Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860168#Comment_121860168

they're not posing the serious questions for young people, like why is property so skewed against them. Instead we get a constant stream of shows that are literally "houses you plebs can't afford" etc...

Like with the Irish Times I'm convinced a lot of the RTE lifestyle programming basically caters for semi state managerial salaries.

Considering how much a stay at his hotels cost i'm always amazed how much free advertising the Brennen brothers were given in the name of national broadcasting.

fuzzy dunlop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860168#Comment_121860168

I don't agree that it was an instrument of social change. We had no divorce until 1996 and the 8th wasn't repealed until recently. Social change in Ireland more or less corresponded with social change everywhere else. We may have lagged in some ways but not as much as many assume.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860168#Comment_121860168

It wasn't that great for social change. Only when British television channels became more available here that social change started to occur.

The Late Late has retrospectively been given far too much credit for social change.

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860455#Comment_121860455

Got to agree.

In the 70s and 80s i could never understand why a national broadcaster gave so much free airtime to the Vatican and other religious cults.

On matters of the private individual it seemed no RTE discussion panel wasn't complete without a priest or a nun having the last word.

Edit to add, if we're going to insist that the angelus is now secular/cultural theme then we also have to shoehorn in a muslim call to player and every other daily/weekly religious ritual present in our secular state.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860168#Comment_121860168

The young (and many people in general) don't even watch live TV anymore in many cases - it's all Youtube and streaming unless it's a live event like a match.

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121855900#Comment_121855900

That’s not entirely true. She didn’t have the trust of the “minister”.

i have thought this all along and will continue to say it. Martin was not telling the truth at the committee meeting. She said media had contacted her about the situation. Siun, contradicts that. She explains clearly why it would have lead to her resignation, it did.

Martin lied about monthly meetings. Siun documents this.

obviously, with a topic of such importance, Martin should have met with Siun BEFORE prime time and discussed it. It was a set up.

having read suin’s reply and having see what Martin said, someone is not telling the truth.

simple, calendar of meetings will prove one way or the other. I know who I believe to be telling the truth….and it isn’t the Minister.

This has legs…..

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860639#Comment_121860639

All things being equal the side that doesn't like the public knowing where their tv license money goes is the one playing games.

This petulance means that the only way a minister in any government can know is if rte is taken in-house.

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860639#Comment_121860639

Lot of fluff and fcukkery in that post ill have to say

RTE have been screwing the taxpayer and corn holing the licence fee payer for yonks.

They have been riding them bareback with the wedges paid to presenters on false pretences, nepotism, secrecy, sweetheart deals, arrogance,liggeracy,barter accounts, agents having the run of the gaff, junkets, insider operations for f++++++g decades.

And you start believing them now

That post is disgusting Sir.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860455#Comment_121860455

Well, you may not remember Ireland as it was back then 60s/70s but I do at least in the countryside. Very conservative, church dominant and no real discussion. This article is taken from wiki,'

Originally intended as light summer "filler",[19]The Late Late Show soon developed into a forum for contentious opinion and debate, involving topics such as divorce, contraception and a number of areas hitherto unspoken. Much of the populace, especially in the south and west of Ireland, had no previous experience of television, and many were unprepared for The Late Late Show bringing such discussion into their homes (large swathes of Ireland were rural and devoutly Roman Catholic). Indeed, the politician Oliver J. Flanagan, whilst guesting on the show, proclaimed there to have been "no sex in Ireland until Teilifís Éireann went on the air", reflecting this greater indiscretion.[20]Archbishop of Dublin, John Charles McQuaid, was confronted by a guest in the show's first series—a sensational and unprecedented event. Many more such events would follow, each contributing to the folklore and mythical qualities of The Late Late Show.'

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121861209#Comment_121861209

Jesus get out a little bit more.

Where did I say anything about RTE not screwing the tax payer?

This is about “facts” a committee meeting were told by the minister, which in my opinion were false.

Do I believe RTE..nope. Do I think it should be disbanded? Yes. Do I think it is a vipers nest of corruption and nepotism? Yes.

However, we have an incompetent Minister (again paid for by the taxpayer) not doing her job and recreating history to save herself. We have a DG who she appointed and then threw under the bus, after doing the same with a Chair live on TV. All to save herself.

The facts are, semi-states have this entitlement culture which is disgusting. Politicians see themselves above others. When I leave a job I don’t need to have an “exit” payment package, I get a salary.

If someone can explain to me why certain people feel the “need” to be compensated for leaving their jobs with €200k to €750k please let me know, I’ll apply. I probably have more experience than most.

ANYHOO, back to the minister and the Chair. Someone is lying! Either way, the cheapest route and one with the least “impact” on the minister was to remove the current chair. Then appoint someone new in 10 days? You don’t think this was planned?

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121861455#Comment_121861455

My apologies, I did not evaluate your post as well as I should have.

I overreacted, flew off the handle a bit.

Thank you for a measured and kind response.

kazamo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860455#Comment_121860455

I think the biggest block in delaying social change were the twin powers of the Church and State.

Forty years ago we had the very sad news of Ann Lovett. The public attitude based on what the Church and State stance was to unmarried mothers was disgusting, but programmes like the Gay Byrne show helped to slowly change attitudes. Goldenbridge is another example.

No, it didn’t happen as quickly as it should have, but RTE was the only one asking the questions and at least creating a debate.

Don’t really remember Dear Frankie radio programme, but I think if we had access, it would give an indication of how behind the times we were, and how much progress we have made. Hearing other voices of people in the same situation, is powerful.

Just a pity current day RTE have lost touch with that remit……DWTS ffs

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121862059#Comment_121862059

Dear Frankie and the Late Late very cutting edge in their day tame by current standards.

yagan

A lot of the problem is that communications has changed while RTE continues on as if the internet isn't the primary source of information now.

The importance of a national channel for official updates was perfectly illustrated during the pandemic, however aside from community, sports and weather nearly everything else RTE produces can be easily catered for by the private sector.

I'd be happy to pay for one channel, with a second one in reserve for important events that clash, and no commercial breaks.

I fail to see how property porn shows which are basically advertising posing as RTE documentaries and endless celebrity fare are in the national interest.

Edit to add, we don't need a national soap opera.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121862259#Comment_121862259

What's a national soap opera? RTE?

tom23

Nobody gives a **** about RTE . Painful to watch left right and centre. All jazz hands and bulshit. Same fuckers recycled find a vehicle for them somehow same with the corporate end of things so far up their own holes. build trust with the public? no folks i just don’t want to know… just gonna. I’d rather watch shite on youtube

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121862471#Comment_121862471

Fairly sh1tty

Bob Marley Park

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121862259#Comment_121862259

I think getting found out is a bigger problem for RTE.

political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121862259#Comment_121862259

Traditionally, a soap opera is regarded as being part of public-service broadcasting, e.g. The Archers, which is still running on BBC Radio 4.

fuzzy dunlop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121861360#Comment_121861360

The last sentence of the quote is the most relevant i.e the "mythical qualities' and that is what this is....a myth. Correlation is not causation! You are assuming that because change occurred in Ireland at a certain time and RTE started broadcasting at this time then the two things are inextricable. Changed started to occur well before this. The welfare state for example, while perhaps not as extensive as the post war British model was definitely something that was occurring. Urbanisation was also rapidly accelerating in Ireland. Industrialization also rapidly increased. Rural conservatism is not unique to Ireland. It is a phenomenon that exists across the world for the simple reason that rural societies need to be more self reliant and family oriented. Ireland was still predominantly rural afaik up until the 70's. So even if we had been able to pillarize the way the Dutch do for example the problem was that we basically had one ethno-religious pillar.

The revolutionary politics that developed in Ireland in the 18th and 19th centuries managed to do so without RTE. The people who fought in the Spanish Civil War on the Republican side and who confronted the religious hierarchy in Waterford managed to do so without the platform of the Late Late show. Yet despite two decades of the LLS and RTE we had the unedifying spectacle of Eamon Casey and Michael Cleary saying mass next to Pope JP2 in the Phoenix Park in 1979. The Kerry Babies in 1984 and Annie Murphy being insulted on the very same LLS in the 90's. The same LLS and RTE which provided a platform for trendy priests (some paedophiles) well into the 90's. Did RTE faciliate change? Possibly! But it is also possible that it held back change due to its monopoly status particularly in radio.

fuzzy dunlop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121862059#Comment_121862059

The Sunday Tribune broke the Ann Lovett story. And it wasn't just church and state that was blocking social change. The establishment in general particularly the professions had a role to play. It is seldom mentioned that the first off of the blocks in opposition to the mother and child scheme in the 50s was the Irish Medical Association and many General Practitioners motivated by potential loss of income. Something we would see repeated in the noughties with regard to medical card payments.

Caquas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860455#Comment_121860455

Wrong. Ireland was a complete outlier in European terms until this century. The 8th amendment had no parallel in Europe and the very cautious divorce referendum was only passed by a hair’s breadth in 1996, having been defeated heavily in 1986.

RTÉ played a major role in liberalisation. Believe it or not, the Late Late Show was a powerful force for change in those years.

The problem for RTÉ is that it has no idea what role it should play in modern Ireland and if they don’t fix the scandals, the answer may be - None.

Caquas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121864090#Comment_121864090

It is impossible to prove direct causation for a social revolution but the opponents of change, chiefly the Catholic Church and its political supporters, had no doubt that RTÉ was a prime cause of liberalisation.

As Oliver J. Flanagan, a leading spokesperson for Catholic values, put it so memorably on the Late Late “There was no sex in Ireland before TV” !

Of course RTÉ could have done more to expose abuses but it had to operate within a very different environment.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856503#Comment_121856503

The FG fanatics on here all told us we'd have to pay the charge for the Irish Water superquango corruption and waste. We didn't.

yagan

If what others have asserted is true that the gambling industry influenced the cancelling the appearance on the LLS of a gambling addiction awareness advocate then in the present age RTE are in hoc with commercial interests in a way that they once were with the RCC.

I've no problem paying for a public service provider, but one that isn't commercial.

fuzzy dunlop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121864172#Comment_121864172

You are proving my point and you need to read a history book not some Oirish Toimes hagiography! If RTE played a major role in liberalization how come these things took so long to shake off? In what sense was Ireland a 'complete outlier' ? Spain was run by a fascist dictator until 1975 and a fascist coup in 1981, while Portugal de-facto had a similar situation.Greece was another one where a fascist junta ran the place for most of its post war history and Cyprus almost went the same way. Most of Eastern Europe was under the yoke of the Soviet Union until 1990 and while they may be out from that particular form of oppression are not liberal democracies in any meaningful sense. Britain while decriminalizing homosexuality in the 80's had until then extremely oppressive legislation. And while it may have been repealed it didn't stop the fourth estate hounding people like Kenny Everett and Elton John and God knows who else for their sexuality. BTW, religious hymns were still sung in many state British schools well in to the 80's while corporal punishment in schools was banned in 1987 ,five years after Ireland (1982). However also like Ireland it persisted for a long time afterward 'unofficially'. Abortion law as restrictive as Ireland's persisted in countries like Poland and Malta and several micro states virtually to this day. Sweden had a forced sterilization program well in to the 70s, along with Denmark. The list of these things is endless. Several EU countries such as Denmark still have an established church as does England and Scotland. While many others such as Sweden recognize the importance of a particular church in their constitution while Ireland's has been 100% secular since 1972. But you would never know it thanks to the constructed narratives that prevail. The fact is Ireland has and had its own national nuances and idiosyncrasies. But it is a conceit to think of it as terminally unique.

As I said liberalization occurs with urbanization and industrialization which accelerated after 1960. Other institutions many of them international like the EU (1973), WHO and UN (1955) provided an additional impetus.The Late Late Show and RTE? Give me a break!

fuzzy dunlop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121864193#Comment_121864193

I find this sudden "appeal to the authority" of Oliver Flanagan absolutely hilarious.This is the guy who wanted to expel Jewish people from Ireland.

fuzzy dunlop

Incidentally if the Wikipedia entry is accurate then its sheds light on the influence of RTE with regard to liberalization of Irish society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

60% of the population of Ireland could receive BBC and ITV by the end of the 50s. RTE was established to counter the influence of British Television. I would argue that RTE was founded to attenuate the liberalization effects of BBC more than anything else. It definitely calls into question the idea that Ireland would have been more or less liberal if RTE had not existed.

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Baba Yaga

since all this started coming out has anyone else noticed that all the players in this have faces on them like a bulldog after licking pish off a nettle?? is it because theyve been found out? way past time to close it down and bring in the fraud squad...