Real Madrid vs Liverpool - Champions League Final - 26th May 2018

TheCitizen

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Don't think we folded. We showed serious nerve to equalise so quickly after going 1-0 down having lost Mo, and we were still competing until Karius' 2nd howler killed us.

But whatever you reckon yourself as a neutral.

There is a reason Barca v Real games are often very cynical affairs. With Real you must meet fire with fire. Liverpool needed some dirty tricks of their own. Liverpool didn’t look prepared at all for the level of cynicism that Real routinely introduce into games.

HandsomeBob

We'll that's certainly true. No doubt we brought greenness to the table.

TheCitizen

blinding wrote: »

It was a compliment from Ramos . Salah with Liverpool were enough of a threat for Ramos to do what he does if he feels its necessary .

Liverpool should have been prepared to repay the “compliment”. They didn’t seem to factor in Real Madrid dirty tricks into their preparation at all

blinding

TheCitizen wrote: »

There is a reason Barca v Real games are often very cynical affairs. With Real you must meet fire with fire. Liverpool needed some dirty tricks of their own. Liverpool didn’t look prepared at all for the level of cynicism that Real routinely introduce into games.

Liverpool need a bit of Tommy Smyth , Jimmy Case , Graham Souness for Ramos .

They certainly would have retro-buted in the last 5 minutes if nothing else .

TheCitizen

blinding wrote: »

Liverpool need a bit of Tommy Smyth , Jimmy Case , Graham Souness for Ramos .

They certainly would have retro-buted in the last 5 minutes if nothing else .

It’s not what a purist would want but Real make the game like that so you have to match them in that department. An eye for an eye was needed. Liverpool were incredibly naive.

blinding

TheCitizen wrote: »

It’s not what a purist would want but Real make the game like that so you have to match them in that department. An eye for an eye was needed. Liverpool were incredibly naive.

I remember a game where Ireland were playing England in Wembley . Bryan Robson was kicking some Irish players up in the air probably realising that a referee was going to be slow to send off the England Captain in such a game .

Mr Paul McGrath observed this and Presently Kicked Mr Robson Higher and Harder into the Air . And that was the End of Mr Robson doing as he pleased .

McGrath’s Straightener was also far enough from the Irish Goal not to be very dangerous .

I thought Football had moved on from such carry on but Ramos needed a Real Straightener early especially if the Referee was not going to control ( not that easily admittedly ) Ramos .

Fann Linn

blinding wrote: »

You can be a good player and a dirty nasty piece of work .

One does not rule out the other .

Johnny Giles being a case in point.

Will I Am Not

Liverpool weren’t winning that game regardless of what happened with Salah. They had a bright start but the tide was turning even before he left the pitch. The only way they were going to do it was by striking quick and often, blowing Madrid away early like they have managed to do in many other big games.
Madrid felt their way into the game and then took over. No shame in losing to the CL specialists.

TheCitizen

blinding wrote: »

I remember a game where Ireland were playing England in Wembley . Bryan Robson was kicking some Irish players up in the air probably realising that a referee was going to be slow to send off the England Captain in such a game .

Mr Paul McGrath observed this and Presently Kicked Mr Robson Higher and Harder into the Air . And that was the End of Mr Robson doing as he pleased .

McGrath’s Straightener was also far enough from the Irish Goal not to be very dangerous .

I thought Football had moved on from such carry on but Ramos needed a Real Straightener early especially if the Referee was not going to control ( not that easily admittedly ) Ramos .

It hasn’t moved on from that at all as far as Ramos and Real are concerned. They don’t care they’ve got their 3 in a row. I think they got it easier than they should though.

Liverpool weren’t up to their dirty tricks at all but Bayern in my opinion definitely had the beating of Real in the semi final but again just weren’t ruthless enough.

Real have won 3 in a row by virtue of a few talented individuals allied with a heavy dose of cynicism and dirty tricks. That shouldn’t be enough to win 3 in a row and it’s disappointing from that perspective.

blinding

Fann Linn wrote: »

Johnny Giles being a case in point.

I only remember Giles in his last few years and he may have been too slow to do too much damage then .

He was one of that ‘ Leeds team ‘ and in the years after he played it came out that Giles was one of the Hard Men . Apparently he was so good at it that it was not universally known when he was playing by the general public . There was a lot of Hard Men around in those days . Probably too many .

There certainly would have been an ‘ Enforcer “ for Ramos to be very concerned about .

HandsomeBob

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Liverpool weren’t winning that game regardless of what happened with Salah. They had a bright start but the tide was turning even before he left the pitch. The only way they were going to do it was by striking quick and often, blowing Madrid away early like they have managed to do in many other big games.
Madrid felt their way into the game and then took over. No shame in losing to the CL specialists.

I won't question your knowledge on the game that you could decipher we were never winning within the first 30 of the game.

But you're right there is no shame. Experience and very good fortune won the game for them at the end of the day

TheCitizen

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Liverpool weren’t winning that game regardless of what happened with Salah. They had a bright start but the tide was turning even before he left the pitch. The only way they were going to do it was by striking quick and often, blowing Madrid away early like they have managed to do in many other big games.
Madrid felt their way into the game and then took over. No shame in losing to the CL specialists.

The two goals Liverpool handed to them were nothing short of embarrassing. They allowed themselves to be bullied out of it by Real. They should be feeling ashamed.

Cypher_sounds

Anyone spot Karius in a bookies before the game?

Will I Am Not

HandsomeBob wrote: »

I won't question your knowledge on the game that you could decipher we were never winning within the first 30 of the game.

But you're right there is no shame. Experience and very good fortune won the game for them at the end of the day

Madrid had another gear or two in them. They had already started to show their superiority before Salah went off. It’s only my opinion of course but after 20 minutes, any concerns I had about Liverpool winning that game were quickly evaporating.

HandsomeBob

:pac:

Unfollowing and I mean for keeps this time.

TheCitizen

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Madrid had another gear or two in them. They had already started to show their superiority before Salah went off. It’s only my opinion of course but after 20 minutes, any concerns I had about Liverpool winning that game were quickly evaporating.

No they didn’t. Real had nothing else bar what you saw.

Cypher_sounds

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Anyone spot Karius in a bookies before the game?

Oh yeah actually I remember he’s just sh!t.

TheCitizen

blinding wrote: »

I only remember Giles in his last few years and he may have been too slow to do too much damage then .

He was one of that ‘ Leeds team ‘ and in the years after he played it came out that Giles was one of the Hard Men . Apparently he was so good at it that it was not universally known when he was playing by the general public . There was a lot of Hard Men around in those days . Probably too many .

There certainly would have been an ‘ Enforcer “ for Ramos to be very concerned about .

In the tunnel before kick off Ronaldo was staring Salah out of it. He should have squared up to him. Liverpool should have had a rammy in the tunnel with Real pre kick off to let them know they wouldn’t be able to bully their way as they pleased. Liverpool weren’t prepared for that aspect of what Real are at all.

Kolido

We can harp on about Salah going off, but that aside, Liverpool lost that game rather than Real winning it. Could have gone either way if the keeper mistakes didnt happen. The scoreline was flattering to say the least. All in all, Real probably edged it in the end and deserve the win but was by no means a convincing win as some are suggesting.

blinding

TheCitizen wrote: »

In the tunnel before kick off Ronaldo was staring Salah out of it. He should have squared up to him. Liverpool should have had a rammy in the tunnel with Real pre kick off to let them know they wouldn’t be able to bully their way as they pleased. Liverpool weren’t prepared for that aspect of what Real are at all.

The only Liverpool player that ya can think of being able to look after himself is Virgil Van Dijk .

How were the refereeing officials so lax with Ramos ?

TheCitizen

blinding wrote: »

The only Liverpool player that ya can think of being able to look after himself is Virgil Van Dijk .

How were the refereeing officials so lax with Ramos ?

Ramos was able to con the ref. It was up to Liverpool to look after themselves

Will I Am Not

TheCitizen wrote: »

No they didn’t. Real had nothing else bar what you saw.

That was Kroos at his best? Ronaldo at his best? Isco at his best?

TheCitizen

Will I Am Not wrote: »

That was Kroos at his best? Ronaldo at his best? Isco at his best?

Ronaldo is past his best. He can be lethal when chances come his way still but his best days are gone. Liverpool didn’t play at their best either or more to the point Real didn’t let them. The point is Liverpool didn’t match Real’s dirty tricks and cynicism. That’s largely how Real won the game and won this 3 in a row.

ArielAtom

NIMAN wrote: »

And a ****ing legend of a player proper star quality. Check his trophy cabinet and let me know if he's a good footballer or not, then catch yourself on.

Still doesn’t mean he is likeable. So no need to catch myself on.

Will I Am Not

TheCitizen wrote: »

Ronaldo is past his best. He can be lethal when chances come his way still but his best days are gone. Liverpool didn’t play at their best either or more to the point Real didn’t let them. The point is Liverpool didn’t match Real’s dirty tricks and cynicism. That’s largely how Real won the game and won this 3 in a row.

Ronaldo is past his best but his best is still far beyond what he displayed last night. I don’t think he was fully fit at all.
Kroos looked utterly lazy. Isco showed flashes but was another who seemed blasé about it all. I definitely feel they could have stepped it up if needed.

The J Stands for Jay

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

That goal gave me FIFA 98 flashbacks.

I was using the old 'stand in front of the keeper' tactic all the way up to FIFA 10. Doesn't work in FIFA 17, but I'm guessing it may be brought back in 19 or 20.

TheCitizen

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Ronaldo is past his best but his best is still far beyond what he displayed last night. I don’t think he was fully fit at all.
Kroos looked utterly lazy. Isco showed flashes but was another who seemed blasé about it all. I definitely feel they could have stepped it up if needed.

I disagree. From what I saw of them v Bayern a tie Bayern should have won, there wasn’t other gears there. Real won the tournament by virtue of heavy doses of cynicism and game management throughout allied with individual touches of brilliance like that first goal from Bale.

Ordinary man

Ramos didn't invent the dark arts defending and to cry about it is laughable. Some of liverpool's recent idols were pretty good at it too - carragher, gerrard, suarez etc. They were loved when they did it and defended to the hilt by their supporters so to come out now whining and crying about how it has no part in the modern game is hypocritical

Unearthly

For a while I thought Liverpool might 'Eder' it and win with a goal out of nowhere when their best player went off injured

The team coach and plane will be a horrible place for Karius. Hopefully the Liverpool players show some class and don't alienate him

TheCitizen

Ordinary man wrote: »

Ramos didn't invent the dark arts defending and to cry about it is laughable. Some of liverpool's recent idols were pretty good at it too - carragher, gerrard, suarez etc. They were loved when they did it and defended to the hilt by their supporters so to come out now whining and crying about how it has no part in the modern game is hypocritical

The point I’m making is that was what Liverpool were missing last night. They should have known what Real were like and should have been prepared for that. They weren’t and Real picked up a handy 3 in a row as a result.

blinding

I give you Sergio Ramos . Actually I don’t see 3 or 4 of these as too bad .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkamtKnV2yM

Liamalone

Pmsl at the suggestion of Ramos intentionally injuring Salah The better team won the game. Shows liverpool up as a one man team as it was a totally different game after the poor creter went off.

How much paint was wasted on the bus I wonder?

abff

I was at the rugby yesterday and didn't watch the match until now. I'm not a Liverpool fan, but I am disgusted at what Ramos did to Salah. I hope he gets a lengthy ban based on video evidence.

OldMrBrennan83

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kfallon

abff wrote: »

I was at the rugby yesterday and didn't watch the match until now. I'm not a Liverpool fan, but I am disgusted at what Ramos did to Salah. I hope he gets a lengthy ban based on video evidence.

Why would he get a ban based on video evidence?

abff

kfallon wrote: »

Why would he get a ban based on video evidence?

Because he trapped his arm and brought him to the ground. I don't think it was accidental. Maybe he didn't intend to injure him, but I wouldn't rule it out based on what I saw.

adox

abff wrote: »

Because he trapped his arm and brought him to the ground. I don't think it was accidental. Maybe he didn't intend to injure him, but I wouldn't rule it out based on what I saw.

It was a foul. Fouls happen numerous times during the game.

Not a chance that it will be reviewed and rightly so.

abff

Patww79 wrote: »

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Because I dislike what an opposing player did, that makes me a Liverpool fan? You're having a laugh.

blinding

kfallon wrote: »

Why would he get a ban based on video evidence?

Because he cynically fouled Salah causing him a serious enough injury to force him out of the match and maybe much longer .

And just the small matter of the Elbow to Karius .

His total physical collapse when Mane came near him might be a worry for Medical Practitioners Is he in good enough physical and mental condition to be safe on a football field

Ulysses Gaze

blinding wrote: »

I only remember Giles in his last few years and he may have been too slow to do too much damage then .

He was one of that ‘ Leeds team ‘ and in the years after he played it came out that Giles was one of the Hard Men . Apparently he was so good at it that it was not universally known when he was playing by the general public . There was a lot of Hard Men around in those days . Probably too many .

There certainly would have been an ‘ Enforcer “ for Ramos to be very concerned about .

Just imagine what Souness or Tommy Smith would have done to Ramos.

Liamalone

abff wrote: »

I was at the rugby yesterday and didn't watch the match until now. I'm not a Liverpool fan, but I am disgusted at what Ramos did to Salah. I hope he gets a lengthy ban based on video evidence.

You are a fan of rugby, a hard physical sport, yet you're disgusted at what Ramos did? Aw dear me lol

downwesht

As a Man Utd Supporter I was absolutely thrilled to see Madrid win.However,Ramos took Salah out.There is no room for this in an age of video refs etc.Madrid and Spanish teams in general are experts at gamesmanship and strategic fouling, time to root it out.

Bad goalkeeping though.....no excuse for that!!!

abff

Liamalone wrote: »

You are a fan of rugby, a hard physical sport, yet you're disgusted at what Ramos did? Aw dear me lol

I was also disgusted at the spear tackle on Brian O'Driscoll that put him out of the Lions tour in New Zealand. There's a difference between hard physical play and thuggery.

Mr.H

Anyone who thinks that Madrid didnt target Salah last night obviously wasnt watching very closely. Before The Ramos incident he was taken out a few times. Ramos did trap his arm and bring him down. I dont think he intended injure him but he certainly did put Salah at risk by trapping and landing on his arm. That was dangerous play. Ramos is no angel. That guy has always set out to target opposing players. He is as bad as Pepe when it comes to taking players out. Fact is if he didnt play for Real Madrid or another high profile club, he would have been kicked out of the game ages ago ala Joey Barton.

NIMAN

ArielAtom wrote: »

Still doesn’t mean he is likeable. So no need to catch myself on.

Its not a popularity contest.

TheCitizen

Mr.H wrote: »

Anyone who thinks that Madrid didnt target Salah last night obviously wasnt watching very closely. Before The Ramos incident he was taken out a few times. Ramos did trap his arm and bring him down. I dont think he intended injure him but he certainly did put Salah at risk by trapping and landing on his arm. That was dangerous play. Ramos is no angel. That guy has always set out to target opposing players. He is as bad as Pepe when it comes to taking players out. Fact is if he didnt play for Real Madrid or another high profile club, he would have been kicked out of the game ages ago ala Joey Barton.

Yep. He's got away with blue murder in his career. He has been able to con the officials. It's up to opponents to kick him back or target other softer targets in the Real team in retribution.

Liverpool didn't have that necessary ruthless mindset needed to combat Real. Bayern were too nice with them as well.

For me this years Champions League is the one that Bayern Munich left behind.

TheCitizen

abff wrote: »

Because he trapped his arm and brought him to the ground. I don't think it was accidental. Maybe he didn't intend to injure him, but I wouldn't rule it out based on what I saw.

He did intend to injure him.

TheCitizen

kfallon wrote: »

Why would he get a ban based on video evidence?

This is why opponents of Real Madrid must take matters into their own hands and fight fire with fire. Every team that faces them should be prepared for them.

Liamalone

I see the death threats and other assorted compliments aimed at Karius are all over t'internet. Pathetic stuff.

Karius is getting some abuse on twitter. Disgusting behavior.
It's just a game fs