Abortion ref - am I the only one who doesn't care?

A Pint of Goo

I really don't care which side wins. I'm not registered and won't be voting. I barely go on Facebook these days because I'm sick of seeing posts about abortion. In work I have people trying to tease out which side I'm on and my response of 'don't know' seems to disappoint them.

I surely can't be the only one who doesn't give a toss about the outcome?

_Dara_

Yes, you’re special.

gctest50

Welcome to boards.ie

Froshtbit

It's kind of a big deal for everybody. I dont partake in conversations related to it at work or on facebook but you know, it' understandable why people are talking about it.

A Pint of Goo

Froshtbit wrote: »

It's kind of a big deal for everybody. I dont partake in conversations related to it at work or on facebook but you know, it' understandable why people are talking about it.

I get that's a big deal for a lot of people, but there's surely plenty of people like me who don't give a ****?

milehip

I know at one person who ain't voting and holds the opinion that stuff like this just divides society and that your opinion isn't that important or something like that

Conor Bourke

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

I get that's a big deal for a lot of people, but there's surely plenty of people like me who don't give a ****?

So edgy

Noveight

Why start a thread on your lack of interest in something..?

A Pint of Goo

Cornelius Crow wrote: »

So edgy

How is that edgy?

Noveight wrote: »

Why start a thread on your lack of interest in something..?

Because I seem to the only person who doesn't care. Everyone I know irl seems caught up in it.

Franz Von Peppercorn

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

I really don't care which side wins. I'm not registered and won't be voting. I barely go on Facebook these days because I'm sick of seeing posts about abortion. In work I have people trying to tease out which side I'm on and my response of 'don't know' seems to disappoint them.

I surely can't be the only one who doesn't give a toss about the outcome?

Couldn’t give a sh1t. Housing and health far more important. Probably will vote yes if I can bother my arse to get out there.

swampgas

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

I really don't care which side wins. I'm not registered and won't be voting. I barely go on Facebook these days because I'm sick of seeing posts about abortion. In work I have people trying to tease out which side I'm on and my response of 'don't know' seems to disappoint them.

I surely can't be the only one who doesn't give a toss about the outcome?

You're probably not the only one, but your attitude also suggests that you don't give a toss about women, including any female friends, sisters, aunts, nieces, cousins who might be affected by the 8th.

Maybe you should ask them what they think about it, you might learn something.

ShooterSF

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

I really don't care which side wins. I'm not registered and won't be voting. I barely go on Facebook these days because I'm sick of seeing posts about abortion. In work I have people trying to tease out which side I'm on and my response of 'don't know' seems to disappoint them.

I surely can't be the only one who doesn't give a toss about the outcome?

Probably in a minority alright but I'm sure there are plenty of people that feel that way, of course you're not going to see many people in the discussions if they're not interested though. It'd be a pretty short thread. "I don't care." "Me neither." End.

andekwarhola

I feel strongly about it in my own way and will vote but I too completely swerve any discussion about it as I don't really like all the vitriol and lecturing.

freshpopcorn

I have a few friends on facebook who are into the repeal or keep campaign. Apart from that I don't hear much talk about it to be honest.

Omackeral

I'll be voting YES myself but to be honest OP, you're entitled to have no great for or against view on it if you want. I don't see how it's edgy really, as has been said here. I would say though that reading some unbiased material,even at a glance, would be a decent thing to do. If you're informed and still undecided, that's fine by me. I'd usually vote for freedom on choice on things, even if they don't effect me. You're not forcing anything on anyone, just giving more options to those who might need or want them.

Ave Sodalis

I'm always amused by people who go to such lengths to tell other people how much they don't care about something. Some people open and leave comments on thread others have started, others go as far as starting their own threads. It doesn't matter the topic but if it's any way popular or current, you're going to have at least one person try to tell people how much they don't care about it.

freshpopcorn

swampgas wrote: »

You're probably not the only one, but your attitude also suggests that you don't give a toss about women, including any female friends, sisters, aunts, nieces, cousins who might be affected by the 8th.

Maybe you should ask them what they think about it, you might learn something.

A guy I was really good friends with in school listened to stuff online and posters and decided to show compassion to woman(mainly his girlfriend) he put a 'Together For Yes' banner on his Facebook profile. It was then he learnt she was pro-life. Poor lad didn't know what to do.

A Pint of Goo

freshpopcorn wrote: »

A guy I was really good friends with in school listened to stuff online and posters and decided to show compassion to woman(mainly his girlfriend) he put a 'Together For Yes' banner on his Facebook profile. It was then he learnt she was pro-life. Poor lad didn't know what to do.

Ha ha poor sod.

endacl

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

I get that's a big deal for a lot of people, but there's surely plenty of people like me who don't give a ****?

Yep. There are a few. Whatever word describes the opposite of grownup, but not a child. That'd be the word for them.

Omackeral

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

I'm always amused by people who go to such lengths to tell other people how much they don't care about something. Some people open and leave comments on thread others have started, others go as far as starting their own threads. It doesn't matter the topic but if it's any way popular or current, you're going to have at least one person try to tell people how much they don't care about it.

It's hardly great lengths. It's just a thread! You're giving out about him giving out!

Arcade_Tryer

There is a difference between not caring about the referendum and not realising the importance of the result. The latter is quite an astonishing admittance of ignorance for any adult who has grown up in Ireland.

Ave Sodalis

freshpopcorn wrote:

A guy I was really good friends with in school listened to stuff online and posters and decided to show compassion to woman(mainly his girlfriend) he put a 'Together For Yes' banner on his Facebook profile. It was then he learnt she was pro-life. Poor lad didn't know what to do.

At least he did his own research and made up his own mind on it. His girlfriend may not be too impressed but I'm impressed he put thought and consideration into it, instead of just doing something because others said he should.

A Pint of Goo

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

There is a difference between not caring about the referendum and not realising the importance of the result. The latter is quite an astonishing admittance of ignorance for any adult who has grown up in Ireland.

This is what I find interesting. I'm 'supposed' to care, I don't. And why should I?

endacl

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

This is what I find interesting. I'm 'supposed' to care, I don't. And why should I?

You shouldn't 'care'. You should take an interest, because you're a grownup.

List a few things you do care about, just so we can get a more rounded picture of you.

Ave Sodalis

Omackeral wrote:

It's hardly great lengths. It's just a thread! You're giving out about him giving out!

Ah but there are many things I don't care about and so I don't bother about them. I don't start conversations about them, I skip over threads about them, and overall just don't spend much energy worrying about them.
I'm not giving out so much as acknowledging my amusement of it.

Arcade_Tryer

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

This is what I find interesting. I'm 'supposed' to care, I don't. And why should I?

No. Read the post again. You're not "supposed" to care. There is zero obligation to care.

However, to not grasp the severity of the situation and the importance of the referendum result is an astonishing admittance of ignorance.

But to repeat, you do not have to "care". However, for many people, one follows the other, in that a better understanding of the situation leads to a greater tendency to "care".

A Pint of Goo

endacl wrote: »

You shouldn't 'care'. You should take an interest, because you're a grownup.

List a few things you do care about, just so we can get a more rounded picture of you.

I don't agree that I 'have' to take in a interest in something just because it's important to you personally.

freshpopcorn

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

At least he did his own research and made up his own mind on it. His girlfriend may not be too impressed but I'm impressed he put thought and consideration into it, instead of just doing something because others said he should.

He didn't put any real consideration into it. All the media campaigns say this is equality for women/show compassion/etc. So, he went with it thinking she'd have liked it. He didn't do any real research into what exactly what we're voting on/etc/

A Pint of Goo

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

No. Read the post again. You're not "supposed" to care. There is zero obligation to care.

However, to not grasp the severity of the situation and the importance of the referendum result is an astonishing admittance of ignorance.

But to repeat, you do not have to "care". However, for many people, one follows the other, in that a better understanding of the situation leads to a greater tendency to "care".

The result is not important to me.

Ave Sodalis

freshpopcorn wrote:

He didn't put any real consideration into it. All the media campaigns say this is equality for women/show compassion/etc. So, he went with it thinking she'd have liked it. He didn't do any real research into what exactly what we're voting on/etc/

Oh. Nevermind so! It sounded like he researched it and made up his own mind. Maybe he will now since trying to appease someone left him in a sticky spot. Maybe...

DaveyDave

At least you have the option to not vote. These women don't have a choice to get an abortion.

I think it's pretty childish to not vote. You don't have to care about it to vote, it's got nothing to do with social media either. I'm not engaging in any social media or conversation at work about it.

I'll be there to vote Yes. It's fine if people disagree with abortion but the fact of the matter is this vote is to do with giving women choice.

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

The result is not important to me.

You're a great addition to our society...

Franz Von Peppercorn

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Ah but there are many things I don't care about and so I don't bother about them. I don't start conversations about them, I skip over threads about them, and overall just don't spend much energy worrying about them.
I'm not giving out so much as acknowledging my amusement of it.

It’s perfectly legit for him to open a thread about this - there’s a certain argument to incredulity about people who think this should be an important topic to everybody.

Arcade_Tryer

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

The result is not important to me.

Nor me. But it is important for society. And understanding that is what separates the ignorant from the informed, the completely self centred from the somewhat socially conscious, and the boys from the men.

A Pint of Goo

What is interesting is how I'm being hectored by some people here to vote, as if my not caring offends them.

A Pint of Goo

DaveyDave wrote: »

At least you have the option to not vote. These women don't have a choice to get an abortion.

I think it's pretty childish to not vote. You don't have to care about it to vote, it's got nothing to do with social media either. I'm not engaging in any social media or conversation at work about it.

I'll be there to vote Yes. It's fine if people disagree with abortion but the fact of the matter is this vote is to do with giving women choice.



You're a great addition to our society...

You realise pro lifers are just as likely to lecture me as your side? Surely my not voting is a good thing for you in that case?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Nor me. But it is important for society. And understanding that is what separates the ignorant from the informed, the completely self centred from the somewhat socially conscious, and the boys from the men.

Lol. That’s basically a generalised ad hominem.

Abortion is a medical procedure that women can go abroad to access without legal repercussions.

After the referendum they can have the medical procedure here.

That’s great and it’s an advance but a minor one. There’s lots more important issues in Ireland, and indeed abroad. These issues are however in general less fashionable.

freshpopcorn

My aunt in her early sixties is the strangest thing yet. She used often speak about being in favor of abortion. She kicked up a terrible fuss about Lucinda's stance on it a few years ago. Now, that she has the chance to vote for some reason she's not. She says it should be up to women who it effects!

pleas advice

endacl wrote: »

Yep. There are a few. Whatever word describes the opposite of grownup, but not a child. That'd be the word for them.

a fetus?

Arcade_Tryer

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Lol. That’s basically a generalised ad hominem.

No. It's a defence of voting.

Abortion is a medical procedure that women can go abroad to access without legal repercussions.

After the referendum they can have the medical procedure here.

That’s great and it’s an advance but a minor one. There’s lots more important issues in Ireland, and indeed abroad. These issues are however in general less fashionable.

There always are. And what's wrong with fashion?

Simi

freshpopcorn wrote: »

My aunt in her early sixties is the strangest thing yet. She used often speak about being in favor of abortion. She kicked up a terrible fuss about Lucinda's stance on it a few years ago. Now, that she has the chance to vote for some reason she's not. She says it should be up to women who it effects!

I can understand that, wanting to step aside and let the people directly affected decide their own fate.

Unfortunately I doubt many on the other side of the aisle will share such a reflective view & attitudes like that could well sink the yes vote.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

No. It's a defence of voting.


There always are. And what's wrong with fashion?

Fashion think is the worst kind of think.

(Not my words but the words of 1980’s DJ Albert Einstein.)

I wish the yes campaign well, I may bother my arse voting or I may not. It’s not very important to me either way.

I’ll prove that by unfollowing the thread

DaveyDave

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

You realise pro lifers are just as likely to lecture me as your side? Surely my not voting is a good thing for you in that case?

If you getting a lecture from prolifers means not voting is a good thing for the Yes side, then you're implying you'd vote no. I thought you didn't care?

Arcade_Tryer

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Fashion think is the worst kind of think.

(Not my words but the words of 1980’s DJ Albert Einstein.)

I wish the yes campaign well, I may bother my arse voting or I may not. It’s not very important to me either way.

I’ll prove that by unfollowing the thread

Disagree with DJ MC^2 on that one. Good fashion exists.

It's not very important to me either. But I'll be sure to vote. Because it's very important.

Toastytoes

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

The result is not important to me.

You have no idea how quickly the result could become important to you. If you have a partner, a sister, a niece, a friend who is or will be of child bearing age in the future, then this could easily land on your doorstep. Do you have any idea how common miscarriage is? Do you know how the 8 amendment affects the care of pregnant women in this country whose pregnancies are in difficultly through no fault of their own? It’s not just the people who want to have an abortion. It’s about the health and medical treatment of pregnant women all over the country. It’s not just a crisis pregnancy issue.

It’s a bit rich as a man to say there are more important issues than this such as health. This is a women’s health issue ffs.

Ill informed people like you shouldn’t have a vote on such an important issue.

To think women had to fight for their vote and people like you were handed one for having a penis....

Omackeral

Toastytoes wrote: »

Ill informed people like you shouldn’t have a vote on such an important issue.

Just as well he's not voting then isn't it?! :pac:

chite

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Couldn’t give a sh1t. Housing and health far more important. Probably will vote yes if I can bother my arse to get out there.

Well given that the 8th gives precedence to a foetus over the mother, which can be to the detriment of their health or even in some case their lives (eg. Shelia Hodgers) if the pregnancy puts them at risk due to existing health issues, or any caused as a result of being pregnant - so to vote yes is to allow unhindered access to a service for women's health and well-being if they require it.

end of the road

swampgas wrote: »

You're probably not the only one, but your attitude also suggests that you don't give a toss about women, including any female friends, sisters, aunts, nieces, cousins who might be affected by the 8th.

i would have to disagree. he can care about women but not about a referendum. it's possible to do both.

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

This is what I find interesting. I'm 'supposed' to care, I don't. And why should I?

you don't have to. it's up to you at the end of the day. my view would be that it is about the type of society you would like to live in ultimately, and you should vote whichever way you feel is the best outcome. but it's okay not to be interested in the referendum if that is how you feel. you are not wrong for feeling as you do, you feel how you feel.

chite wrote: »

Well given that the 8th gives precedence to a foetus over the mother, which can be to the detriment of their health or even in some case their lives (eg. Shelia Hodgers) if the pregnancy puts them at risk due to existing health issues, or any caused as a result of being pregnant - so to vote yes is to allow unhindered access to a service for women's health and well-being if they require it.

to be fair, Sheila Hodgers died before the 8th was implemented.

DaveyDave

DaveyDave wrote: »

At least you have the option to not vote. These women don't have a choice to get an abortion.

I think it's pretty childish to not vote. You don't have to care about it to vote, it's got nothing to do with social media either. I'm not engaging in any social media or conversation at work about it.

I'll be there to vote Yes. It's fine if people disagree with abortion but the fact of the matter is this vote is to do with giving women choice.



You're a great addition to our society...

If that's the case, then theres hundreds of thousands in the same bracket? Roughly 40% of the electorate didn't vote in the marriage equality referendum.

Rubberchikken

Ill vote yes. Not because i care, i dont, but because i just feel that a yes vote is the correct one.

Toastytoes

Omackeral wrote: »

Just as well he's not voting then isn't it?! :pac:

The fact he’s not registered suggests this isn’t the first time he couldn’t be bothered to vote. I’d normally advocate using your vote but with this guy I feel like he’s no loss tbh and I wouldn’t be expecting him to make an informed decision on how to vote anyway.

A Pint of Goo

Toastytoes wrote: »

Ill informed people like you shouldn’t have a vote on such an important issue.

To think women had to fight for their vote and people like you were handed one for having a penis....

As ignorant as I am, I'm not as ignorant as you. The majority of men weren't given the right to vote because they have a penis