Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

elperello

Deleted User wrote: »

Please don't conflate RTE and PBS. If we can constitute a Public Broadcasting Service for Ireland(PBSfI), not a cynical rebranding of RTE to escape a toxic brand for an organisation that is incapable of reformed then I might be interested.
You would like to dismiss the Critics of not having a nuanced practical approach. It should be obvious that the majority see the RTE exactly for what it is.

De facto RTE is the current embodiment of PBS.

The notion of closing down RTE and starting from scratch to create a new entity is interesting but I doubt it will happen.

I'm not sure that it would save any money and further not clear that it is necessary.

Sorry if I appeared dismissive, it wasn't my intention.

While there is a clear anti RTE majority on here I'm not sure that is reflected in the rest of the population.

mgn

elperello wrote: »

Quick and honest reply - I really don't know.

Not sure that it matters what I , an anonymous poster on here, thinks anyway.

I do think she has a tough job.

Not trying to be funny, but I have to wonder why an anonymous poster spends so much time defending RTE, even the die hard RTE fans are getting sick of it by now, same faces on everything regardless of talent, same repeats over and over, even RTE's flagship Late Late Show dropping viewers every week.
As for it being a tough job for Dee, its not. its just that she is not fit to do the job.
The dogs on street know that.

elperello

buried wrote: »

Yeah, point taken there too but I would see those two entities, especially the GAA as having some sort of worthwhile value to society and communities, but TV shows such as Davy Fitzgerald roaring at a bunch of lads to swim quicker through the end of a boghole or where Catherine Thomas is looking down her nose at people wanting to loose weight are in no way a public service to me, or for a lot of people I know, so why should we pay for this mediocre output that seems to cost millions?

buried wrote: »

But that's exactly what RTE has become due to its own mismanagement of funds. Why should I who has no say in the matter fork up the cost?

That's not really how government funding works.

You don't get to micro manage the performance of every recipient of money from the exchequer.

I would envisage set agreed deliverables on time and within budget with strict reporting deadlines.

After that the editorial content and programming would be a matter for management.

buried

elperello wrote: »

That's not really how government funding works.

But, that's my point, it seems at RTE that's EXACTLY how this particular set of 'government funding' does work for itself, and by doing so has shown time and time again how it is continuously taking us, the taxpayer for some sort of eegits that they think were born last week. For instance, time and time again the excuse laid out by Dee Forbes and her predecessor's when they are questioned about totally exorbitant salaries dished out to people like Ryan Tubridy is this - 'we have to pay them this salary or else somebody else will pay them similar or more'.

That there, by the Director General's own admission is where this entity STOPS being a PSB and enters the actual realm of private commercialism. Which is not mine, or yours, or anybody else's remit to fund, especially as they have entered that commercial territory on their own behalf. It shouldn't matter to a PSB what its employees are being paid and how much. That's not their remit of existence or the terms to what they are supposed to achieve.

buried

elperello wrote: »

I would envisage set agreed deliverables on time and within budget with strict reporting deadlines.

Exactly, the people being asked to pay for this should be ones to oversee it also.

elperello

mgn wrote: »

Not trying to be funny, but I have to wonder why an anonymous poster spends so much time defending RTE, even the die hard RTE fans are getting sick of it by now, same faces on everything regardless of talent, same repeats over and over, even RTE's flagship Late Late Show dropping viewers every week.
As for it being a tough job for Dee, its not. its just that she is not fit to do the job.
The dogs on street know that.

I'm not sure where you are getting your insights into what "die hard" RTE fans think. Certainly not on here as far as I can see.

As I have said many times on this and other threads I believe that a Public Broadcasting Service covering both radio and TV, funded from general taxation is the best solution.

We all have programmes we don't like but that is neither here nor there.

mgn

elperello wrote: »

I'm not sure where you are getting your insights into what "die hard" RTE fans think. Certainly not on here as far as I can see.

As I have said many times on this and other threads I believe that a Public Broadcasting Service covering both radio and TV, funded from general taxation is the best solution.

We all have programmes we don't like but that is neither here nor there.

Well my mother is one of them ''die hard' fans and used to love the likes of the LLS and the Afternoon Show but now finishes up changing the channel half way through, so to me, that not good.

Elmo

elperello wrote: »

I'm not sure where you are getting your insights into what "die hard" RTE fans think. Certainly not on here as far as I can see.

As I have said many times on this and other threads I believe that a Public Broadcasting Service covering both radio and TV, funded from general taxation is the best solution.

We all have programmes we don't like but that is neither here nor there.

Elperello I am a die hard fan and a die hard fan of RTÉ, however over the last 10 years it has been anything but PSB.

RTÉ in their submission to the Media commission also agree with you on direct funding...however bizarrely as they off loaded the NSO to the NCH the "independent" report into the NSO and NCO objected that either should be fully funded by the Government as the government of the day may have other priorities.

RTÉ's own example of TG4 getting direct funding failed to mention that from 2011 to 2018 it received a portion of the license fee as the government cut direct funding, only restoring funding in 2019 and in 2020 giving them extra funding... in other words should a government decided that public service broadcasting is a luxury that we can ill afford then the PSB get a cut.

As for Brendan O'Connor interviewing Dee Forbes, he did not interview Dee Forbes, she was interviewed by Richard Curran on The Business just before the BOC show.

As for Brendan O'Connor, his wife's father was a producer in RTÉ (unsurprisingly a sticky) but never DG, he left RTÉ in the 1990s.

As for Richard Curran, he is the brother of Noel Curran, Ms. Forbes predecessor..... make of that what you will.

As I say I don't care if RTÉ make profit or a loss or breakeven as long as they provide a public service, they currently do not. IMO

elperello

buried wrote: »

But, that's my point, it seems at RTE that's EXACTLY how this particular set of 'government funding' does work for itself, and by doing so has shown time and time again how it is continuously taking us, the taxpayer for some sort of eegits that they think were born last week. For instance, time and time again the excuse laid out by Dee Forbes and her predecessor's when they are questioned about totally exorbitant salaries dished out to people like Ryan Tubridy is this - 'we have to pay them this salary or else somebody else will pay them similar or more'.

That there, by the Director General's own admission is where this entity STOPS being a PSB and enters the actual realm of private commercialism. Which is not mine, or yours, or anybody else's remit to fund, especially as they have entered that commercial territory on their own behalf. It shouldn't matter to a PSB what its employees are being paid and how much. That's not their remit of existence or the terms to what they are supposed to achieve.

buried wrote: »

Exactly, the people being asked to pay for this should be ones to oversee it also.

I'm not sure that we should go the road of a PSB without some element of commercial type programming.

Without drama, lifestyle and light entertainment reflecting a uniquely Irish take on life we would be vacating the stage to imported content and turning away the audience that is there.

I would be happy to leave the question of contracts and salaries to management provided the programmes "wash their face" and don't require inordinate subsidy.

Gen.Zhukov

elperello wrote: »

While there is a clear anti RTE majority on here I'm not sure that is reflected in the rest of the population.

^Why?

Would the rest of the population not be fairly well encapsulated in this thread. Y'know, people from all parts of the country, varied age range etc.

I'd say this thread is extremely representative of how RTE is seen around the country.

Do you think Peader and Mary just love having Mrs Brown, Pat Short, Kathryn Thomas, etc, etc, shoved at them every day?


Now, moving on to another massive issue. Noel Kelly Management.
This company has way too much influence in RTE (the Public SB)
Ultimately, everyone that pays their licence is helping put this guys kids through college and is paying for his extremely comfortable lifestyle.

He has all the big earners in there so when Duffy invoices RTE €400k pa, Kelly invoices Duffy -what- €40k?

When Tubs invoices RTE €500k pa, Kelly invoices Tubs €50k?

D'Arcy doesn't show up in Kelly's catalogue but I'd put money on it that Kelly is his agent too. I'd also put a wee bet on that clown Bernard O'Shea being in there too. The amount of plugging for his new sh!t show is unreal

This isn't right. Not enough people know about Mr. Kelly and it's time that changed.

Elmo

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

D'Arcy doesn't show up in Kelly's catalogue but I'd put money on it that Kelly is his agent too. I'd also put a wee bet on that clown Bernard O'Shea being in there too. The amount of plugging for his new sh!t show is unreal

They are plugging it because RTÉ2 is up ****e creek. They are hoping that they can get an audience for RTÉ2's monday night line up, along with the Prince Andrew interview and the Ireland WC qualifier should bring the audience up significantly for March.

buried

elperello wrote: »

I'm not sure that we should go the road of a PSB without some element of commercial type programming.

Without drama, lifestyle and light entertainment reflecting a uniquely Irish take on life we would be vacating the stage to imported content and turning away the audience that is there.

I would be happy to leave the question of contracts and salaries to management provided the programmes "wash their face" and don't require inordinate subsidy.

But if you actually want any of that, the the only place to get it is on TG4, so the audience is being turned there anyway. Which I would have no problem paying for BTW.

Elmo

elperello wrote: »

Without drama, lifestyle and light entertainment reflecting a uniquely Irish take on life we would be vacating the stage to imported content and turning away the audience that is there.

Drama?
Light Entertainment?
Comedy?

Name a few. Please.

elperello

Elmo wrote: »

Drama?
Light Entertainment?
Comedy?

Name a few. Please.

That was part of a discussion about future priorities and I didn't say comedy but now that you mention it comedy is a bit of a sore point.

elperello

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

^Why?

Would the rest of the population not be fairly well encapsulated in this thread. Y'know, people from all parts of the country, varied age range etc.

I'd say this thread is extremely representative of how RTE is seen around the country.

Do you think Peader and Mary just love having Mrs Brown, Pat Short, Kathryn Thomas, etc, etc, shoved at them every day?


Now, moving on to another massive issue. Noel Kelly Management.
This company has way too much influence in RTE (the Public SB)
Ultimately, everyone that pays their licence is helping put this guys kids through college and is paying for his extremely comfortable lifestyle.

He has all the big earners in there so when Duffy invoices RTE €400k pa, Kelly invoices Duffy -what- €40k?

When Tubs invoices RTE €500k pa, Kelly invoices Tubs €50k?

D'Arcy doesn't show up in Kelly's catalogue but I'd put money on it that Kelly is his agent too. I'd also put a wee bet on that clown Bernard O'Shea being in there too. The amount of plugging for his new sh!t show is unreal

This isn't right. Not enough people know about Mr. Kelly and it's time that changed.

I'm open to persuasion about this forum reflecting the opinions of the general public but experience leads me to doubt it does.

As for NKM, I have no issues with it.

Elmo

elperello wrote: »

That was part of a discussion about future priorities and I didn't say comedy but now that you mention it comedy is a bit of a sore point.

These are priorities right now, RTÉ dropped them. It is very difficult to give people the opertunities to learn when you cut funding to each. Same goes for children's TV.

They may be down 25% since 2008 (though they've retained most of their income since 2009), but at the same time they have cut in many of the areas that you mention.

Light Entertainment is purely Chat shows and Day Time TV.
Drama is mainly co-productions and in some cases no RTÉ involvement
Comedy is non-existent

Independent Drama and Comedy in 2019 was at €3.5million, that includes 10 episodes of the TOMMY TEIRNAN SHOW.

Children's TV was only revived in 2020 because of this pandemic.

elperello

Elmo wrote: »

Elperello I am a die hard fan and a die hard fan of RTÉ, however over the last 10 years it has been anything but PSB.

RTÉ in their submission to the Media commission also agree with you on direct funding...however bizarrely as they off loaded the NSO to the NCH the "independent" report into the NSO and NCO objected that either should be fully funded by the Government as the government of the day may have other priorities.

RTÉ's own example of TG4 getting direct funding failed to mention that from 2011 to 2018 it received a portion of the license fee as the government cut direct funding, only restoring funding in 2019 and in 2020 giving them extra funding... in other words should a government decided that public service broadcasting is a luxury that we can ill afford then the PSB get a cut.

As for Brendan O'Connor interviewing Dee Forbes, he did not interview Dee Forbes, she was interviewed by Richard Curran on The Business just before the BOC show.

As for Brendan O'Connor, his wife's father was a producer in RTÉ (unsurprisingly a sticky) but never DG, he left RTÉ in the 1990s.

As for Richard Curran, he is the brother of Noel Curran, Ms. Forbes predecessor..... make of that what you will.

As I say I don't care if RTÉ make profit or a loss or breakeven as long as they provide a public service, they currently do not. IMO

Sorry I failed to reply to this one, as you can see I was a bit busy tonight

I wouldn't even describe myself as a die hard fan of RTE despite what some seem to think.

Anyway you have assumed the mantle now and you will have to own it.

As for the BOC/Curran stuff, I did not post about it except tp point out that it was unsurprising for an RTE employee to be conducting an interview with DF.

A break even and better public service would do it for me.

Elmo

elperello wrote: »

As for the BOC/Curran stuff, I did not post about it except tp point out that it was unsurprising for an RTE employee to be conducting an interview with DF.

I was just correcting some of the previous comments by others in that reply.

Gen.Zhukov

Elmo wrote: »

They are plugging it because RTÉ2 is up ****e creek. They are hoping that they can get an audience for RTÉ2's monday night line up, along with the Prince Andrew interview and the Ireland WC qualifier should bring the audience up significantly for March.

In the last few months Bernard O'Shea has been on:

TLLS x 2- Tubridy (NKM)
CBL- Claire B (NKM)
Weekend on One- BO'C (?)

Boards.ie BOS search https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?sort=newest&date_to=&date_from=&query=Bernard+O%27Shea

That's classic NKM promotion.

mgn

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

In the last few months Bernard O'Shea has been on:

TLLS x 2- Tubridy (NKM)
CBL- Claire B (NKM)
Weekend on One- BO'C (?)

Boards.ie BOS search https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?sort=newest&date_to=&date_from=&query=Bernard+O%27Shea

That's classic NKM promotion.

And there is the classic example in a nutshell, its not what you know, its who you know, and its rife across the board in RTE.

Hotblack Desiato

Not so much who you know, but who you are related to

skimpydoo

Since Love Hate ended has RTE produced any worthwhile TV shows other than The Tommy Tiernan Show?

vriesmays

They should bring back that season of cult films with some guy talking about it.

Walking_Wolf

Love/Hate was one of the best things that RTÉ made in recent years. The last series was 7 years ago.. I wonder why they haven't commissioned another series since then. I know it was Stuart Carolan's creation but who owns the rights to it? Is it just the case that there isn't enough money in the coffers to fund another series?

Ash.J.Williams

skimpydoo wrote: »

Since Love Hate ended has RTE produced any worthwhile TV shows other than The Tommy Tiernan Show?

didn't stuart carolan have another series about people trafficking / brothels?
i missed it at the time but it looked good

Elmo

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

didn't stuart carolan have another series about people trafficking / brothels?
i missed it at the time but it looked good

And it was terrible. I think he might be involved in their new drama Kin.

They should bring back that season of cult films with some guy talking about it.

The last picture show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3toCo07g3U

TomTomTim

Walking_Wolf wrote: »

Love/Hate was one of the best things that RTÉ made in recent years. The last series was 7 years ago.. I wonder why they haven't commissioned another series since then. I know it was Stuart Carolan's creation but who owns the rights to it? Is it just the case that there isn't enough money in the coffers to fund another series?

They have a similar show coming out, directed by the director of Red Rock. I'm sure it will be top class :pac:

Government buildings

Love Hate and Red Rock were excellent, but I personally think RTE funds could be better used.

Television such as the above could be imported, saving RTE a lot of cash.

skimpydoo

Government buildings wrote: »

Love Hate and Red Rock were excellent, but I personally think RTE funds could be better used.

Television such as the above could be imported, saving RTE a lot of cash.

Red Rock was TV3/Virgin Media not RTE and yes it was great.

Elmo

skimpydoo wrote: »

Red Rock was TV3/Virgin Media not RTE and yes it was great.

It was fairly average to be fair. But a good alternative to Fair City. RED ROCK was TV3/BAI SOUND AND VISION FUND/IRISH FILM BOARD. They messed around with the schedule had the roled the series out over 3 years rather then nearly 5 they might have done well, it should have been kept, RTÉ should have picked it up.