African gang beat the sh*t out of two gardai with a baseball bat.

Omackeral

Dr Brown wrote: »

Whatever country their parents came from.

Deport them to where their parents came from? What if they’ve never even been out of Ireland? Do the parents have to go with them? What if their parents where born here but their grandparents are from Africa. How many generations does it go back or is just the one?

Nettle Soup

Dr Brown wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

A most ceremonial role .

The president could bring down the government if they wanted to.

He is not a member of the government. He could not bring himself down.

Galwayguy35

Obviously if they are born here they can't be deported but I doubt any of the fellas who attacked the guards were born in Ireland so give them a one way ticket back to Lagos.

Also any blacks who were born here and are creating trouble should remember that the Irish gave their parents a safe place to live and if circumstances were different they might be living in a shanty town instead of Dublin.

Nettle Soup

mattser wrote: »

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I reckon the Gardai are a racist bunch alright. Corrupt and lazy too.

Would you call them if burglars were trying to gain access to your house at 3am ?

Only if they were Africans.

mattser

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Only if they were Africans.

I'd say in a squeaky bum moment you'd be on the blower in a flash, regardless of their race.

jim salter

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Anyone who uses the term "bleeding hearts" is a gob****e, and I base that on a hell of lot of posts...

So, you are calling me a gobshíté?

Wheeliebin30

Countries gone to ****e.

Give a man an inch......

ressem

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Countries gone to ****e.

Ireland? Compared to what golden age? The 80s and before?

The few times that people have tried to attack me while walking to work, put a knife to my neck have been irish teens with middle class suffering parents and attending rugby schools. I still don't think they should be shot.

In contrast, the vast majority of migrants, including south african and nigerian have been decent people. Some of the black kids were treated brutally awfully by the knee-jerk hostile gob****e 'schoolmates' in the 80s, and still put most of it behind them.

Observing and trying to intervene in that crap is what made some of us 'liberals' and gave decent reason to object to some of the kneejerk garbage.

I've had the silent burgler alarm go off in the building while working on maintenance overnight, to have 3 guards arrive in the server room. Who wants them to be tired and gun-toting in that situation?
Tasers at least would be mostly recoverable, though predictably there would be plenty of friendly-fire and long term injuries even using those.

The amount of training that you need to rapidly assess a situation and use a firearm is huge and constant.
In most situations, definitely the best approach is to back up, and call in specialists.

Maybe calling for the criminal assets bureau to have it's funding and staffing increased from 70 people and 6.7 million quid would be better at hitting the drug and crime gangs; rather than 14,000 odd guns and all the infrastructure to maintain keep track of them, and each bullet fired, and all the training.

This notion that people don't fear the Gardai because they don't have guns?

Problem is that there's plenty of people that are mentally damaged, either naturally or through substances that the Gardai come in contact with. Even very mild conditions can weaken self control and mean that the fear / freeze response doesn't kick in.
When a gun is pointed at someone you can't assume they will behave the same way. Some will go full aggressive, despite no need or reason.

If the criminals knew that any sign of criminal gain would get a full CAB trawl of all their assets and belongings, that might be a better discouragement.

Billy86

Dr Brown wrote: »

Whatever country their parents came from.

Besides the obvious, ridiculous strain that would put on our prison system when the US, Aussies and UK (combined 420mn or so population between just htose three) send all their prisoners of Irish heritage here, what do you propose when the countries we try to send Irish citizens to based on their parents/grandparents/etc birthplace, simply (and rightly) tell us to fuck off?

Dr Brown

Billy86 wrote: »

Besides the obvious, ridiculous strain that would put on our prison system when the US, Aussies and UK (combined 420mn or so population between just htose three) send all their prisoners of Irish heritage here, what do you propose when the countries we try to send Irish citizens to based on their parents/grandparents/etc birthplace, simply (and rightly) tell us to fuck off?

We have only had mass Immigration into Ireland over the past 20 years so it wouldn't be hard to send these people back to their lands of origin if they're involved in crime.

Deporting these people would also send a strong signal to other Immigrant groups NOT to get involved in crime.

Billy86

Dr Brown wrote: »

We have only had mass Immigration into Ireland over the past 20 years so it wouldn't be hard to send these people back to their lands of origin if they're involved in crime.

Deporting these people would also send a strong signal to other Immigrant groups NOT to get involved in crime.

I'll just ask the same question again since you didn't even attempt to answer it:

Besides the obvious, ridiculous strain that would put on our prison system when the US, Aussies and UK (combined 420mn or so population between just those three) send all their prisoners of Irish heritage here, what do you propose when the countries we try to send Irish born citizens to based on their parents/grandparents/etc birthplace, simply (and rightly) tell us to **** off?

Here, just fill in the blank:

Judge: Adi, you are sentenced to be deported to Iran even though you have never been there, because that is where your dad was born.

Iranian government: Ireland, **** off, they were not born here and have never been to this country. We're not taking them.

Ireland: ______________.

Dr Brown

Billy86 wrote: »

I'll just ask the same question again since you didn't even attempt to answer it:

Besides the obvious, ridiculous strain that would put on our prison system when the US, Aussies and UK (combined 420mn or so population between just those three) send all their prisoners of Irish heritage here, what do you propose when the countries we try to send Irish born citizens to based on their parents/grandparents/etc birthplace, simply (and rightly) tell us to **** off?
.

You are not comparing like with like.

Australia and America are Immigrant nations Ireland is not.

Here, just fill in the blank:

Judge: Adi, you are sentenced to be deported to Iran even though you have never been there, because that is where your dad was born.

Iranian government: Ireland, **** off, they were not born here and have never been to this country. We're not taking them.

Ireland: ______________.

We spend over half a billion a year on foreign aid.

All we would have to do is to say to countries who are in receipt of foreign aid is that you will have to take some of our foreign criminals if you want the aid to keep coming.

Greyling

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Obviously if they are born here they can't be deported but I doubt any of the fellas who attacked the guards were born in Ireland so give them a one way ticket back to Lagos.

Also any blacks who were born here and are creating trouble should remember that the Irish gave their parents a safe place to live and if circumstances were different they might be living in a shanty town instead of Dublin.

What about people with a white Irish parent and a foreign black parent? Should they only be semi-grateful?

What about kids in Dublin with parents from the country? Should they be grateful to live in a metropolitan utopia away from the ****e and sheep they deserve?

PlaneSpeeking

Greyling wrote: »

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Obviously if they are born here they can't be deported but I doubt any of the fellas who attacked the guards were born in Ireland so give them a one way ticket back to Lagos.

Also any blacks who were born here and are creating trouble should remember that the Irish gave their parents a safe place to live and if circumstances were different they might be living in a shanty town instead of Dublin.

What about people with a white Irish parent and a foreign black parent? Should they only be semi-grateful?

What about kids in Dublin with parents from the country? Should they be grateful to live in a metropolitan utopia away from the ****e and sheep they deserve?

Yeah cos being given the privilege of living with all bills paid in a free country where you are safe - that's the same as getting the train up from Carlow to work or live.

Galwayguy35

I'd say at least some of the blacks causing trouble would have been born here before we voted on the referendum to stop the children of people from non EU countries being granted automatic citizenship so that could be a reason they have no respect for the country they are fortunate to have been born in.

It's worth noting many liberals were against this referendum, as bad as things are now one can only imagine the mess we would have on our hands if it didn't pass.

Galwayguy35

Greyling wrote: »

What about people with a white Irish parent and a foreign black parent? Should they only be semi-grateful?

What about kids in Dublin with parents from the country? Should they be grateful to live in a metropolitan utopia away from the ****e and sheep they deserve?

That's a stupid post and you know it.

You're obviously not able to contribute anything worth while to the debate so stop clogging up the thread with drivel like you just posted.

Billy86

Dr Brown wrote: »

You are not comparing like with like.

Australia and America are Immigrant nations Ireland is not.

Every nation is an immigrant nation, and we've been experiencing immigration for centuries, particularly from the UK.

We spend over half a billion a year on foreign aid.

All we would have to do is to say to countries who are in receipt of foreign aid is that you will have to take some of our foreign criminals if you want the aid to keep coming.

If only the world were that simple, but over half of our aid is multilateral and over a quarter is from NGOs - it's not a matter of "let's turn the tap on or off as we please".

Meanwhile, under your proposal we'd be taking in hundreds of thousands of convicts from countries around the world, and don't pretend you wouldn't be one of the first in line complaining about it.

Cordell

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'd say at least some of the blacks causing trouble would have been born here before we voted on the referendum to stop the children of people from non EU countries being granted automatic citizenship so that could be a reason they have no respect for the country they are fortunate to have been born in.

It's worth noting many liberals were against this referendum, as bad as things are now one can only imagine the mess we would have on our hands if it didn't pass.

They should still respect the country that allowed them or their parent to settle in and asked them nothing in return, just expect them to integrate and contribute.

Greyling

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

That's a stupid post and you know it.

You're obviously not able to contribute anything worth while to the debate so stop clogging up the thread with drivel like you just posted.

Ask a stupid question...

Captain Obvious

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'd say at least some of the blacks causing trouble would have been born here before we voted on the referendum to stop the children of people from non EU countries being granted automatic citizenship so that could be a reason they have no respect for the country they are fortunate to have been born in.

It's worth noting many liberals were against this referendum, as bad as things are now one can only imagine the mess we would have on our hands if it didn't pass.

I see we've dropped all pretence and are just blaming "the blacks" now.

ressem

Dr Brown wrote: »

Well I don't think they are Doctors and Engineers like we told most of these people are.

CSO says that of 75.8 thousand inward migrants (over 15yo, 2017), 48.6 thousand had a 3rd level degree or higher. Some will be returning Irish though.
Vs. for outward migrants, 24.9 thousand out of 56.6 thousand
http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2017/

Cordell wrote: »

They should still respect the country that allowed them or their parent to settle in and asked them nothing in return, just expect them to integrate and contribute.

Everyone should do that. And I'd guess every one of use knows people that spit on it, take their family, community, and well-being for granted and whine that they don't have more.

And here and in the UK, we've see that if groups become isolated, distrusted and distrustful, then we'll be spending hundreds of millions on trying to get their members back into schooling and employment, out of crime.

Less sure about holding the 6000 or so Nigerians to a higher requirement, while simultaneously treating them with suspicion and contempt (that we don't do for 2700 Russians or 1100 mexicans or 9000 Chinese or 7000 Pakistanis)

Are there going to be some criminal bollixes among them yeah.
According to the Irish Prisons site (Nov 2016)
36 africans (out of 22,150),
25 asian (out of 50,000),
74 british out of 103,000,
179 EU out of 300,000.
https://www.irishprisons.ie/wp-content/uploads/documents_pdf/SNAPSHOT-Nationality-Sentenced-Year-2016-to-Year-2007.pdf
http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/

Higher percentage of convictions per capita for African natives, but nowhere near enough to justify the hate and mistrust.

Irish people are more heavily over-represented in UK prisons. 746. 7% of the total prison population.

punisher5112

There is a guy who frequents rathmines, portobello, Camden street area who has a huge fro always has a big wooly hat on and usually head phones.

He is dealing in that area and in my job I've come across him a few occasions.

He has now threatened me 3 times such as abusive language to going to rape my mother, sisters brothers father etc oh and kids..... Also that he will stick me and stab my whole family....

Yesterday I seen him as I was driving by and 2 Garda bike units.
I stopped them and told them the story and they went off after him to have a word which was nice to see.

Last time had trouble he didn't expect me to stand my ground and he backed down as he was very very close to going for a swim in the Liffey.

Dr Brown

Billy86 wrote: »

Every nation is an immigrant nation, and we've been experiencing immigration for centuries, particularly from the UK.


If only the world were that simple, but over half of our aid is multilateral and over a quarter is from NGOs - it's not a matter of "let's turn the tap on or off as we please".

Meanwhile, under your proposal we'd be taking in hundreds of thousands of convicts from countries around the world, and don't pretend you wouldn't be one of the first in line complaining about it.

It is that simple. Most countries including Ireland who give foreign aid link the aid with the "human rights" record of the recipient country.

All we would have to do is change the policy to make these
countries to stop sending us bogus asylum seekers and except back their migrant criminals.

Billy86

Dr Brown wrote: »

It is that simple. Most countries including Ireland who give foreign aid link the aid with the "human rights" record of the recipient country.

It's not that simple no matter how much you want it to be. I literally just explained why - over three quarters of that aid is multilateral and/or NGOs. Are you suggesting we back out of these deals and bodies over this issue, and if so what do we put in their place? And how do you suggest the government stop non-government bodies from providing aid to specific countries?

All we would have to do is change the policy to make these
countries to stop sending us bogus asylum seekers and except back their migrant criminals.

And again, why are you so eager for us to take on hundreds of thousands of criminals, and how do you suggest we fund this? It's currently around 4,000 if I recall and you want to multiple this by 50-100 times which I'll give you, is hilariously absurd.

Dr Brown

Billy86 wrote: »

It's not that simple no matter how much you want it to be. I literally just explained why - over three quarters of that aid is multilateral and/or NGOs. Are you suggesting we back out of these deals and bodies over this issue, and if so what do we put in their place? And how do you suggest the government stop non-government bodies from providing aid to specific countries?

I never agreed with the concept of foreign aid in the first place but while we have it we might as well use it for some good.

And again, why are you so eager for us to take on hundreds of thousands of criminals, and how do you suggest we fund this? It's currently around 4,000 if I recall and you want to multiple this by 50-100 times which I'll give you, is hilariously absurd.

The US already sends Irish criminals back to Ireland and it is nowhere near the 100s of thousands your talking about.

Billy86

Dr Brown wrote: »

I never agreed with the concept of foreign aid in the first place but while we have it we might as well use it for some good.

Again, you're not answering the question. You really have not thought this out much at all, have you? Do you suggest we back out of multiple deals and bodies such as the EU over this issue, and if so what do we put in their place? And how do you suggest the government stop non-government bodies from providing aid to specific countries?

The US already sends Irish criminals back to Ireland and it is nowhere near the 100s of thousands your talking about.

That's bollocks, the US do not send all of their American born and raised citizens who happen to have Irish ancestry over here for prison and you know this.

punisher5112

Oh I forgot to mention I also have a few photos of this guy....

Dr Brown

Billy86 wrote: »

Again, you're not answering the question. You really have not thought this out much at all, have you? Do you suggest we back out of multiple deals and bodies such as the EU over this issue, and if so what do we put in their place? And how do you suggest the government stop non-government bodies from providing aid to specific countries?

I would just get rid of it. The Irish people were never asked if they wanted to give half a billion in foreign aid while we have a homeless crisis and our health service is falling apart.

That's bollocks, the US do not send all of their American born and raised citizens who happen to have Irish ancestry over here for prison and you know this.

I never said they did but they do send back Irish criminals and in some cases revoke US citizenship.

When was the last time you heard of Irish citizenship been revoked ?

Edgarfrndly

punisher5112 wrote: »

There is a guy who frequents rathmines, portobello, Camden street area who has a huge fro always has a big wooly hat on and usually head phones.

He is dealing in that area and in my job I've come across him a few occasions.

He has now threatened me 3 times such as abusive language to going to rape my mother, sisters brothers father etc oh and kids..... Also that he will stick me and stab my whole family....

Yesterday I seen him as I was driving by and 2 Garda bike units.
I stopped them and told them the story and they went off after him to have a word which was nice to see.

Last time had trouble he didn't expect me to stand my ground and he backed down as he was very very close to going for a swim in the Liffey.

Record him the next time he does it.

punisher5112

Edgarfrndly wrote: »

Record him the next time he does it.

Not so easy when driving and then I'd be done.

I have 4 photos of the time on the quays in town.
Obviously not posting them up here but I have them stored if any further problems.

Billy86

Dr Brown wrote: »

I would just get rid of it. The Irish people were never asked if they wanted to give half a billion in foreign aid while we have a homeless crisis and our health service is falling apart.

So when we decide to leave the EU, UN and so on... what happens to our economy, and what is your alternative for it not completely tanking and making the homeless crisis much worse while crippling our health services?

I never said they did but they do send back Irish criminals and in some cases revoke US citizenship.

When was the last time you heard of Irish citizenship been revoked ?

That is exactly what you said:

Nettle soup: What if they were born in Eire? Deport them where?
You: Whatever country their parents came from.

So since this would mean the US, UK, Australia and all the other corners of the world we're famous for having descendants of ours in, it would mean them all being sent to Ireland for prison time. This would see our prison population skyrocket, and would do unbelievable damage to our economy trying to sustain it.

Dr Brown

Billy86 wrote: »

So when we decide to leave the EU, UN and so on... what happens to our economy, and what is your alternative for it not completely tanking and making the homeless crisis much worse while crippling our health services?

The aid budget was slashed by 30% during the crash and the sky didn't fall in.

It is not Ireland's job to look after other countries especially when we have our own problems.

That is exactly what you said:

Nettle soup: What if they were born in Eire? Deport them where?
You: Whatever country their parents came from.

So since this would mean the US, UK, Australia and all the other corners of the world we're famous for having descendants of ours in, it would mean them all being sent to Ireland for prison time. This would see our prison population skyrocket, and would do unbelievable damage to our economy trying to sustain it.

I'm talking about what Ireland should do not other countries.

You seem to think that if Ireland brings in X law then the US, UK and Australia will automatically follow.

Billy86

Dr Brown wrote: »

The aid budget was slashed by 30% during the crash and the sky didn't fall in.

It is not Ireland's job to look after other countries especially when we have our own problems.

It is, otherwise the world goes to sh*te. You don't get "one rule for me, one for everyone else" when we've relied massively on foreign aid for so much of our existence, because "f*** you I got mine" might be a fun attitude to have in your every day like, but does not work in global politics.

So after leaving these bodies, what would your next move be? I mean we'd be screwed financially far, far worse than 2008 especially with less/no EU access so I would hope you have a strong framework in mind to replace these.

I'm talking about what Ireland should do not other countries.

You seem to think that if Ireland brings in X law then the US, UK and Australia will automatically follow.

If Ireland started doing it to other countries, other countries would start doing it to Ireland. Again, this concept of "one rule for me, one for everyone else" simply doesn't work, especially when like Ireland you don't have any real clout to begin with.

Dr Brown

Billy86 wrote: »

It is, otherwise the world goes to sh*te. You don't get "one rule for me, one for everyone else" when we've relied massively on foreign aid for so much of our existence, because "f*** you I got mine" might be a fun attitude to have in your every day like, but does not work in global politics.

So after leaving these bodies, what would your next move be? I mean we'd be screwed financially far, far worse than 2008 especially with less/no EU access so I would hope you have a strong framework in mind to replace these.

My point was about getting rid of foreign aid not leaving any particular body.

Its not about "f**king" anybody its simple common sense like getting our house in order before we help other people.

When the economy crashed in 2008 we should of at the very least suspended all foreign aid payments.

The fact that we were borrowing money to pay foreign aid when the country was almost bankrupt was complete insanity.

If Ireland started doing it to other countries, other countries would start doing it to Ireland. Again, this concept of "one rule for me, one for everyone else" simply doesn't work, especially when like Ireland you don't have any real clout to begin with.

So let them every country should look out for its own interests.

Billy86

Dr Brown wrote: »

My point was about getting rid of foreign aid not leaving any particular body.

Its not about "f**king" anybody its simple common sense like getting our house in order before we help other people.

When the economy crashed in 2008 we should of at the very least suspended all foreign aid payments.

The fact that we were borrowing money to pay foreign aid when the country was almost bankrupt was complete insanity.

See, this is what I said about it not being so simple and you not appearing to have thought it through. You don't get to just stop contributing to these bodies while continuing to be a member because you don't want to spend anything.

To do so, we will need to leave some of these bodies. And when we do that, what would your plan for not entirely tanking the economy back to a state where we need lots of foreign aid be?

So let them every country should look out for its own interests.

Great, so when our prison population goes from around 4,000 to over 100,000 how do you suggest we fund this?

Galwayguy35

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I see we've dropped all pretence and are just blaming "the blacks" now.

Well in cases where they are causing the trouble yes they should be blamed.

wexie

Dr Brown wrote: »

Its not about "f**king" anybody its simple common sense like getting our house in order before we help other people.

When the economy crashed in 2008 we should of at the very least suspended all foreign aid payments.

The fact that we were borrowing money to pay foreign aid when the country was almost bankrupt was complete insanity.

If it was really as easy as deciding to stop paying don't you think that that would have been the perfect time to do so?

So why do you think that didn't happen?

Could it be Billy is on to something and that the consequences would have been so bad it was worth to continue the foreign aid?

Galwayguy35

Greyling wrote: »

Ask a stupid question...

That's some comeback there all right.

wexie

Billy86 wrote: »

Great, so when our prison population goes from around 4,000 to over 100,000 how do you suggest we fund this?

Leitrim >> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116225/

A Pint of Goo

Came across an inscription of the 1916 proclamation in the park today. Really hits home that these people did not die for African (or any foreign) freeloaders.

_Kaiser_

If not born here and involved in serious crime, try them and if convicted, send em back to their country of origin. No reason the taxpayer should continue to pay for some other country's problems.

If they were born here, try them and if convicted, imprison them. None of this suspended sentence nonsense

Our country, our laws... I don't give a crap what skin colour they are or what their background is, but I care even less about the hand-wringing virtue-signalling snowflakes crying "racism" any time incidents like the OP are called out.

Captain Obvious

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

If not born here and involved in serious crime, try them and if convicted, send em back to their country of origin. No reason the taxpayer should continue to pay for some other country's problems.

If they were born here, try them and if convicted, imprison them. None of this suspended sentence nonsense

Our country, our laws... I don't give a crap what skin colour they are or what their background is, but I care even less about the hand-wringing virtue-signalling snowflakes crying "racism" any time incidents like the OP are called out.

Show one post that goes against your first two paragraphs. And if you don't think a poster calling out "the blacks" as a problem is racist I think you fundamentally misunderstand the word.

RasTa

punisher5112 wrote: »

Not so easy when driving and then I'd be done.

I have 4 photos of the time on the quays in town.
Obviously not posting them up here but I have them stored if any further problems.

The skinny rasta dude? Drug dealers don't tend to stand out that much

A Pint of Goo

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Show one post that goes against your first two paragraphs. And if you don't think a poster calling out "the blacks" as a problem is racist I think you fundamentally misunderstand the word.

How is calling out black scumbags racist? What is this obsession you liberals have with this word 'racist'? Do you seriously believe you can silence people by calling them racist?

punisher5112

RasTa wrote: »

The skinny rasta dude? Drug dealers don't tend to stand out that much

No he out in Bray. He wears that Rasta hat but is at drugs also.

Tigger

Nettle Soup wrote: »

A lot of geniuses saying the Africans doing criminal offences should be deported. What if they were born in Eire? Deport them where?

What’s a eria

Captain Obvious

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

How is calling out black scumbags racist? What is this obsession you liberals have with this word 'racist'?

Because it implies some difference between white and black scumbags. I'd have thought that was obvious.

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

Do you seriously believe you can silence people by calling them racist?

I don't want to silence anyone. I'm more than happy to let people show their real selves.

A Pint of Goo

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Because it implies some difference between white and black scumbags. I'd have thought that was obvious.



I don't want to silence anyone. I'm more than happy to let people show their real selves.

Black people who behave like scum are scum. But oh no we must never mention skin colour, we're supposed to be colourblind (even though that concept is racist itself or so I'm told).

Sorry Stalin you can't use your magical superword to silence people.

biko

Nettle Soup wrote: »

A lot of geniuses saying the Africans doing criminal offences should be deported. What if they were born in Eire? Deport them where?

The country of their parents, who also will be deported.
You only have deport a few families for the rest of the criminals to get the message.

If a country cannot be determined because of "no documentation" then deport to Central African Republic and let them find their home from there themselves.

_Kaiser_

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Because it implies some difference between white and black scumbags. I'd have thought that was obvious.

Identifying a bunch of criminals as a "black gang" isn't racist if it's factual. Context and intent is everything... something conveniently ignored by those who rush to be offended.

I don't want to silence anyone. I'm more than happy to let people show their real selves.

If not wanting violent criminal African gangs operating here and assaulting people makes me a racist, then so be it.. and the last thing I'd be concerned about is the opinion of some middle-class virtue-signalling do-gooder on the Internet.