Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

Idbatterim

These champagne socialists will be crying their crocodile tears when the budget cuts come , and banging on about their attack on " the most vulnerable " people who have never worked etc ...

The simple thing to do is tell them they live within their means, they just see the taxpayer as the golden goose at the moment

Biafranlivemat

The BBC have 450 jobs cuts planned. Why can’t Dee Forbes get rid of 1 job.

Best Quote from the article.
“The BBC is struggling to connect with many British people - especially those from poorer socioeconomic backgrounds, and – even more so - those under 35.
The licence fee, which accounts for around 75% of the BBC's revenue, is under unprecedented political and structural pressure.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51271168

tallaghtfornia

I was trying to explain to my friend from HK what a TV licence was and he start laughing at me - this dead organisation needs to be trimmed down and the dead wood god rid of. RTEs model was good 20 years ago now people either dont have cable TV or access to RTE.

Elmo

tallaghtfornia wrote: »

I was trying to explain to my friend from HK what a TV licence was and he start laughing at me - this dead organisation needs to be trimmed down and the dead wood god rid of. RTEs model was good 20 years ago now people either dont have cable TV or access to RTE.

Unlike other public broadcasters like the BBC (Britain) and NHK (Japan), which are statutory corporations primarily funded by licence fees, RTHK (Hong Kong) is government agency directly supported by annual government funding.

Does your friend know that RTHK is directly funding by the HK Exchequer?

tallaghtfornia

Elmo wrote: »

Unlike other public broadcasters like the BBC (Britain) and NHK (Japan), which are statutory corporations primarily funded by licence fees, RTHK (Hong Kong) is government agency directly supported by annual government funding.

Does your friend know that RTHK is directly funding by the HK Exchequer?

I never asked his opinion on that no do I care, however I think having to pay a 'licence fee' to own a TV in the year 2020 to keep a few elites happy in D4 is madness.

RabbleRouser2k

Idbatterim wrote: »

These champagne socialists will be crying their crocodile tears when the budget cuts come , and banging on about their attack on " the most vulnerable " people who have never worked etc ...

The simple thing to do is tell them they live within their means, they just see the taxpayer as the golden goose at the moment

Tbf, many of those in government have never worked either. Rich parents, who covered for them.

Such as the last housing minister, who put up his campaign poster in the spot where a homeless person was paralysed for life.

Elmo

tallaghtfornia wrote: »

I never asked his opinion on that no do I care, however I think having to pay a 'licence fee' to own a TV in the year 2020 to keep a few elites happy in D4 is madness.

Do you think it should be funded by the Exchequer like in Hong Kong?

This idea that Ireland is the only country in the world that has a TV licence or public funding broadcasting/media needs to be debunked, at least we know what we are paying to the Licence and largely where it goes, I'd say as taxes become more hidden less and less of the public actually realise that things are paid from taxation.

In a few years time you'll be explaining the licence fee to someone and they'll think we don't fund public service media, when in reality something else will have replaced it.

This isn't defending the licence fee or public spending on a media organisation which is in complete need of reform.

Shefwedfan

tallaghtfornia wrote: »

I never asked his opinion on that no do I care, however I think having to pay a 'licence fee' to own a TV in the year 2020 to keep a few elites happy in D4 is madness.

No its not

leoXX

At the start of covid 19, the BBC did massive cuts to their local radio stations by bringing in 4 hour shifts across the 7 day schedules, it has now been announced that this is going to become permanent. Compare that to RTE, who
actually beefed up RTE Gold during covid (a channel they claim they are going to close) and have done absolutely no cuts whatsoever, despite claiming to be in financial problems long before covid. Look at the 2fm weekend schedule, 15 DJs doing 2 hour shows.

Kivaro

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

The BBC have 450 jobs cuts planned. Why can’t Dee Forbes get rid of 1 job.

Best Quote from the article.
“The BBC is struggling to connect with many British people ........”

RTE believe that they are connecting with Irish people, but the reality is far from it. They are more of a divisive entity in this country than anything else. If they kept their collective noses out of trying to formulate policies that is detrimental to the majority in Ireland, then they would probably find that they would not be so disliked by so many.

There was a thread on AH when Covid started on which businesses people would like to see fail, and RTE was very high on the list. The elites of the RTE quango should ask themselves "Why?".

BloodBath

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

We have a 15% non compliance with the license fee ...waaay too much ....who is addressing that in a meaningful way and avoiding the soft option of increasing the license fee for compliant subscribers .

That number is only going to increase. Are they going to prosecute everyone? People in Ireland and the UK have woke up to this ridiculous tax.

If neither organisation can find a way to reinvent themselves through a subscription model then they are both doomed.

Stovepipe

In France, if you fail to pay the TV license fee, they make you jump thru so many bureaucratic hoops that you will beg to pay it,as they attach it to the property tax, which you absolutely cannot avoid paying in France. It's a sure fire way of making you pay it,as the tax people will give you their undivided attention until you pay it. RTE's collection system is outdated,bureaucratic, incapable of punishing evaders and it costs to much to run itself, so as a collection entity,it doesnt work.

rightmove

One answer to all this no more DeeForb rte it should be

Deefund RTE

Elmo

Stovepipe wrote: »

In France, if you fail to pay the TV license fee, they make you jump thru so many bureaucratic hoops that you will beg to pay it,as they attach it to the property tax, which you absolutely cannot avoid paying in France. It's a sure fire way of making you pay it,as the tax people will give you their undivided attention until you pay it. RTE's collection system is outdated,bureaucratic, incapable of punishing evaders and it costs to much to run itself, so as a collection entity,it doesnt work.

So replace a outdated bureaucratic system with one that will just make everyone give into the red tape! Let’s reform RTÉ first.

bigroad

To be honest there is no system as such anymore.
Internet is the way and this old system of TV licence gangsterism is on the way out and so is the Rte model as we know it.
Pay per view or good night.
The people will not accept this sham anymore.

retalivity

I see one of the headlines on rte is the news that they have hired someone to co-present....the news.
Is this an example of cost-cutting by hiring someone they are already paying for to read the news? Or will this results in a sizeable bump for Mr McCullagh? Actually, why do RTE have 2 newsreaders at all? Don't TV3 and the UK channels manage with one?

elperello

BloodBath wrote: »

That number is only going to increase. Are they going to prosecute everyone? People in Ireland and the UK have woke up to this ridiculous tax.

If neither organisation can find a way to reinvent themselves through a subscription model then they are both doomed.

rightmove wrote: »

One answer to all this no more DeeForb rte it should be

Deefund RTE

Elmo wrote: »

So replace a outdated bureaucratic system with one that will just make everyone give into the red tape! Let’s reform RTÉ first.

bigroad wrote: »

To be honest there is no system as such anymore.
Internet is the way and this old system of TV licence gangsterism is on the way out and so is the Rte model as we know it.
Pay per view or good night.
The people will not accept this sham anymore.

I've said before on this thread that what we need to do is decide what we want in a TV service and how to fund it.

My preference is for a Public Broadcasting Service that is free at the point of use. A PBS that covers all aspects of our culture and sport, that produces news, current affairs programming and documentaries relevant to Ireland today. An element of light entertainment if it can be sustained.

And to pay for it, I prefer the general taxation model, ie. replace the licence with funding from the public purse. No more evasion or collection costs, everyone makes a contribution. No Government interference with index linked funding channeled through an independent body subject to set deliverables.

Now all we need to do is set up the Broadcasting Commission get a handle on what people really want and do it.

fritzelly

elperello wrote: »

I've said before on this thread that what we need to do is decide what we want in a TV service and how to fund it.

My preference is for a Public Broadcasting Service that is free at the point of use. A PBS that covers all aspects of our culture and sport, that produces news, current affairs programming and documentaries relevant to Ireland today. An element of light entertainment if it can be sustained.

And to pay for it, I prefer the general taxation model, ie. replace the licence with funding from the public purse. No more evasion or collection costs, everyone makes a contribution. No Government interference with index linked funding channeled through an independent body subject to set deliverables.

Now all we need to do is set up the Broadcasting Commission get a handle on what people really want and do it.

If it was through general taxation then all these sky high salaries would have to be abolished, no contractors working a full time job (well a permanent job, full time is laughable) so they can screw the taxman
And a host of other things

cameramonkey

elperello wrote: »

I've said before on this thread that what we need to do is decide what we want in a TV service and how to fund it.

My preference is for a Public Broadcasting Service that is free at the point of use. A PBS that covers all aspects of our culture and sport, that produces news, current affairs programming and documentaries relevant to Ireland today. An element of light entertainment if it can be sustained.

And to pay for it, I prefer the general taxation model, ie. replace the licence with funding from the public purse. No more evasion or collection costs, everyone makes a contribution. No Government interference with index linked funding channeled through an independent body subject to set deliverables.

Now all we need to do is set up the Broadcasting Commission get a handle on what people really want and do it.

What about dancing with the stars type programing or the fat people losing weight, are they culturally necessary?

elperello

fritzelly wrote: »

If it was through general taxation then all these sky high salaries would have to be abolished, no contractors working a full time job (well a permanent job, full time is laughable) so they can screw the taxman
And a host of other things

I expect that everything would be up for discussion.

Having said that I don't believe the issue of presenters remuneration is as big a pot of gold as some think.

Once we have decided what form our PBS should take the rest should follow.

BloodBath

Half of RTE's programs are repeats of old BBC stuff anyway. A great use of the TV license fee.

bigroad

Rte is for the older generation ,yes that's right ,the people that get a free TV licence paid for by the younger generation.
So I ask what's the future for Rte .
Limited.

fritzelly

elperello wrote: »

I expect that everything would be up for discussion.

Having said that I don't believe the issue of presenters remuneration is as big a pot of gold as some think.

Once we have decided what form our PBS should take the rest should follow.

Optics - and not one of them deserve the money they are on
Have you listened to D'arcy or Duffy recently?

Biafranlivemat

retalivity wrote: »

I see one of the headlines on rte is the news that they have hired someone to co-present....the news.
Is this an example of cost-cutting by hiring someone they are already paying for to read the news? Or will this results in a sizeable bump for Mr McCullagh? Actually, why do RTE have 2 newsreaders at all? Don't TV3 and the UK channels manage with one?

I don’t remember Don Cockburn or Charles Mitchel needing help to read the news, back in the day.

Must be a modern thing.;)

elperello

fritzelly wrote: »

Optics - and not one of them deserve the money they are on
Have you listened to D'arcy or Duffy recently?

I'm not really interested in optics.

I'm more interested in a sustainable future Public Broadcasting Service than trying to micro manage RTE.

At the end of the day I just want to listen to the radio and watch the TV without worrying about who is worth what.

I listen to Joe Duffy a lot but not that often to Ray D'Arcy.

leoXX

How do RTE justify paying Darcy 500k for 90 minutes of Radio a day ? Newstalks presenters do 3 hour shows but over at RTE you have the likes of Tubs doing a 1 hour show and RTE have the cheek to plead poverty

Shefwedfan

leoXX wrote: »

How do RTE justify paying Darcy 500k for 90 minutes of Radio a day ? Newstalks presenters do 3 hour shows but over at RTE you have the likes of Tubs doing a 1 hour show and RTE have the cheek to plead poverty

Its for the TV programs and all the advertisement revenue he brings in


Oh wait they had to cancel the TV show:P:P:P

Atlantic Dawn

leoXX wrote: »

How do RTE justify paying Darcy 500k for 90 minutes of Radio a day ? Newstalks presenters do 3 hour shows but over at RTE you have the likes of Tubs doing a 1 hour show and RTE have the cheek to plead poverty

I can't understand Tubs having a 1 hour show, doesn't make sense at all, when you strip out the news and ad breaks he's on for feck all. If you take the production team coming in and everyone involved for a single hour it's a monumental waste of resources, should be 2 hour minumum.

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!

Why is state funding being used to fund commercial activities?

RTÉ use public money to outbid other private broadcasters for programming.

RTÉ should be slashed down to one single channel and used solely for news bulletins, weather, crimecall and ministerial speeches and debates and presidential campaigns etc.

fritzelly

Great night of entertainment on RTE - all repeats (like pretty much every night)
Makes you wonder where all the money is spent