Pedestrian cyclist accident

ted1

Patww79 wrote: »

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No. You expect cars to be there.[/quote]
But if the green man is lit you expect them
to stop.

So what you are saying is that you must expect cars to proceed and hence are take personal responsibility.

Which is the same here , while the cyclist is 100% in the wrong he is not 100% responsibile, the op should have ensured it was safe to cross by looking in both directions.

Budawanny

Fairly simple. You have no moral or legal responsibility . Cycling the wrong way up a road is illegal , and if a cyclist is going to do that (not condoning ) then they must be completely on a mind to expect the unexpected.
Not on the OP.

threetrees

If you walked out in front of a car in a similar situation who'd be at fault? The car I reckon. The bike was another road user, he's at fault.

Another poster early on this thread made a point about electric vehicles being silent, we have to watch more and listen now. Pedestrians will hopefully be more aware of silent road users, EVs ....... and cyclists.

work

Is it legal to just step out on the road in Ireland or cross anywhere or is there an equivalent law to jaywalking. In other words are pedestrians legally required to cross at designated areas? Lots of cars and bikes break red lights but going through a green light sometimes feels like Russian Roulette in Dublin where a pedestrian can be shot off at any second?

The Bishop Basher

Let’s play “spot the cyclist”..

newcavanman

ballyharpat wrote: »

If I am riding the wrong way down a street, or a lane that is rarely used by cars or other vehicles, I always give pedestrians or kids on bicycles the right of way, it's courtesy, and in this case, he was breaking the law.

Says a lot about cyclists.perhaps if there was an easy way to identify cyclists, as with reg numbers on cars, then you might consoder following the rules. Cyclists are always the first to complain when other drivers disobey any rules, but seem to be very selective on the ones that they themselves bother obeying

Lumen

work wrote: »

Is it legal to just step out on the road in Ireland or cross anywhere or is there an equivalent law to jaywalking. In other words are pedestrians legally required to cross at designated areas?

On a roadway on which a traffic sign number RPC 001 [pedestrian crossing] has been provided, a pedestrian shall not cross the roadway within 15 metres of the crossing, except by the crossing.

Lumen

RPC 001 is defined suchly...

38. (1) Traffic sign number RPC 001 shall indicate a pedestrian crossing.

(2) The traffic sign to which sub-article (1) refers shall consist of the following:

(a) roadway markings consisting of two parallel continuous white lines, each approximately 100 millimetres wide, not less than 2 metres and not more than 6 metres apart, extending where there is no traffic refuge at the crossing, across the full width of the road, and where there is a traffic refuge at the crossing, from the edge of each side of the roadway to the nearer limit of the traffic refuge;

(b) a beacon at or near each end of the crossing and, where there is a traffic refuge at the crossing, a beacon on the traffic refuge, each beacon emitting, save as is provided in sub-article (3) at regular intervals flashes of yellow light at the rate of not more than forty-five and not less than thirty-five flashes a minute; and

(c) roadway markings consisting of alternate black and white stripes drawn parallel to the line of the roadway within the limits of the roadway markings described in paragraph (a) and extending longitudinally to within approximately 100 millimetres of each of the said markings, each stripe being not less than 500 millimetres and not more than 715 millimetres wide except the stripe at the edge of each side of the roadway which shall be not less than 500 millimetres and not more than 1.3 metres wide and shall be black in colour.

(3) The requirement that each beacon at a pedestrian crossing shall emit a flashing light shall not apply in respect of a crossing at which, for the time being, one and only one of the beacons has failed so to light.

(4) In this article; "beacon" means a spherical globe which is yellow in colour and approximately 300 millimetres in diameter, and is mounted not less than 2.1 metres and not more than 4.2 metres above the surface of the ground in the immediate vicinity.

work

Lumen wrote: »

On a roadway on which a traffic sign number RPC 001 [pedestrian crossing] has been provided, a pedestrian shall not cross the roadway within 15 metres of the crossing, except by the crossing.

Does this mean that the OP was breaking the law exactly as the cyclist. Interesting nobody points that out the OP though aware they should have looked forgets this. Anyway in my opinion equal blame. No case to answer

work

Does this mean if more than 15 metres from a pedestrian crossing you can walk on the road? I am confused so was the OP breaking the law?

magicbastarder

newcavanman wrote: »

Says a lot about cyclists.perhaps if there was an easy way to identify cyclists, as with reg numbers on cars, then you might consoder following the rules. Cyclists are always the first to complain when other drivers disobey any rules, but seem to be very selective on the ones that they themselves bother obeying

hello and welcome to the cycling forum.
before you post again, please read the charter, paying specific attention to this section:

8. Negativity

There are lots of places on the internet where you can have a rant about cyclists. This isn't one of them. This is a place for people with an interest in cycling to discuss cycling. If you treat it as a venue for holding all cyclists to account for perceived or actual misbehaviour by some, you can expect to find your access swiftly removed. In short, we are not your punching bag. If you really do want do want an answer to your gripe, do a search. The usual topics, such as cycle lanes, cycling two abreast etc. have been discussed, ad nauseam, many, many times before

beauf

Omg some one broke a rule who would have been expecting that.... Always expect thy unexpected imo.

Glad you're ok op dunno the point of this thread though.

eeeee

Cyclist should have not been going the wrong way down a wrong way street, without a shadow of a doubt.
I always look to make sure the road is clear before crossing it as a pedestrian though, and look both ways. Might be because I'm a culchie and one way roads didn't exist when I grew up. It's been 16 years but still not out of the habit :pac: That said I am careless and casual as a pedestrian in a way I'd never be on the bike.

Lumen

work wrote: »

Does this mean if more than 15 metres from a pedestrian crossing you can walk on the road?

Yes, or more specifically cross the road.

Rechuchote

Lemming wrote: »

Personally I think both parties are culpable here. Cyclist should not have been there, but that still doesn't excuse the OP blindly stepping out without looking.

(One of many similar.)

When did we become so crazy about blaming each other in Ireland? We're like a lot of kids in a kindergarten - "Miss! Miss! He did it! Miss!"

A few years back Irish people were known for our relaxed kindness and "ah, sure" unwillingness to assign blame. Why can't we return to that? It was a valuable facility.

el tel

ted1 wrote: »

It does matter. If it went to court the judge would say that there’s a requirement to ensure it’s clear before you cross.

Since when has the green cross code become law?

Weepsie

el tel wrote: »

Since when has the green cross code become law?

It hasn't, but pedestrians have a duty of care too

A pedestrian shall exercise care and take all reasonable precautions to avoid causing danger or inconvenience to traffic and other pedestrians,

Now depending on a judge's mood they might say their time is being wasted

Sleeper12

Cyclist in this case was 100 percent in the wrong. If you were in Dublin city the road markings won't say look both ways. They will say look right crossing the road. This is your legal responsibility. As you know common sense says look both ways. Glad you both seem OK afterwards