economy and not a society and that’s IMO at the root of a lot of the problems with this country, housing being the most urgent one at the moment.

Hell, I might even start a thread on this...

Always been a Labour voter myself and will remain so for the foreseeable future (although I do like the Social Democrats as well). FG and FF are two sides of the same coin.

On the abortion referendum, I think the 8th will be narrowly repealed. The urban areas and the youth vote (if hopefully enough have registered by now) will swing it.

Zubeneschamali

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

For me the repeal of the 8th amendment is a rights issue, specifically rights I don't have as a woman that you do as a man. If you think that's fair and just then fine, but at least come out and say it

In fairness to Thirdfox, he thinks he as a father has a right to prevent his partner getting an abortion, so he has been pretty upfront about his opinion of your rights as a woman to your body.

You don't have any - he owns it as it is incubating his child.

Zubeneschamali

SusieBlue wrote: »

It will just cause more distress and suffering to the living breathing woman having the crisis.

This is the whole idea. Punish the sluts, make them do the walk of shame to the Ryanair gate and limp back bleeding. Good enough for them.

Thirdfox

Thirdfox wrote: »

Quick answer - I do - I support the current, and a limited expansion of the current legal abortion regime in Ireland.

If you are asking why we don't adopt other countries laws as our own then I have laid out my reasons numerous times already.

It is whataboutery in my eyes to raise the fact that something is legal elsewhere to be solely the determination of if something is to be legal in Ireland - I have said time and again I cannot (well technically Irish citizens do get some extra voting rights in the UK but presumably it is residency based) change the laws of other countries (or when they hold referendums I need not apply) but for my own country I can.

If we take a principle of "if Irish people can get it elsewhere that is solely a good reason to allow it here" then should we allow prostitution (yes, and tax it too I say) , cannabis use (I actually think we should but that's beside the point), euthanasia or any multitude of laws where other countries' laws differe to our own.

An Irish person can use a legal brothel in Germany so why don't we support it here in Ireland?

An Irish person can go to a Dutch coffee shop (though that is being increasingly restricted from what little I know of drug laws in Amsterdam) so why can't we have Irish coffee shops?

An Irish person can hop on a plane to Switzerland to visit dignitas so we should just change our laws on assisted suicide then (again I think we should, but not due to the sole reason of it being easily accessible elsewhere).

Something being available elsewhere is not a reason (by itself) for it to be available here. Examine everything on its own merits.

No, I am not suggesting because something is legal somewhere else it should be legal here.

None of your above examples are remotely close to abortion.
Women in this country have the constitutional right to information on abortion & the right to travel & have abortions.
Show me anywhere in the constitution that gives citizens the right to travel to do any of the illegal activity you mentioned above.

So, again, why would you refuse to allow women receive terminations in their own country when they have the constitutional right to avail of it overseas?

gmisk

ELM327 wrote: »

With one line buried in irrelevant drivel it's difficult to keep up.
People can change their mind.
Since you love tangential posts:

3 months before the SSM referendum I was very much a No voter and proud of it. Because, you know, ewww the gays and all that.
But then I realised who I was agreeing with (bible bashers, the old, and the iona institute) and who I was arguing with (people who wanted the same rights as everyone else) and I realised, regardless of my feelings towards gay people, what business is their bedroom or relationship, to me!

And its the same group of bible bashers, the old, and Iona institute that are hardline no here too.

Ireland 10 years ago is very different to the Ireland nowadays.

Ah come on! Thats not very nice! (gmisk sashays away)
I appreciate your change of opinion

Gay people are just people really, as couples we generally spend most weekends in B and Q arguing over tiles like everyone else.

I think sweeping this issue under the carpet isn't good enough any longer, we need to help women and couples in this country and stop forcing people to travel or getting pills by non regulated means, its as simple as that for me.

Thankfully the sway the catholic church has is on the wain when it comes to issues like this and when it came to gay people having equal rights.

nozzferrahhtoo

Thirdfox wrote: »

If we take away the right to life (or from someone else's perspective ascribe the right to life) to a human being - there must be a good reason for doing so.

So what is the "good reason" for ascribing the right to life to a 12/16 week old fetus that does not have the faculty of sentience, never has had it, and is a distinct period of time away from getting it?

Thirdfox wrote: »

Something being available elsewhere is not a reason (by itself) for it to be available here. Examine everything on its own merits.

It depends on the context that that argument is being presented in however. As you say IN ISOLATION the point "It is legal over there so why not here" is of little merit.

But a lot of people are under the impression the 8th, and voting to keep the 8th, will somehow prevent abortions from happening. And in THAT context the availability of it in the UK does become relevant, as does the point "If they can get it there why not here".

The law simply is not preventing those abortions from happening. Or at least the only ones it is preventing from happening are in the people who do not have the time money or resources to get to the UK to procure it.

So not only do I not see their agenda of preventing abortions with this law as being successful..... the abortions they are preventing are the ones that given the choice we would least likely want to prevent. That is to say if abortions have to happen somewhere across the economic continuum..... would we really solely want to prevent the ones in the poorest of the poor?

Zubeneschamali

Look at the time.

Incoming new fence-sitting posters who just want to ask questions!

Everyone on their best behaviour for the new posters!

kylith

RobertKK wrote: »

This referendum is on the piece of law that provides protection for unborn lives, there are laws to protect all other lives.
That is why this is different a Yes vote will remove the only protection in Irish law for unborn lives - as stated by the Supreme Court recently.

And removes protection from women because they are pregnant. Would you look a woman in your family in the face, Robert, and tell her that it is right for her health to suffer and her to be denied medication unless she is literally dying?

Triceratops Ballet

kylith wrote: »

And removes protection from women because they are pregnant. Would you look a woman in your family in the face, Robert, and tell her that it is right for her health to suffer and her to be denied medication unless she is literally dying?

The rights of those women get sacrificed on the alter of "moral superiority"

"we'd love women to have the right to bodily autonomy but if we give them that right they might do the wrong thing with it, so they can't be trusted" :rolleyes:

kylith

Thirdfox wrote: »

Quick answer - I do - I support the current, and a limited expansion of the current legal abortion regime in Ireland.

What’s your opinion on me having no power to consent to or refuse procedures, or having no right to informed consent, or having no right to medical treatment until there is a real and substantial risk to my life, as opposed to my health?

Sofiztikated

kylith wrote: »

What’s your opinion on me having no power to consent to or refuse procedures, or having no right to informed consent, or having no right to medical treatment until there is a real and substantial risk to my life, as opposed to my health?

Sure what would you want to be healthy for, you'd have a baby to occupy your time.

captbarnacles

Can we dispense with the 'we can't stop women from travelling' for an abortion angle. This is absurd. No-one is calling for pregnancy tests at airports. You cannot prevent crime from happening but you can make it more difficult and prosecute people who still break the law.
However there is no appetite to do this from anyone which makes a certain section of the population sad hypocrites.

Sofiztikated

captbarnacles wrote: »

Can we dispense with the 'we can't stop women from travelling' for an abortion angle. This is absurd. No-one is calling for pregnancy tests at airports. You cannot prevent crime from happening but you can make it more difficult and prosecute people who still break the law.
However there is no appetite to do this from anyone which makes a certain section of the population sad hypocrites.

And there isn't another crime mentioned that women have a constitutional right to travel to do.

Martina1991

Thirdfox wrote: »

It is whataboutery in my eyes to raise the fact that something is legal elsewhere to be solely the determination of if something is to be legal in Ireland.
If we take a principle of "if Irish people can get it elsewhere that is solely a good reason to allow it here" then should we allow prostitution (yes, and tax it too I say) , cannabis use (I actually think we should but that's beside the point), euthanasia or any multitude of laws where other countries' laws differe to our own.

Making drugs, euthanasia or brothels legal here wouldn’t force people to use them. People CHOOSE to do those things. Making them illegal hasn’t stopped people from doing/using them.

Making abortion legal here won’t force women into having them, only those that need them and CHOOSE to have them. However, making abortion illegal has forced women to go abroad and seek dangerous, unsupervised abortions without after care.

Abortion being illegal here puts the lives and healthcare of women in danger.

You're more open to legalising brothels and drugs than you are for the human rights of women.

erica74

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

In law talk, please.

I'm surprised he has had so much time to post today and hasn't been busy lawyering in his law office doing the law things.

Sofiztikated

erica74 wrote: »

I'm surprised he has had so much time to post today and hasn't been busy lawyering in his law office doing the law things.

PlaneSpeeking

I've just had an x-ray cancelled for two weeks because of this amendment.

I'm clearly not pregnant but the only way round it is for a GP to do a test and sign a form. Like my mum signing a note for school.

This is my health we are talking about and I don't have the right to treatment. I am not even trusted to declare myself not pregnant.

REPEAL THE 8TH NOW

gctest50

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https://www.newstalk.com/Master-of-the-Rotunda-Maternity-Hospital-warns-prolife-posters-factually-inaccurate

Master of the Rotunda Maternity Hospital warns pro-life posters 'factually inaccurate'

Professor Fergal Malone says the posters are causing “extreme distress” among pregnant women

JupiterKid

You know, Iona and the no to repeal crowd seem to think that it is a “certain type” of woman who procures a termination. You know, the “easy girl” the “sl*t”, the “town bike” etc. And the idea that they would just use it as a form of contraception. I doubt ANY woman takes the decision to have an abortion lightly.

Four women that I have known closely in my life have privately disclosed to me that they had terminations. And not one of them was in that supposed category - not by a long shot. It certainly opened up my eyes at the time.

It’s so easy to judge when the person doing the judging isn’t in any way affected. I’d wager that the daughters of some staunch no voters have had terminations in the UK and elsewhere when they were faced with a crisis pregnancy.

Triceratops Ballet

JupiterKid wrote: »

You know, Iona and the no to repeal crowd seem to think that it is a “certain type” of woman who procures a termination. You know, the “easy girl” the “sl*t”, the “town bike” etc. And the idea that they would just use it as a form of contraception. I doubt ANY woman takes the decision to have an abortion lightly.

Four women that I have known closely in my life have privately disclosed to me that they had terminations. And not one of them was in that supposed category - not by a long shot. It certainly opened up my eyes at the time.

It’s so easy to judge when the person doing the judging isn’t in any way affected. I’d wager that the daughters of some staunch no voters have had terminations in the UK and elsewhere when they were faced with a crisis pregnancy.

I don't doubt it and the worst thing is they can't get support from their own family, they truly are alone when they have to travel it's so sad for them

Shadowstrife

We have to remember as well, the women with severe health issues like dangerous blood pressure. For many women, going through labour can be fatal.

The No side love to paint a picture of pregnancy as a joyous occasion full of prancing bunnies and rainbows. In reality, pregnancy is always fraught with risk & complication.

AnneFrank

JupiterKid wrote: »

You know, Iona and the no to repeal crowd seem to think that it is a “certain type” of woman who procures a termination. You know, the “easy girl” the “sl*t”, the “town bike” etc. And the idea that they would just use it as a form of contraception. I doubt ANY woman takes the decision to have an abortion lightly.

With all due respect, this is a serious sweeping generalization.
I will be voting no, but i would never consider any woman a slut or whatever
name you wish to call them.This would never even enter my mind.

Shadowstrife

AnneFrank wrote: »

wrote: »

I will be voting no, but i would never consider any woman a slut or whatever
name you wish to call them.This would never even enter my mind.

But have you taken time to consider women in circumstances of terminal illness like cancer or severe blood pressure, fatal fetal conditions or victims of rape?

The 'No' vote is a vote of black & white absolutes. I would not call you names or make a false impression of you, but I would invite you to answer my above question.

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swampgas

Shadowstrife wrote: »

We have to remember as well, the women with severe health issues like dangerous blood pressure. For many women, going through labour can be fatal.

I'm sure someone will be along to suggest that we just need to offer better support for pregnant women with dangerous health conditions, perhaps the state could offer to pay for their funerals.

AnneFrank

....... wrote: »

But you dont trust women. These is a post of yours from the last thread.



I believe the world we see is a reflection of ourselves. If you are worried about what people might say about you its because you are someone who gossips about people, if you dont trust people its because you yourself are untrustworthy.

What do you think, buddy?

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make buddy,but I'm happy you're paying close attention to my posts

kylith

A group similar to, if not actually, ICBR had set up in Limerick today and as well as their disgusting posters were heard to be yelling ‘Don’t trust women!’

PlaneSpeeking

AnneFrank wrote: »

....... wrote: »

But you dont trust women. These is a post of yours from the last thread.



I believe the world we see is a reflection of ourselves. If you are worried about what people might say about you its because you are someone who gossips about people, if you dont trust people its because you yourself are untrustworthy.

What do you think, buddy?

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make buddy,but I'm happy you're paying close attention to my posts

I am paying close attention.

You are voting no and are rem9ving my right to medical treatment.

You are telling me that the only way I can have an x-ray is to ask a doctor to prove I'm not pregnant. My word is not enough.

You - and other No advocates- are playing with my health and treating me like a child who cannot decide for myself and also starting from the premise that I am a liar.

Rjd2

JupiterKid wrote: »

You know, Iona and the no to repeal crowd seem to think that it is a “certain type” of woman who procures a termination. You know, the “easy girl” the “sl*t”, the “town bike” etc. And the idea that they would just use it as a form of contraception. I doubt ANY woman takes the decision to have an abortion lightly.

Four women that I have known closely in my life have privately disclosed to me that they had terminations. And not one of them was in that supposed category - not by a long shot. It certainly opened up my eyes at the time.

It’s so easy to judge when the person doing the judging isn’t in any way affected. I’d wager that the daughters of some staunch no voters have had terminations in the UK and elsewhere when they were faced with a crisis pregnancy.

To play devil's advocate ladies who match the "pro life" stereotype of what you describe and would be flippant about abortion probably don't deserve to be mothers and most certainly would not be bringing a child into the world with love.

JennyVin

Reading much misinformation on this board. Please inform yourself of the truth before you vote.

Sir, – The recent inquest on Savita Halappanavar has raised important issues about hospital infection in obstetrics. Much of the public attention appears to have been directed at the expert opinion of Dr Peter Boylan who suggested that Irish law prevented necessary treatment to save Ms Halappanavar’s life. We would suggest that this is a personal view, not an expert one.

Furthermore, it is impossible for Dr Boylan, or for any doctor, to predict with certainty the clinical course and outcome in the case of Savita Halappanavar where sepsis arose from the virulent and multi drug-resistant organism, E.coli ESBL.

What we can say with certainty is that where ruptured membranes are accompanied by any clinical or bio-chemical marker of infection, Irish obstetricians understand they can intervene with early delivery of the baby if necessary. Unfortunately, the inquest shows that in Galway University Hospital the diagnosis of chorioamnionitis was delayed and relevant information was not noted and acted upon.

The facts as produced at the inquest show this tragic case to be primarily about the management of sepsis, and Dr Boylan’s opinion on the effect of Irish law did not appear to be shared by the coroner, or the jury, of the inquest.

Obstetric sepsis is unfortunately on the increase and is now the leading cause of maternal death reported in the UK Confidential Enquiry into Maternal Deaths . Additionally there are many well-documented fatalities from sepsis in women following termination of pregnancy. To concentrate on the legal position regarding abortion in the light of such a case as that in Galway does not assist our services to pregnant women.

It is clear that maternal mortality in developed countries is rising, in the US, Canada, Britain, Denmark, Netherlands and other European countries. The last Confidential Enquiry in Britain (which now includes Ireland) recommended a “return to basics” and stated that many maternal deaths are related to failure to observe simple clinical signs such as fever, headache and changes in pulse rate and blood pressure. Many of the failings highlighted in Galway have been described before in these and other reports.

The additional problem of multi-resistant organisms causing infection, largely as a result of antibiotic use and abuse, is a serious cause of concern and may lead to higher death rates in all areas of medicine.

Ireland’s maternal health record is one of the best in the world in terms of our low rate of maternal death (including Galway hospital). The case in Galway was one of the worst cases of sepsis ever experienced in that hospital, and the diagnosis of ESBL septicaemia was almost unprecedented among Irish maternity units.

It is important that all obstetrical units in Ireland reflect on the findings of the events in Galway and learn how to improve care for pregnant women. To reduce it to a polemical argument about abortion may lead to more – not fewer – deaths in the future. – Yours, etc,

Dr JOHN MONAGHAN, DCH FRCPI FRCOG Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Portiuncula, Galway;
Dr CYRIL THORNTON, MB BCh MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Cork Clinic;
Dr EAMON Mc GUINNESS, MB BCh MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Mount Carmel Hospital, Dublin;
Dr TREVOR HAYES, MB BCh FRCS MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, St Luke’s General Hospital, Kilkenny; Dr CHRIS KING, MB DCH MRCOG Consultant Obstetrician/ Gynaecologist, Letterkenny General Hospital;
Dr EILEEN REILLY, MB ChB MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/ Gynaecologist, Galway Clinic;
Prof JOHN BONNAR, MD FRCPI FRCOG, Prof Emeritus Obstetrics & Gynaecology, Trinity College Dublin;
Prof EAMON O’DWYER, MB MAO LLB FRCPI FRCOG, Prof Emeritus Obstetrics & Gynaecology, NUI Galway;
Prof STEPHEN CUSACK, MB BCh FRCSI, Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Cork University Hospital;
Dr RORY PAGE, MB BCh FFA RCSI, Consultant Anaesthetist, Cavan General Hospital; Dr
JAMES CLAIR, MB BCh PhD FRCPath, Consultant Microbiologist, Mercy University Hospital,
Cork.

BabysCoffee

JennyVin wrote: »

Reading much misinformation on this board. Please inform yourself of the truth before you vote.

What "much misinformation" have you read on this board?

gctest50

JennyVin wrote: »

Reading much misinformation on this board. Please inform yourself of the truth before you vote.

Welcome to boards.ie

You left out this bit :


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/letter-an-attack-on-my-professional-opinion-says-obstetrician-1.1379025




The obstetricians include three well-known anti-abortion figures - Prof John Bonnar, Prof Eamon O’Dwyer and Prof John Monaghan.

JennyVin wrote: »

Dr JOHN MONAGHAN, DCH FRCPI FRCOG Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Portiuncula, Galway;


Dr CYRIL THORNTON, MB BCh MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Cork Clinic;
Dr EAMON Mc GUINNESS, MB BCh MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Mount Carmel Hospital, Dublin;
Dr TREVOR HAYES, MB BCh FRCS MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, St Luke’s General Hospital, Kilkenny; Dr CHRIS KING, MB DCH MRCOG Consultant Obstetrician/ Gynaecologist, Letterkenny General Hospital;
Dr EILEEN REILLY, MB ChB MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/ Gynaecologist, Galway Clinic;

Prof JOHN BONNAR, MD FRCPI FRCOG, Prof Emeritus Obstetrics & Gynaecology, Trinity College Dublin;

Prof EAMON O’DWYER, MB MAO LLB FRCPI FRCOG, Prof Emeritus Obstetrics & Gynaecology, NUI Galway;


Prof STEPHEN CUSACK, MB BCh FRCSI, Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Cork University Hospital;
Dr RORY PAGE, MB BCh FFA RCSI, Consultant Anaesthetist, Cavan General Hospital; Dr
JAMES CLAIR, MB BCh PhD FRCPath, Consultant Microbiologist, Mercy University Hospital,
Cork.

Sofiztikated

JennyVin wrote: »

Reading much misinformation on this board. Please inform yourself of the truth before you vote.

I recognised a name, Eamonn McGuinness.

He went to court to prevent two things happening before.

a) The first was to allow an abortion where there is a risk to a mother's life
b) The second was to allow an abortion when the foetus was no longer viable.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/review-of-resolutions-on-abortion-refused-1.319188

And Dr James Clair is a regular on the Save the 8th/Iona literature.

PlaneSpeeking

BabysCoffee wrote: »

JennyVin wrote: »

Reading much misinformation on this board. Please inform yourself of the truth before you vote.

What "much misinformation" have you read on this board?

Well for one- that it's about abortion.

I'm not pregnant. I've never wanted to be pregnant. The only way I could be pregnant is if the human gestation period has gone from 9 months to 143 months.

Yet the 8th is affecting me. It's about the health of women.

Spanish Eyes

Men do not ever have to live with this dilemma EVER. They do not even have to know if the pills are taken or even if the woman has a positive. All OK after that? yup. Sperm donor does not have a clue.

That is why I look at for example the pic of the FF anti repeal crowd today. Four women only.

Anyway, terminations will continue ad infinitum with the pills. Who can stop that.

Women are the arbiters of this. If they don't want to abort they don't have to, but sometimes they have to in their own circumstances. Their bodies, their choice. And that will NOT change if there is a NO vote either.

gctest50

JennyVin wrote: »

Reading much misinformation on this board.

Please inform yourself of the truth before you vote.

Dr JOHN MONAGHAN, DCH FRCPI FRCOG Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Portiuncula, Galway;

We know the truth - Portiuncla is a slaughter house for newborns :

Issues at the hospital first came to light when it was noticed an unusually high number of babies were being sent to Dublin for Therapeutic Hypothermia (sometimes known as baby cooling), a treatment usually used in cases where babies were deprived of oxygen during birth.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/multiple-failures-identified-in-report-into-baby-deaths-at-galway-hospital-1.3482993

and like we've seen before :

The majority of the problems involved poor pre-natal assessment of the babies and a failure to quickly escalate the level of care when problems first presented

Hospital criticised for hiding information on babies’ deaths




Earlier this year the couple commissioned an independent medical expert to review Ms Reilly’s medical files as well as those of Asha and Amber. The expert concluded “the grossly substandard management” of Lorraine’s condition “ was responsible for the intrauterine death of Asha.”


Lorraine Reilly: “If we were told the truth, then there is no way we would have gone back to Portinuncula.”



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hospital-criticised-for-hiding-information-on-babies-deaths-1.3060593

kylith

JennyVin wrote: »

Reading much misinformation on this board. Please inform yourself of the truth before you vote.

How does it compare to the blatant lies and misinformation on the anti-repeal side?

indy_man

This is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate abortion supporting side.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/992433880266412032

Spanish Eyes

Show me a man who has to take a pill, or go abroad for a FFA termination. There's your answer. So many men on on the NO side when they will never ever have to endure that decision. Feck off now.

Anyway I am loving the FF group against. Four women and many men. Feck that.

But I suppose it is for the country cousins. So they think. Their pulse should be on the current generation now.

robarmstrong

indy_man wrote: »

This is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate abortion supporting side.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/992433880266412032

Looks like a telephone/ESB pole - if it is, then they have no right to put the poster up.

Have you not got a comment on the young drag queen who was assaulted for wearing his repeal the 8th jumper?

That is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate forced birth supporting side.

eeepaulo

indy_man wrote: »

This is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate abortion supporting side.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/992433880266412032

Looks to me like he was introduced to 2 important scientific concepts, Archimedes law of the lever and gravity.

Sofiztikated

Jaysis, he should sign for some of the Italian teams, he took a fierce dive there.

"We have trouble getting this out in the media,"
"90% of our posters are torn down in Dublin,"

Really does have the spiel down pat.

Although it was wrong of yer man, if they did have permission to put it up there.

indy_man

indy_man wrote: »

This is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate abortion supporting side.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/992433880266412032

I wish the Americans would keep their fceking nose out of our business on both sides of the referendum. :mad: Seriously mind yer own fecking business........

ASISEEIT

When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it

eviltwin

robarmstrong wrote: »

Looks like a telephone/ESB pole - if it is, then they have no right to put the poster up.

Have you not got a comment on the young drag queen who was assaulted for wearing his repeal the 8th jumper?

That is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate forced birth supporting side.

I was attacked last Saturday by a man who took exception to my Repeal necklace. He came and ripped it of my neck. I wasn't out campaigning, I was just walking down the street minding my own business. I know of at least two other women who have been treated in a similar way.

Sofiztikated

ASISEEIT wrote: »

When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it

Noone is hiding from it.

You're wrong though, but you just keep on keeping on, it's not like you'll listen.

spookwoman

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I can tell you that Fiona was absolutely dreading it as she knew she would be outnumbered. The presence of the Repeal supporters meant a lot to her and really gave her heart. Especially as a full on attack against her was launched on twitter calling her credentials into question and asking what right she had to even be involved as she is based in the U.K.

Yeah - what would a Tipp woman educated in U.C.C who went on to become a human rights expert and law professor in two very prestigious universities know about it. :rolleyes:

When you see someone like Caroline Simons just lashing out at a group of people for no reason you know she is desperate and on the ropes.

kylith

ASISEEIT wrote: »

When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it

That’s not what happens in a termination at 12 weeks, which is medical not surgical.

What is your opinion of the banners being displayed outside maternity hospitals the last few days?

What is your opinion of the young woman left with internal injuries because the baby was born sideways and the midwife did nothing because the foetus was not at risk?

What is your opinion of a woman in labour having her vagina cut without her consent?

What is your opinion of a pregnant woman being denied medical treatment until her life is at ‘real and substantial’ risk?

gctest50

ASISEEIT wrote: »

When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it

Please explain how misoprostol and mifepristone pills do this ?


nanobots ?


magic ?


or is bullsh!t ?

Triceratops Ballet

ASISEEIT wrote:

When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it

That's the reality of a surgical abortion, the majority of abortions however are not surgical.
Nobody is hiding from any of this though we all know how it works