Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

Elmo

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Again, wouldn't say anything about the child-it could have been a boy, girl, non-binary kid or whatever. I'd have no issue with that.

I wouldn't it had anything to do with masculinity/ femininity, but I've noticed it's RTE trying to make all these 'upbeat' positive stories after folks called them out for their 'Misery' porn.

The only thing is, they're just odd stories, frankly.

Made me wonder if someone in the family was represented by Noel Kelly.

Kind of soft local report that RTÉ often do for Six-one from their local reporters.

99nsr125

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Interesting article in the Irish examiner, RTe folks pretty much admitting the whole organization is stagnant, no new talent being hired or emerging, and pretty much no new blood for the last 6 or 7 years.

There's no children's tv

That's where new talent has traditionally come from

RabbleRouser2k

99nsr125 wrote: »

There's no children's tv

That's where new talent has traditionally come from

Tradtionally, yes. But media has evolved quite a bit. There were/are some new faces who started out on youtube, then slowly found their way into RTe.
(Stephen Byrne got some notice from having a youtube channel. Helped him develop his presenting style. Not a bad presenter, imo. But your mileage may vary).

But he still found his way into Children's TV, and progressed from there. Bloody tragic there's no children's programming now.
But then again, they're trying to compete with Nickelodeon, CBBC, Cartoon Network, etc etc etc.

It's, sadly, not worth it.

fritzelly

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

But then again, they're trying to compete with Nickelodeon, CBBC, Cartoon Network, etc etc etc.

It's, sadly, not worth it.

By that logic RTE should just close up shop completely - what is the point of them when we have BBC, ITV, Sky, Netflix....

RabbleRouser2k

fritzelly wrote: »

By that logic RTE should just close up shop completely - what is the point of them when we have BBC, ITV, Sky, Netflix....

I was speaking more of 'divisions' in RTE. The children's programming was probably getting more expensive.
The rights to air these shows were probably getting more costly, (back in the day, many of these Murakami/ Wolf animated shows were made in IReland. So the rights were much lower for home produced content. But then those studios shut down). Nowadays, the likes of Nickelodeon or CArtoon Network are behemoths.

They produce these shows, monetize em, make money on the merchandise. It's a major business now.

They won't be able to compete. We see that with RTE's sports division now, which is shadow of what it once was. And they used to be seriously proud of their sports coverage.
Now, they're lucky to get GAA.

Elmo

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I was speaking more of 'divisions' in RTE. The children's programming was probably getting more expensive.

Sorry there Children's department had seen cuts from I think 2004 until 2015 when it had stagnated for a few years at €10 million. They dropped the department in 2016, saying we are committed to kids TV and we are just farming it out to indpendents, meaning we are keeping it at €10million, they spend just €7 on Children's in 2016 and then in 2017 the cut it to €3m, its fluctuated between €3 and €5m since then or as RTÉ like to put it when talking about their top stars .... just 1% of our budget our spend goes on "other things".

The rights to air these shows were probably getting more costly, (back in the day, many of these Murakami/ Wolf animated shows were made in IReland. So the rights were much lower for home produced content. But then those studios shut down). Nowadays, the likes of Nickelodeon or CArtoon Network are behemoths.

In fairness RTÉ did little to support animation in the 1990s but by the 2000s they were focusing more on indo productions. Most US and UK programming come from the €25 million the spend each year on imports, part of this package of shows, most of these shows are cost between 2000 and 3000 per hour (AFAIK children's TV is even less) doesn't help that they repeat that bitchy Dance show from Canada consistently.

They produce these shows, monetize em, make money on the merchandise. It's a major business now.

Look at how Zig and Zag did in the ****ing 80s on Merchandising, RTÉ had a major show like THE DEN ready for that type of thing.

They won't be able to compete. We see that with RTE's sports division now, which is shadow of what it once was. And they used to be seriously proud of their sports coverage. Now, they're lucky to get GAA.

Few cuts to sport. Though I haven't full looked into this.

RabbleRouser2k

Elmo wrote: »

Sorry there Children's department had seen cuts from I think 2004 until 2015 when it had stagnated for a few years at €10 million. They dropped the department in 2016, saying we are committed to kids TV and we are just farming it out to indpendents, meaning we are keeping it at €10million, they spend just €7 on Children's in 2016 and then in 2017 the cut it to €3m, its fluctuated between €3 and €5m since then or as RTÉ like to put it when talking about their top stars .... just 1% of our budget our spend goes on "other things".



In fairness RTÉ did little to support animation in the 1990s but by the 2000s they were focusing more on indo productions. Most US and UK programming come from the €25 million the spend each year on imports, part of this package of shows, most of these shows are cost between 2000 and 3000 per hour (AFAIK children's TV is even less) doesn't help that they repeat that bitchy Dance show from Canada consistently.



Look at how Zig and Zag did in the ****ing 80s on Merchandising, RTÉ had a major show like THE DEN ready for that type of thing.

Different era, too. When there was far less options on TV, and not everyone had Sky. RTE were getting 1 million viewers (or more) per week on the Late Late Show. Zig and Zag were so popular, they were poached by the UK for the Big Breakfast.

I think the closest, RTE got, afterwards, was Podge and Rodge. Even made toys out of them.

But of course, the idea doesn't sell abroad. (Apparently, they tried a different property abroad, but it didn't take off).

Nowadays, RTE fudge the numbers. Even the Toy Show, which was usually a MASSIVE audience (easily edging close to 2 million when Gay Byne hosted it) now has to fudge the numbers with a 'it had an audience of over a million people.... *'

*In 180 countries, who probably tried to watch it with the RTE player, but gave up after 15 minutes.

They dare not release the real numbers now, lest they make the doves cry.

Few cuts to sport. Though I haven't full looked into this.

The funding probably hasn't changed too much, but that's the problem. Others are constantly outbidding them for the rights. Virgin Media 1 has major money behind them now, and so they'll be expanding their sports division more. As will Sky.

One of the things Eamon Dunphy denounced, when he left RTE, was how far the sports department had fallen from grace.

Brendan Bendar

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Different era, too. When there was far less options on TV, and not everyone had Sky. RTE were getting 1 million viewers (or more) per week on the Late Late Show. Zig and Zag were so popular, they were poached by the UK for the Big Breakfast.

I think the closest, RTE got, afterwards, was Podge and Rodge. Even made toys out of them.

But of course, the idea doesn't sell abroad. (Apparently, they tried a different property abroad, but it didn't take off).

Nowadays, RTE fudge the numbers. Even the Toy Show, which was usually a MASSIVE audience (easily edging close to 2 million when Gay Byne hosted it) now has to fudge the numbers with a 'it had an audience of over a million people.... *'

*In 180 countries, who probably tried to watch it with the RTE player, but gave up after 15 minutes.

They dare not release the real numbers now, lest they make the doves cry.



The funding probably hasn't changed too much, but that's the problem. Others are constantly outbidding them for the rights. Virgin Media 1 has major money behind them now, and so they'll be expanding their sports division more. As will Sky.

One of the things Eamon Dunphy denounced, when he left RTE, was how far the sports department had fallen from grace.

Payin dudes like him 240k was probably one of the reasons.

Elmo

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Different era, too. When there was far less options on TV, and not everyone had Sky. RTE were getting 1 million viewers (or more) per week on the Late Late Show. Zig and Zag were so popular, they were poached by the UK for the Big Breakfast.

I think the closest, RTE got, afterwards, was Podge and Rodge. Even made toys out of them.

But of course, the idea doesn't sell abroad. (Apparently, they tried a different property abroad, but it didn't take off).

RTÉ still had The Den for years after that, I think all of the characters from The Den were merchandised by Double Z (fortunately for them RTÉ didn't hold those rights).

I am pointing out that in a small market like Ireland that is really tiny they were able to get something from merchadizing, by the 1990s they've also got the UK on board so that does not count as much. (BTW while Ireland is small, I don't think it is that small even back then, but that's just my opinion).

Even still RTÉ have cut funding drastically to children's TV, in the last 5 years, not by the 25% that they had cuts by, but by nearly 75%.

Look at how much adulation that they have got from just producing Home School Hub, Children's TV is worth that in PR alone, and good animation will also sell abroad.

RabbleRouser2k

Elmo wrote: »

RTÉ still had The Den for years after that, I think all of the characters from The Den were merchandised by Double Z (fortunately for them RTÉ didn't hold those rights).

I am pointing out that in a small market like Ireland that is really tiny they were able to get something from merchadizing, by the 1990s they've also got the UK on board so that does not count as much. (BTW while Ireland is small, I don't think it is that small even back then, but that's just my opinion).

Even still RTÉ have cut funding drastically to children's TV, in the last 5 years, not by the 25% that they had cuts by, but by nearly 75%.

Look at how much adulation that they have got from just producing Home School Hub, Children's TV is worth that in PR alone, and good animation will also sell abroad.

Much of the adulation was PR tho. My cousin has 3 young children-they find the homeschool hub thing useless. What they want to learn is math, english, irish etc. What they get is none of the above.

As far as animation goes... Ireland produces quite a bit of animation. But it's a mixed bag in terms of success.

For example, there was quite a bit of PR about a new Flintstones show being produced in IReland by Salty Dog studios. Got a lot of attention in the press. By the time the show came out... it didn't. As in it's never aired in the US, and wasn't shown over here either.
For good reason too-you can find the episodes online, and the quality on display is lacklustre. (It's name is Yabba Dabba Dinosaurs). Before the show aired, the studio who financed it were unhappy with the results, and so it got a one season order of 13 episodes, cut down from 22.

While the big film productions get attention (Wolfwalkers, for example) they don't recoup their budgets very quickly. Some of their earlier movies are still recouping their budget. (Wolfwalkers suffered by being on the little seen Apple TV, and also being hit by a pandemic. It's audience was miniscule when compared to the likes of Soul or Klaus). Once the money comes in, they have to pay it back to the people who helped finance their films.

Similar when they do TV shows. IT can take 7 years to get funding for a TV project. And just as long to repay the financers.

Elmo

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Much of the adulation was PR tho. My cousin has 3 young children-they find the homeschool hub thing useless. What they want to learn is math, english, irish etc. What they get is none of the above.

Have they tried TG4 Cula4 Sa Scoil?

My point really is this. RTÉ cut funding when they said they wouldn't. As a public service broadcaster IMO there are 2 area that are worth more than all the Because .... and RTÉ Supporting the Arts ... PR stunts and that's both Children's and Drama. This is regardless of if they make money.

Love/Hate for example only did relatively well internationally, but from a national perspective it was a huge hit.
The same goes for Home School Hub its make children's TV and the PR from it is noticable.

You get rid of these (which RTÉ have) and all your left with is

RTÉ Because....... Just Because ...... Just Because

Biafranlivemat

Elmo wrote: »

Kind of soft local report that RTÉ often do for Six-one from their local reporters.

My two cents.

Local American TV "news" stations, have done this type of "feel good" stories for years, but then again local TV here is crap, stopped watching it years ago.

McHardcore

The Anti RTE had a show of force at the protests yesterday.
https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1365751061475131393?s=20

RabbleRouser2k

McHardcore wrote: »

The Anti RTE had a show of force at the protests yesterday.
https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1365751061475131393?s=20

When their spelling is as bad as that... you know you're not dealing with the country's brightest.

RabbleRouser2k

Ten Pin wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prosecution-unlikely-for-rte-staff-in-illegal-gathering-lfc8dpbr3


In RTE land, "spontaneous and not organised" equates to 21 hours advance notice...


https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/rte-staff-were-given-21-hours-notice-of-impromptu-event-40016203.html

Wonder if those protesters in Dublin can use the same claim to avoid prosecution?

'It was an impromptu gathering, your honor'.

McHardcore

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

When their spelling is as bad as that... you know you're not dealing with the country's brightest.

True. Their arguments against RTE and the "mainstream media" were equally dubious.

"Groups such as Yellow Vest Ireland and the right-wing National Party promoted the protest on their social media pages. Other Irish Facebook groups, which have been used to spread conspiracy theories about vaccines, promoted yesterday as “Unite the Tribes”.

Speakers at the event criticised “the mainstream media” while some carried signs knocking RTE and other news groups. After the clashes on Grafton Street the protest moved to the GPO for an impromptu party, where beer and joints were shared by some.

Among the protesters was Erica Parker, a mother of one from Swords, who was drinking a can of Heineken while holding a flyer from the National Party. Parker and her friend Susan wore matching black hoodies which said “RTE sold there [sic] souls” and “Save our children from the reptilians”.

Parker said she was protesting against the lockdown and vaccines. “We’re here to protest against RTE as well,” she added. Her friend said over “9,000 people went missing in Ireland last year”.

Asked how this was linked to RTE, the pair outlined a conspiracy theory that involved babies being killed and harvested for “adrenochrome” which is used to keep RTE celebrities “looking young” while the corpses are buried under the new children’s hospital."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/conspiracy-fans-jubilant-over-demo-success-nj8zfbhfz

The J Stands for Jay

McHardcore wrote: »

Asked how this was linked to RTE, the pair outlined a conspiracy theory that involved babies being killed and harvested for “adrenochrome” which is used to keep RTE celebrities “looking young” while the corpses are buried under the new children’s hospital."[/I]

Isn't this a sub plot from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas?

ligerdub

I do find it amusing when an entire group or argument can be broken down by using some anecdotes of individual people and their beliefs.

"Among the protesters was Erica Parker, a mother of one from Swords, who was drinking a can of Heineken while holding a flyer from the National Party. Parker and her friend Susan wore matching black hoodies which said “RTE sold there [sic] souls” and “Save our children from the reptilians”.

I mean is the above serious journalism? Are we to believe that everyone who opposes the lockdown is some sort of layabout or the oft-used "conspiracy theorist"? In this instance they've gone one further and characterised this person as having an alcohol problem. That may be true but it's hardly fair or credible journalism. I mean even if that were true, does that mean that they've no right to voice an opposition to the lockdown? I myself am opposed to the lockdowns and I'm no "save our children from the reptilian" type thank you.

As for RTE's contribution in this regard, they've hardly been shy in hyping up the fear and I think it's reasonable to make the claim that they are biased towards the negative and ultra-caution.

RabbleRouser2k

ligerdub wrote: »

I do find it amusing when an entire group or argument can be broken down by using some anecdotes of individual people and their beliefs.

"Among the protesters was Erica Parker, a mother of one from Swords, who was drinking a can of Heineken while holding a flyer from the National Party. Parker and her friend Susan wore matching black hoodies which said “RTE sold there [sic] souls” and “Save our children from the reptilians”.

I mean is the above serious journalism? Are we to believe that everyone who opposes the lockdown is some sort of layabout or the oft-used "conspiracy theorist"? In this instance they've gone one further and characterised this person as having an alcohol problem. That may be true but it's hardly fair or credible journalism. I mean even if that were true, does that mean that they've no right to voice an opposition to the lockdown? I myself am opposed to the lockdowns and I'm no "save our children from the reptilian" type thank you.

As for RTE's contribution in this regard, they've hardly been shy in hyping up the fear and I think it's reasonable to make the claim that they are biased towards the negative and ultra-caution.

It's quite telling that so many journalists go into writing fiction... feels like they practise it with these journalistic pieces. (And its not as if a journalist hasn't done this before).

Elmo

It's also annoying to see how RTÉ people have picked up on this picture, they seem to think that anyone who has any legitimate criticism is up there with the far Right or lacks education.

vriesmays

Biden bombs Syria but no big news on RTE, if Trump did this it would be RTE's leading story.

RabbleRouser2k

Elmo wrote: »

It's also annoying to see how RTÉ people have picked up on this picture, they seem to think that anyone who has any legitimate criticism is up there with the far Right or lacks education.

Defer, project, and blame. The usual media strategy.

Case in point-Ciara Kelly did quite a bit to rile up many of these individuals. On Newstalk, she was pushing the blame onto other people.
Apparently she didn't like helping reap what she sewed.

There probably were people with legitimate concerns at that protest. Concerns for mental health, for their business, the delays in the vaccine distribution... etc etc etc.

But you ALWAYS get wasters who turn up to these things to have party and cause trouble.

McHardcore

Bashing RTE has become a joke



https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2021/03/01/rte-is-killing-babees-ded-gerda-korruption-is-elverys-wear/

RabbleRouser2k

The last few years, Waterford Whispers has become...very bitter, in it's humour.

USed to love making fun of RTe, now sucks up them at every turn.

(Probably has something to do with the 'God violated young Mary' sketch that got them in a whole heap of trouble, and led to apologies).

Arthur Daley

Expert at convincing you they're anti establishment, when they're more establishment in their thinking than they'll ever know.

Quags

vriesmays wrote: »

Biden bombs Syria but no big news on RTE, if Trump did this it would be RTE's leading story.

Sums up RTE, They probably feel that Uncle Joe is "Irish" so they wont do no bad publicity against him

For Forks Sake

vriesmays wrote: »

Biden bombs Syria but no big news on RTE, if Trump did this it would be RTE's leading story.

Far be it for me to defend RTE, but it's literally right there (from Friday) : https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0226/1199477-us-strikes-syria-iran/

ben.schlomo

https://www.rte.ie/eile/2021/0209/1196058-have-your-say-about-rte/

A chance to air your views, to some degree.

Elmo

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Being accountable to the public and stakeholders is a key Public Service Media principle.
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Elmo

Q6 How important is it to you that RTÉ provides the following?

Programmes and other content to watch live or on-demand

Not important at all, your only a ****ing content provider. :pac: