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DCM 2018 - Mentored Novice Thread
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Last week's training went completely to plan - no calf or hip pain and I've done my highest milage to date at just over 40 miles for the week
(It's sad how much satisfaction I get crossing the runs off my spread sheet!)
I have been quite tired tho, it's getting harder to get out of bed in the morning. I have let my diet drop off a bit, there was more than one take away ordered last week so this week I've done a meal plan - I just need to stick to it!
I'm doing the Rock & Roll half marathon this weekend.
I've been advised not to race it as it's not a PB course, so my other options are to either do it as a LSR or at PMP.
If I do it as an LSR I could go out with the 2.30 pacers, but PMP would mean pacing myself to come in at 2:21.
Any advice would be very gladly taken on board
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A kitty has nine lives so if I was you I'd use up one of them and give it a go.kittyclaws wrote: »Last week's training went completely to plan - no calf or hip pain and I've done my highest milage to date at just over 40 miles for the week
(It's sad how much satisfaction I get crossing the runs off my spread sheet!)
I have been quite tired tho, it's getting harder to get out of bed in the morning. I have let my diet drop off a bit, there was more than one take away ordered last week so this week I've done a meal plan - I just need to stick to it!
I'm doing the Rock & Roll half marathon this weekend.
I've been advised not to race it as it's not a PB course, so my other options are to either do it as a LSR or at PMP.
If I do it as an LSR I could go out with the 2.30 pacers, but PMP would mean pacing myself to come in at 2:21.
Any advice would be very gladly taken on board0 -
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Well spotted. For picking up on this intentional faux pas you win a pint of fizzy in McGrattans after DCM. It will be ordered for you at 13.40 hours and taken away 10 minutes later if unclaimed :-)
And I've just noticed that one of the plans seems to be called the Nal Nigdon Hovice 1 Plan!
Plan|Monday|Tuesday|Wed|Thurs|Fri|Sat|Sun
NNH1|rest|3m easy|6m easy|3m easy|rest|12m lsr|cross
Boards|rest,cross or 3m rec|5m easy|1m w/u + 5m pace + 1m c/d|3m rec|rest,cross or 3m rec|14m lsr|rest,cross or 3m rec
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kittyclaws wrote: »Last week's training went completely to plan - no calf or hip pain and I've done my highest milage to date at just over 40 miles for the week
(It's sad how much satisfaction I get crossing the runs off my spread sheet!)
I have been quite tired tho, it's getting harder to get out of bed in the morning. I have let my diet drop off a bit, there was more than one take away ordered last week so this week I've done a meal plan - I just need to stick to it!
I'm doing the Rock & Roll half marathon this weekend.
I've been advised not to race it as it's not a PB course, so my other options are to either do it as a LSR or at PMP.
If I do it as an LSR I could go out with the 2.30 pacers, but PMP would mean pacing myself to come in at 2:21.
Any advice would be very gladly taken on board
Do you think you might like to run DCM with a pace group? It could also be seen as an opportunity to practice how that might work for you or not!
Also, it could be a good time to practice fueling on the run (have you thought of carrying any fuel, maybe gel/chews?).0 -
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A kitty has nine lives so if I was you I'd use up one of them and give it a go.
I've already used 8 of them to get this farDo you think you might like to run DCM with a pace group? It could also be seen as an opportunity to practice how that might work for you or not!
Also, it could be a good time to practice fueling on the run (have you thought of carrying any fuel, maybe gel/chews?).
I am planning on running with the 4:50 pacers in the marathon and I haven't run with pacers before - so this is probably my last chance to see how it goes. I've a new running belt to try out tooYou could do the first half with the pacers, push on after the worst of the hills
Good plan - I'll try this, I'd be surprised if I've anything left in the tank after those hills
Thanks everyone x 0 -
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Heartbreak hill isn't anything to worry about at all, its the drag up Clonskeagh before it that does the real damage.
A question, is there any advantage to training yourself to complete the runs without any gels/foods? Does taking them train your body to rely on them?
If I can physically do the runs without them should I do that, or is there no disadvantage to taking them and should always do so if the option is there?0 -
bucketybuck wrote: »Heartbreak hill isn't anything to worry about at all, its the drag up Clonskeagh before it that does the real damage.
A question, is there any advantage to training yourself to complete the runs without any gels/foods? Does taking them train your body to rely on them?
If I can physically do the runs without them should I do that, or is there no disadvantage to taking them and should always do so if the option is there?
Great question.
Ive been struggling with fueling on my lsr's.0 -
bucketybuck wrote: »Heartbreak hill isn't anything to worry about at all, its the drag up Clonskeagh before it that does the real damage.
A question, is there any advantage to training yourself to complete the runs without any gels/foods? Does taking them train your body to rely on them?
If I can physically do the runs without them should I do that, or is there no disadvantage to taking them and should always do so if the option is there?
I’ve read up on this a few times and still don’t have the answer as have read that it’s good to train with gels and not completely drain your body of energy as you need to keep training and not take recovery time as such and I’ve also read it’s good to train without them and teach your body to burn fat.
My own view to be honest is to take them if you need them. I’ve always trained with gels and over the last couple of years I’ve tried to take less and less in training. I don’t believe it’s made a difference to race day for me that I’ve taken them training. I think it would take a lot longer than one training cycle to train your body to run by burning fat. This is purely my own opinion. (It also means I have no issues with them on race day as well used to them)
Edited to say that if you can do your runs without them then I prob would but remember to practice taking them at some stage.0 -
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bucketybuck wrote: »Heartbreak hill isn't anything to worry about at all, its the drag up Clonskeagh before it that does the real damage.
A question, is there any advantage to training yourself to complete the runs without any gels/foods? Does taking them train your body to rely on them?
If I can physically do the runs without them should I do that, or is there no disadvantage to taking them and should always do so if the option is there?
As KellyGirl said there is a lot of conflicting research and science. I think at novice level it isn't something to focus on. When it gets to a stage where you're run a few marathons and the gains are getting harder and harder to find then that's the time it might be something to consider.
The big advantage to taking them is that you will be used to taking them on race day! I'd advice everyone to practice them on 2-3 of your long runs starting 6-8 weeks out from the marathon so you have plenty of time to try alternatives if they don't agree with you.
More important that taking gels/food during long runs is to get a good quality source of carbs & protein in shortly afterwards (less than 60 minutes) to aid recovery! I've mentioned chocolate milk on here before as my go-to quick refueling strategy.0 -
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Bearing the words 'keeping the main thing the main thing' in mind, and not forgetting how bad I felt last week, I have a question:
Week 15-16 (5-9 October), would a 3-4 day Camino trip, no luggage carrying, 22k 'moderate' walk per day, be a folly?
Look, it's not ideal but I'm in the camp of "life has to be lived", we're not exactly elites or paid professionals here :pac: I went on hols last year at the end of Sept/early Oct, it wasn't a hiking holiday so i just did as many of my runs as possible while i was away but i did miss a long run. You will be missing the very last long run before taper but nearer to the time we can figure how to get the best out of the days you can run before you leave. It's not ideal to skip long runs, we wouldn't be recommending it but it happens due to injury/illness/life.
Have you done any of the Camino before? How did you feel after it - did it take long to recover? It's something i'd love to do at some stage 0 -
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