African gang beat the sh*t out of two gardai with a baseball bat.

thebull85

Christy42 wrote: »

Of course we are not talking about Irish people. If Irish people did this no one would have bothered to start the thread.

It is designed to over emphasize crimes by minorities to push an agenda under false pretences. Yes the thread title is technically accurate but it is designed to be misleading about what is going on.

So why dont you tell us all whats going on?

Boom_Bap

cantdecide wrote: »

Whoa whoa whoa whoa
whoa

any horses reading the thread have suddenly stopped :pac:

Franz Von Peppercorn

super_furry wrote: »

I am? News to me.

What then is your problem in this thread. Mostly I see strawman arguments and ad hominems. And the trick of quoting a post by “fixing it”.

Comments like in “you’d like to deport those born here” or “so you’d deport the parents but not the kids” as responses to totally different posts.

AnneFrank

thebull85 wrote: »

So why dont you tell us all whats going on?

is Marvyn Gaye black

Greyling

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Comments like in “you’d like to deport those born here” or “so you’d deport the parents but not the kids” as responses to totally different posts.

Taken in context of who made the post it's a perfectly fair comment.

He started this ****e over in the Islam thread but as the slow hateful wheels in his head started to turn he realised it wasn't right for there so had to make a thread here.

Trasna1

super_furry wrote: »

I think you are cherry-picking one incident from a thousand because it suits your agenda.

In fairness, there is an arc of deprivation along the west of the M50 stretching from Clonee to Jobstown and beyond. There is also a racial integration issue in these areas which is not the cause but an added dimension.

Gravelly

Amazing the number of people who appear to think a posters "agenda" is a more serious matter than members of the Gardaí being attacked and beaten in broad daylight by foreign gangsters.

Auguste Comte

Boom_Bap wrote: »

any horses reading the thread have suddenly stopped :pac:

I hope they are Cremellos or they might not feel to welcome around here.

pleas advice

thebull85 wrote: »

What the hell is voat?

It's a Variation On A Theme

Franz Von Peppercorn

Christy42 wrote: »

Of course we are not talking about Irish people. If Irish people did this no one would have bothered to start the thread.

This was an incredibly severe incident. The gardai had to call for reinforcements and then even then the reinforcements were outnumbered. So they fled.

Then the riot squad had to turn up and a special nightly court convened. The whole affray lasted 5 hours.

Hardly normal.

RobbingBandit

Blame Cosby he's a bad influence

thebull85

Greyling wrote: »

Taken in context of who made the post it's a perfectly fair comment.

He started this ****e over in the Islam thread but as the slow hateful wheels in his head started to turn he realised it wasn't right for there so had to make a thread here.

What s***e did i start? What problem do you have with me starting a thread about an assault on members of the gardai.

I bet if it was carried out by natives you wouldnt have a problem with the thread.

Christy42

thebull85 wrote: »

Christy42 wrote: »

Of course we are not talking about Irish people. If Irish people did this no one would have bothered to start the thread.

It is designed to over emphasize crimes by minorities to push an agenda under false pretences. Yes the thread title is technically accurate but it is designed to be misleading about what is going on.

So why dont you tell us all whats going on?

Burden of proof is on the other side here mate. I pointed out the reasoning behind the thread and the cherry picked data.

If someone wants to highlight an issue with immigration it is up to them to prove their point (without cherry picking data).

I said that this thread was designed to be misleading about what is going on. If we have had 1000 assaults on Garda then we would need to check those out to get a better picture. Not hop on whichever one happens to be done by people from a certain segment of society that we want to give out about.

super_furry

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

What then is your problem in this thread. Mostly I see strawman arguments and ad hominems. And the trick of quoting a post by “fixing it”.

My problem is that the thread is racist in tone and content from the very first post and was only created because it was a black person involved.

Greyling

thebull85 wrote: »

What s***e did i start? What problem do you have with me starting a thread about an assault on members of the gardai.

I bet if it was carried out by natives you wouldnt have a problem with the thread.

You wouldn't have started the thread if it was carried out by natives.

super_furry

thebull85 wrote: »

I bet if it was carried out by natives you wouldnt have a problem with the thread.

If it was "carried out by natives" you wouldn't have created it.

Gravelly

super_furry wrote: »

My problem is that the thread is racist in tone and content from the very first post and was only created because it was a black person involved.

You mean people. It was a Nigerian gang.

thebull85

Christy42 wrote: »

Burden of proof is on the other side here mate. I pointed out the reasoning behind the thread and the cherry picked data.

If someone wants to highlight an issue with immigration it is up to them to prove their point (without cherry picking data).

I said that this thread was designed to be misleading about what is going on. If we have had 1000 assaults on Garda then we would need to check those out to get a better picture. Not hop on whichever one happens to be done by people from a certain segment of society that we want to give out about.

Again i think you are overlooking the seriousness of this incident. Maybe have a look at the whole story.

This was not just an average assault.

Conservative

Christy42 wrote: »

punisher5112 wrote: »

super_furry wrote: »

So you're okay with Irish-born people committing crimes or do the government get to revoke their citizenship too?

up

But we aren't talking about Irish are we.....

Irish people of course do wrong and should be punished and much more so then they are.

Of course we are not talking about Irish people. If Irish people did this no one would have bothered to start the thread.

It is designed to over emphasize crimes by minorities to push an agenda under false pretences. Yes the thread title is technically accurate but it is designed to be misleading about what is going on.

What is so difficult to grasp here? Just because Irish people have done similar or worse doesn't change the fact that we have non EU born people living here engaged in drug dealing and general criminality.

We have no choice when it comes to dealing with our own.

These people owe this country big time and the first signs of behaviour like this they should be returned to the slums they came from, no questions asked.

thebull85

super_furry wrote: »

If it was "carried out by natives" you wouldn't have created it.

Maybe i wouldnt, but you certainly wouldnt have a problem if i did.

Would you?

super_furry

thebull85 wrote: »

Maybe i wouldnt, but you certainly wouldnt have a problem if i did.

I feel like you're so close to a breakthrough here.....

thebull85

super_furry wrote: »

I feel like you're so close to a breakthrough here.....

i dont know what you mean, but carry on..

Greyling

thebull85 wrote: »

Maybe i wouldnt, but you certainly wouldnt have a problem if i did.

Would you?

Why do you think anyone wants to hear what a deluded drug user like you has to say anyway? You're the lad funding these gangs and then you're whinging about them. Take some personal responsibility.

Vladimir Poontang

We have enough scum of our own without importing more and straining our already thin resources.

Deport them now

thebull85

Greyling wrote: »

Why do you think anyone wants to hear what a deluded drug user like you has to say anyway? You're the lad funding these gangs and then you're whinging about them. Take some personal responsibility.

Wow hitting me where it hurts there, and quite a few people are interested in what ive said.

Greyling

thebull85 wrote: »

Wow hitting me where it hurts there, and quite a few people are interested in what ive said.

Why do you fund these gangs if you don't want them here?

thebull85

Greyling wrote: »

Why do you fund these gangs if you don't want them here?

have you any evidence for that accusation guard?

Greyling

thebull85 wrote: »

have you any evidence for that accusation guard?

Yeah.

thebull85 wrote: »

MDMA has been my go to for years now, but from what im hearing from some friends the pills that around now are the strongest that have been around in years.

Care to respond?

thebull85

Greyling wrote: »

Yeah.



Care to respond?

thats all you have? what about the evidence that im funding African gangs?

Greyling

thebull85 wrote: »

thats all you have? what about the evidence that im funding African gangs?

How do you think gangs make money? I'll give you a clue, it's drugs.

dr.fuzzenstein

Gravelly wrote: »

It's only a matter of time before the Gardaí will have to be tooled up like a SWAT team any time they are called out to any of the "diversified" housing estates. Another triumph of the multicultural experiment.

Ah yes, because nothing bad ever happens to Gardai, Fire brigade, ambulance, postmen or passing trains whenwhen it comes to dealing with Irish people.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/passengers-face-delays-after-train-windows-are-smashed-with-large-rocks-35226262.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/garda-welfare-3925874-Mar2018/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/please-respect-our-crews-dublin-fire-brigade-attacked-while-attending-bonfire-call-36268458.html

This took 2 seconds of googling.
I would say that as far as assualting public services, the Irish are number one ion Europe. You'll beat anyone who wants to help you to a pulp, gardai, nurses, firemaen, train drivers, postmen, doesn't matter, smash it.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Christy42 wrote: »

Burden of proof is on the other side here mate. I pointed out the reasoning behind the thread and the cherry picked data.

If someone wants to highlight an issue with immigration it is up to them to prove their point (without cherry picking data).

I said that this thread was designed to be misleading about what is going on. If we have had 1000 assaults on Garda then we would need to check those out to get a better picture. Not hop on whichever one happens to be done by people from a certain segment of society that we want to give out about.

How many were hospitalised?

Gravelly

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Ah yes, because nothing bad ever happens to Gardai, Fire brigade, ambulance, postmen or passing trains whenwhen it comes to dealing with Irish people.

Throw me a list there of the cases where a gang of Irish people beat up a couple of Gardaí with baseball bats, set dogs on them, and their backup had to flee due to the numbers ranged against them, before armed support came to the rescue.

pleas advice

Gravelly wrote: »

Throw me a list there of the cases where a gang of Irish people beat up a couple of Gardaí with baseball bats, set dogs on them, and their backup had to flee due to the numbers ranged against them, before armed support came to the rescue.

hey hey, careful now...

suicide_circus

Graces7 wrote: »

and quoted here as being travellers who did it?

Yep that was me taking a guess, it ticked all the boxes but I got it wrong

Badly Drunk Boy

Greyling wrote: »

How do you think gangs make money? I'll give you a clue, it's drugs.

So you're happy with African gangs being allowed to stay here dealing drugs?

thebull85

Greyling wrote: »

How do you think gangs make money? I'll give you a clue, it's drugs.

You are very much behind the times my friend.

Greyling

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

So you're happy with African gangs being allowed to stay here dealing drugs?

I'm not happy with any gangs here dealing drugs. I also don't use drugs.

Anyone that does has no right to complain about them

dr.fuzzenstein

Gravelly wrote: »

Throw me a list there of the cases where a gang of Irish people beat up a couple of Gardaí with baseball bats, set dogs on them, and their backup had to flee due to the numbers ranged against them, before armed support came to the rescue.

Well, your list consists of one case which is hysterically shouted about to whip up a bit of the ould outrage about a certain group.
My concern is more that the Gardai are attacked at all, but you don't seem to care about those assualts, because they are carried out by Irish people, nothing wrong with that, ey? Your issue seems to be more with the color of the attackers than anything else? It seems to suit some kind of agenda you have.
The Gardai need to be given teeth. As it stands they are a joke.
This assault would have ended very diffenently in Europe, police here have more than a stick and a radio to defend themselves with.

jimgoose

Did the ASU fire any rounds? I don't believe so - that in itself is quite remarkable. Talk about restraint.

suicide_circus

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, your list consists of one case which is hysterically shouted about to whip up a bit of the ould outrage about a certain group.
My concern is more that the Gardai are attacked at all, but you don't seem to care about those assualts, because they are carried out by Irish people, nothing wrong with that, ey?
The Gardai need to be given teeth. As it stands they are a joke.
This assault would have ended very diffenently in Europe, police here have more than a stick and a radio to defend themselves with.

They need to be given proper uniforms first. The absolute state of them currently does not command respect.

thebull85

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yep that was me taking a guess, it ticked all the boxes but I got it wrong

have you been called racist yet for making that assumption?

Auguste Comte

thebull85 wrote: »

thats all you have? what about the evidence that im funding African gangs?

Dont tell me, you only buy yokes with a pointy white hat on them.

dr.fuzzenstein

jimgoose wrote: »

Did the ASU fire any rounds? I don't believe so - that in itself is quite remarkable. Talk about restraint.

Police in Ireland always seem to act as if they're afraid to take action.
It sets a bad signal for the criminals who are better equipped and trained it would appear.
If they one day decided to walk into governemnt offices and say "listen here sunshine, from now on we're calling the shots" what will they do? Get the Gards to wave wooden batons at them?

Stovepipe

Gravelly wrote: »

It's only a matter of time before the Gardaí will have to be tooled up like a SWAT team any time they are called out to any of the "diversified" housing estates. Another triumph of the multicultural experiment.

It's already the case, really. Cops doing a raid in any "rough" estate or street with a likelihood of a kick-off will routinely have the armed Gardai tipped off. Firemen will routinely call the Gardai if they are tasked with quenching a burning car, as the chances of getting attacked are very high and the usually teenaged perps know that they will remain untouched. Nothing to do with skin colour or racial origin.

Kotek Besar

thebull85 wrote: »

Just to make you aware, we cannot deport people born here.

The State can deport anyone who's not an Irish citizen and being born here doesn't make you that. Not those born in Ireland from 01/01/05, anyway.

dr.fuzzenstein

Stovepipe wrote: »

It's already the case, really. Cops doing a raid in any "rough" estate or street with a likelihood of a kick-off will routinely have the armed Gardai tipped off. Firemen will routinely call the Gardai if they are tasked with quenching a burning car, as the chances of getting attacked are very high and the usually teenaged perps know that they will remain untouched. Nothing to do with skin colour or racial origin.

Well, a lot of people are more concerned with the color of the attackers than the assault themselves...

jimgoose

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Police in Ireland always seem to act as if they're afraid to take action.
It sets a bad signal for the criminals who are better equipped and trained it would appear.
If they one day decided to walk into governemnt offices and say "listen here sunshine, from now on we're calling the shots" what will they do? Get the Gards to wave wooden batons at them?

I must disagree, Chief. The armed guys are the coolest, hardest, most level-headed of the lot, with no great interest in shooting anyone. That's why they get the guns.

suicide_circus

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Police in Ireland always seem to act as if they're afraid to take action.
It sets a bad signal for the criminals who are better equipped and trained it would appear.
If they one day decided to walk into governemnt offices and say "listen here sunshine, from now on we're calling the shots" what will they do? Get the Gards to wave wooden batons at them?

Afraid of being thrown under the bus by their superiors and/or being sued if they pull the trigger.

thebull85

Auguste Comte wrote: »

Dont tell me, you only buy yokes with a pointy white hat on them.

Nah, just the ones with the Nazi symbols. Proper good they are too.