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DCM 2018 - Mentored Novice Thread
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While it's no half marathon like most of you did on Saturday, I had a 10 mile planned for Sunday and I do have to thank the inspiring reports you all had shared on here! I can honestly say they helped me push on for the last few miles
I'm feeling less in denial now that we have a marathon in under 5 weeks, not sure I had fully accepted this will be happening.
The plan from my club has the next 5 weekends LRs as follows: 18, 20, 18, 14 and the big day itself. I followed this for Limerick and was a little apprehensive about an 18 mile run just 2 weeks before the big day. I also thought I didn't feel as refreshed in the last week before the marathon as I thought I would.
Looking at the HH / Boards plans, neither have that long a run 2 weeks out, so I am thinking I will reduce it 14/16 and even keep the week before to 12 miles.
Not that I want to give out about the plan, but this second time around I have had a number of doubts about it to be honest, given the discussions on here (and the experience of using it a whole ONE TIME before ) .
Any thoughts from the mentors?0 -
While it's no half marathon like most of you did on Saturday, I had a 10 mile planned for Sunday and I do have to thank the inspiring reports you all had shared on here! I can honestly say they helped me push on for the last few miles
I'm feeling less in denial now that we have a marathon in under 5 weeks, not sure I had fully accepted this will be happening.
The plan from my club has the next 5 weekends LRs as follows: 18, 20, 18, 14 and the big day itself. I followed this for Limerick and was a little apprehensive about an 18 mile run just 2 weeks before the big day. I also thought I didn't feel as refreshed in the last week before the marathon as I thought I would.
Looking at the HH / Boards plans, neither have that long a run 2 weeks out, so I am thinking I will reduce it 14/16 and even keep the week before to 12 miles.
Not that I want to give out about the plan, but this second time around I have had a number of doubts about it to be honest, given the discussions on here (and the experience of using it a whole ONE TIME before ) .
Any thoughts from the mentors?
I'm no mentor, but from what I've absorbed to date I think the advice would be that a good taper trumps additional miles over the last few weeks. The Boards plan has long runs of 20, 18, 14 and 8 miles from here until DCM, which seems like a quality taper to me. Maybe it's different when it's not your first marathon though.0 -
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While it's no half marathon like most of you did on Saturday, I had a 10 mile planned for Sunday and I do have to thank the inspiring reports you all had shared on here! I can honestly say they helped me push on for the last few miles
I'm feeling less in denial now that we have a marathon in under 5 weeks, not sure I had fully accepted this will be happening.
The plan from my club has the next 5 weekends LRs as follows: 18, 20, 18, 14 and the big day itself. I followed this for Limerick and was a little apprehensive about an 18 mile run just 2 weeks before the big day. I also thought I didn't feel as refreshed in the last week before the marathon as I thought I would.
Looking at the HH / Boards plans, neither have that long a run 2 weeks out, so I am thinking I will reduce it 14/16 and even keep the week before to 12 miles.
Not that I want to give out about the plan, but this second time around I have had a number of doubts about it to be honest, given the discussions on here (and the experience of using it a whole ONE TIME before ) .
Any thoughts from the mentors?
ReeReeG i'm not a lot more qualified than your good self but i would strongly urge you towards doing 12-14m at most 3 weeks out from the marathon. We all recover from long runs at different rates but based on your own experiences before Limerick it sounds like you will need 3 weeks to recover from that last long run - as most of us do. 3 weeks seems to be the typical taper time in most common plans that i have come across.
Skyblue posted this link recently which suggests that we actually don't see the benefits of long runs for 4-6 weeks after we do them which would also suggest it is counterintuitive to do a very long run in the last 4 weeks - but we'll settle on 3
Well done on your superb performance in the 10m race 0 -
While it's no half marathon like most of you did on Saturday, I had a 10 mile planned for Sunday and I do have to thank the inspiring reports you all had shared on here! I can honestly say they helped me push on for the last few miles
I'm feeling less in denial now that we have a marathon in under 5 weeks, not sure I had fully accepted this will be happening.
The plan from my club has the next 5 weekends LRs as follows: 18, 20, 18, 14 and the big day itself. I followed this for Limerick and was a little apprehensive about an 18 mile run just 2 weeks before the big day. I also thought I didn't feel as refreshed in the last week before the marathon as I thought I would.
Looking at the HH / Boards plans, neither have that long a run 2 weeks out, so I am thinking I will reduce it 14/16 and even keep the week before to 12 miles.
Not that I want to give out about the plan, but this second time around I have had a number of doubts about it to be honest, given the discussions on here (and the experience of using it a whole ONE TIME before ) .
Any thoughts from the mentors?
Opinions differ on tapers and of course they also fulfill a function within a plan. Having not followed the details of your plan I'd find it hard to comment. That being said I have seen many a taper which suggests that long run could be 80-90% of the longest run to date. So if you have a 20 miler it's not outrageous to do a 16-18 on that weekend. For novices and runners who haven't got years of endurance training it's obviously a priority that recovery is adequate before DCM so risks will not be taken with higher mileage runs that close to the big day.0 -
Opinions differ on tapers and of course they also fulfill a function within a plan. Having not followed the details of your plan I'd find it hard to comment. That being said I have seen many a taper which suggests that long run could be 80-90% of the longest run to date. So if you have a 20 miler it's not outrageous to do a 16-18 on that weekend. For novices and runners who haven't got years of endurance training it's obviously a priority that recovery is adequate before DCM so risks will not be taken with higher mileage runs that close to the big day.
Yes, that's a fair point and I did think that while posting - hard for you to tell given there is often a bigger picture which needs to be taken into account.
Thanks ariana... maybe I'll settle on a 16 LSR 2 weeks out as a compromise between the plan and my own experience the last time, given the point skyblue makes above.Skyblue posted this link recently which suggests that we actually don't see the benefits of long runs for 4-6 weeks after we do them which would also suggest it is counterintuitive to do a very long run in the last 4 weeks - but we'll settle on 30 -
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I'm actually from Adare and there's a load of good routes around the area. There's a 5k loop in the manor itself which will stick out as it's the one that hugs the boundry of the main driving roads on the resort. There's 12k of cart paths going around the golf course(I know this because I thought we'd never finish building them or the course for that matter:pac:). If you want to get out of the resort and into the countryside. It's only about 6 miles to get to Curraghchase wildlife park which has a good mix of gravel and natural trails through the woods and come back along the Adare 10k route and could finish with a run along the Niall o'shuahnessy trail along the river bank just on the outskirts of the village.
If you want a climbing route, you could head a few miles up the road to Ballingarry and run Knocfierna which has a nice bit of history with the old famine lands and views stretching over the shannon and well into Clare(not that anyone would want to look into that kip:))
I'll draw up a few routes later on if you want
Brilliant, thanks!!! 0 -
I must be the only one that has taken on the Forrest Gump style of route selection. LSR of 14 miles? Run 7 miles in one direction, turn around and run back. LSR of 20 miles? Run 10 miles in one direction, turn around and run back.
:D I found it too time consuming trying to work out exact routes that started and finished in the same spot and were the correct length. Just use RunKeeper on my phone to call out the distance every mile. Nice feeling to be making the route up as you go! 0 -
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The man in red and black wrote: »I must be the only one that has taken on the Forrest Gump style of route selection. LSR of 14 miles? Run 7 miles in one direction, turn around and run back. LSR of 20 miles? Run 10 miles in one direction, turn around and run back.:D I found it too time consuming trying to work out exact routes that started and finished in the same spot and were the correct length. Just use RunKeeper on my phone to call out the distance every mile. Nice feeling to be making the route up as you go!
No, I love out and back routes too.
In an effort to cover some of the DCM route this week in the 20 miler, I'll have to do a loop and already the thoughts of it has me in a bit of a tizzy!0 -
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The man in red and black wrote: »I must be the only one that has taken on the Forrest Gump style of route selection. LSR of 14 miles? Run 7 miles in one direction, turn around and run back. LSR of 20 miles? Run 10 miles in one direction, turn around and run back.:D I found it too time consuming trying to work out exact routes that started and finished in the same spot and were the correct length. Just use RunKeeper on my phone to call out the distance every mile. Nice feeling to be making the route up as you go!
I try to have a loop, but my loops on the LSRs are only 4 miles and I run a few different ones, loop back to the house to give me water!
I do better with a planned route than an out and back. So for the weekend, I will do 4 x 4 mile loops, and a half-mile loop around the house to keep moving while getting a drink of water and disposing of the bottle in my garden on the way past. People probably think I am a litter bug!0 -
The man in red and black wrote: »I must be the only one that has taken on the Forrest Gump style of route selection. LSR of 14 miles? Run 7 miles in one direction, turn around and run back. LSR of 20 miles? Run 10 miles in one direction, turn around and run back.:D
I hear you Forrest, I can't do 'loops' either as I need to have a 'destination' to go to and then turn 180 Degrees and head home. I will even skip a 10K race or HM if it involves doing any loops!! I did the Mondello Duathlon a few years ago which involved doing 8 laps of a 3km course and I felt like a hamster after it
What I would advise to Novices is that if possible, try to have a few undulating hills in their LSR's, and maybe have a decent hill towards the end of your LSR if at possible, just to add a bit steel to them legs without injuring yourself of course.
Only a little over 4 weeks to go to the big day, Holy Jebus where has the time gone in the last few weeks? On a positive note, the hard grind of the last few weeks is almost at an end and we enter 'Taper Mode' soon, where we all will go a bit nuts for 2-3 weeks as our regular fix of long distance running will evaporate...almost there folks, one last push and you will be ready!
Also eat and sleep well plus I would recommend taking a few vitamin C tablets (Rubex etc) and Seven Seas Cod Liver Oil tablets to keep the immune systems in good shape to help ward off any colds or flu's, as there is a lot of stuff going around at the moment and we might be a bit depleted due to the high levels of exercise in recent weeks....best of luck!0 -
The man in red and black wrote: »I must be the only one that has taken on the Forrest Gump style of route selection. LSR of 14 miles? Run 7 miles in one direction, turn around and run back. LSR of 20 miles? Run 10 miles in one direction, turn around and run back.:D
I hear you Forrest, I can't do 'loops' either as I need to have a 'destination' to go to and then turn 180 Degrees and head home. I will even skip a 10K race or HM if it involves doing any loops!! I did the Mondello Duathlon a few years ago which involved doing 8 laps of a 3km course and I felt like a hamster after it
What I would advise to Novices is that if possible, try to have a few undulating hills in their LSR's, and maybe have a decent hill towards the end of your LSR if at possible, just to add a bit steel to them legs without injuring yourself of course.
Only a little over 4 weeks to go to the big day, Holy Jebus where has the time gone in the last few weeks? On a positive note, the hard grind of the last few weeks is almost at an end and we enter 'Taper Mode' soon, where we all go a bit nuts for 2-3 weeks as our regular fix of long distance running will evaporate...almost there folks, one last push and you will be ready!
Also eat and sleep well plus I would recommend taking a few vitamin C tablets (Rubex etc) and Seven Seas Cod Liver Oil tablets to keep the immune systems in good shape to help ward off any colds or flu's, as there is a lot of stuff going around at the moment and we might be a bit depleted due to the high levels of exercise in recent weeks....best of luck!
I always try to have my lsr as one big loop. As for hills, always!!!0 -
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Hedgehoggy wrote: »The little bearer of bugs in our house has passed on her cough..... Any recommendations runner's remedies???? Wanna nip this in the bud!!!
As a fully qualified 'Scientician' (not) the general advice on Boards is not to run if anything gets into your throat or chest.
I personally use 'Codinex' for coughs as I find it is much better than regular cough mixtures, but it might be an idea to consult your pharmacist or GP first or if it starts to get a hold of you.
Good old fashioned remedies such as Lemsip, 7up and a spoonful of honey can be good too.
Best of luck...
Disclaimer: 'Smashiner or any persons claiming to be Smashiner, may not actually be fully qualified Medical Practitioners, and may not be held accountable for any advice given to others in times of sickness' 0 -
As a fully qualified 'Scientician' (not) the general advice on Boards is not to run if anything gets into your throat or chest.
I personally use 'Codinex' for coughs as I find it is much better than regular cough mixtures, but it might be an idea to consult your pharmacist or GP first or if it starts to get a hold of you.
Good old fashioned remedies such as Lemsip, 7up and a spoonful of honey can be good too.
Best of luck...
Disclaimer: 'Smashiner or any persons claiming to be Smashiner, may not actually be fully qualified Medical Practitioners, and may not be held accountable for any advice given to others in times of sickness'
Havent heard of Codinex - will def look it up! Thanks0 -
Hedgehoggy wrote: »The little bearer of bugs in our house has passed on her cough..... Any recommendations runner's remedies???? Wanna nip this in the bud!!!
I hear ya :mad: I swear by old fashioned fresh lemon and ginger in hot water. My other half swears by hot toddies
I take Vit C + Zinc all Winter as a preventative measure but it seems to be letting me down at the moment. I guess you'll get lots of different recommendations but you can't beat lots of rest & fluids. Take care and get well anyhow, better now than in 4 weeks time :eek: 0 -
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