Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

Boggles

easypazz wrote: »

I disagree that its gash. With no state funding they mana g eto put out a reasonable product.

It's Virgin, they could fund the state if they wanted.

Honestly I never switch it on, what's good?

end of the road

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

You couldn't be arsed looking it up. Just like you couldn't be arsed using tune in to find other classical radio stations.
A common mindset no doubt and explains why RTE spend 6 million on a station that's duplicated by others when they are already bankrupt.

lyric is not duplicated by any other fm radio station in ireland.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

TG4 and RNG are not duplicated by anyone else and run very competent operations with very high quality, particularly TG4.

incorrect, they are duplicated by radio rira.
it's programming is all done in irish and is quite different to rnag and tg4 but it provides irish language content so there is no need for the other 2.
rnag is ran by rte by the way.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Its a duplication of 10 other easily accessible stations. One of many duplications in RTE.

RTE Gold is a duplication of Classic Hits FM. Its used as a retirement home for Larry Gogan.

RTE still believe they are the only show in town. Imagine how long Aer Lingus would have lasted if it pretended Ryanair never existed and still charged the cost of a weekly wage to fly to London. This is the mentality RTE still have.

lyric fm is a non-duplicate of 10 other not so easily accessable stations. i have already explained why the 10 stations aren't as easily accessable as lyric.
rte gold is much much better then classic hits and launched before it. it's problem is it has a lot less coverage due to the dab network not being as expansive, however that could be resolved by putting it on 2fm's transmission network on fm.

Doblin

Tbh the story about closing lyric is fake news, it's RTE trolling the government & the public hoping to get more money. I really can't see it happening. They'll possibly close the Limerick HQ tho and move the whole thing to mountrose.

easypazz

Boggles wrote: »

11% of the population according to the last census.

What % of those rely on lyric?

Maybe keep an extra garda station open here and there instead?

end of the road

easypazz wrote: »

Rte have 1800 staff. Thats mental.

11 or so radio stations, 4 or 5 tv stations, support staff to bring a higher standard of news and current affairs programming. i believe they also make some of their own programming. so it's not surprising that all adds up to a good number of staff.

easypazz wrote: »

Virgin media operate out of an industrial unit in the suberbs. I would take a guess 200 staff.

they mostly put out bought in programming. they don't put out a high proportion of news and current affairs programming. they only have i think 3 channels.

easypazz wrote: »

Rte needs to be broken up.

Flog the fancy site and operate the tv channels from a warehouse in the siburbs.

how do you run all of what rte runs from such a facility? you know a purpose built facility won't come cheap, and any warehouse would probably have to be extended, or even built to a suitable standard in the first place. chances are by the time that all gets done, a huge proportion of the money from the land sell off will have been wiped out. again, this is nothing more then a soundbite where people don't seem to think of the actual realities.

easypazz wrote: »

Franchise out 2fm, radio 1, lyric etc.

to who exactly? and what exactly would be the point?
the license fee won't reduce. the costs likely won't reduce because anyone bidding for the franchise will actually want to make a profit and unless the public service element is severely cut back, then the license fee will probably go up even higher then if the lot remained with rte.
so, more failed privatize nonsense.

easypazz wrote: »

Into a studio share with an existing radio station.

great, which radio station, and does this station have the space? will this radio station be forced to share such studios or could they build an extra one to incorporate 2fm?
what would this station offer via the transmission network of 2fm that either 2fm itself doesn't offer,or the other radio station doesn't offer on it's existing frequency?

easypazz wrote: »

Merge the orchestra with a university orchrstra.

and what would be the point of that as well? what would it achieve?

easypazz wrote: »

Job done.

no, not job done.
in fact, i have a bad feeling that you have probably cost us more for an even worse service.

Doblin

Virgin recently claimed to have more news & current affairs output per week than RTE

Ash.J.Williams

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I refused to watch it. Sinead is doing her old 'I'm a priest/ rastafarian now' routine... but this time 'I'm a muslim'. Her 'I don't want to hang around white people' was cringey, especially as she was wearing fake tan....and she is white. Like, pale white IRish.

But what really, really irked me (besides she sang her only hit song, again) is that she spat on the the dead body of Prince when he died... and yet still sings the song he wrote, as the ungrateful individual she truly is.
Or she uses her mental illness to try and not pay taxes.
Or go on Dr Phil.

People trying to pull this 'she's a feminist icon' are literally showing how poisonous that viewpoint has become...
She plays the victim, she acts the victim. She wants to be the victim...she'd convert to Scientology if she thought it would feed her victimhood.

She's been saying that about prince since it happened

end of the road

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The availability of FM radio and online radio either fixed or on your phone is roughly the same. Mobile phone operators offer something like 95% coverage nationwide.

Next...

whether phone operators offer 95% coverage across the country or not is irrelevant. it is the standard of the signal and whether it is strong enough to support people being able to reliably stream online radio. in a good few parts of the country, it is not strong enough. also, data will have to be paid for.
but it doesn't change the reality that terrestrial radio is much more accessable and easier to access, and that lyric meets the public service remit of rte, and it's existence via the fm platform is absolutely justified as online radio as fantastic as it is, is just not a suitable replacement for many.

Doblin wrote: »

Virgin recently claimed to have more news & current affairs output per week than RTE

say that it is the case that they do, how high is the standard of what they put out?

Shefwedfan

RTÉ most valuable asset is the land it is on, purpose built or not it is probably holding them back more than anything.

It would be interesting to see how much they spend trying to retrofit the current space compare to what it would cost to build an up to date space outside the city centre in a larger location. If they sold the whole lot and built plus the budget they pump in each year to update I would expect you would see saving

Look at the likes of BOI/AIB etc who have all pulled city centre based locations and moved to new offices outside the city centre which gives them an up to date space

They ain’t doing it to cost them money

Doblin

end of the road wrote: »

say that it is the case that they do, how high is the standard of what they put out?

I'm not really a regular viewer but their news programs seem no different from RTE's ones

elperello

Sorry if I gave a bum steer on the Lyric annual budget earlier.
I said it was €6m.
I have checked again and it seems it is €6.6m.
Both theses recent links quote that figure.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/478463/government-urged-to-intervene-to-ensure-future-of-rte-lyric-fm-in-limerick.html
https://journalofmusic.com/focus/lyric-fm-needs-new-vision-not-more-cuts

I was out and about listening to FM radio this afternoon.
No charge at point of use.
No contract.
No expensive equipment.

ohnonotgmail

easypazz wrote: »

What % of those rely on lyric?

Maybe keep an extra garda station open here and there instead?

are they the only options?

ToBeFrank123

elperello wrote: »

Sorry if I gave a bum steer on the Lyric annual budget earlier.
I said it was €6m.
I have checked again and it seems it is €6.6m.
Both theses recent links quote that figure.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/478463/government-urged-to-intervene-to-ensure-future-of-rte-lyric-fm-in-limerick.html
https://journalofmusic.com/focus/lyric-fm-needs-new-vision-not-more-cuts

I was out and about listening to FM radio this afternoon.
No charge at point of use.
No contract.
No expensive equipment.

Apart from a radio and the TV licence.

For Forks Sake

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

of course it is subsidised. it is public service broadcasting. public service broadcasting does not exist to make mony.

This is true. However, it does not accord free rein to waste money either.

elperello

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Apart from a radio and the TV licence.

Well yes you do need a radio to listen to radio stations.
On the other hand you don't need a licence of any description.

fritzelly

Just thinking about this earlier - can it be legal for the government to introduce a device independent broadcasting charge to pay to a semi state body that has commercial interests?
Surely there is some European competition law that comes in to play here? Under that law the government cannot do anything that may be detrimental to private companies in the way of sponsorship or funding - the BB fiasco would be an example of how they have to tread lightly

Whether you are able to consume RTE's services or not you will be obliged to pay a "tax" for something you don't use

end of the road

fritzelly wrote: »

Just thinking about this earlier - can it be legal for the government to introduce a device independent broadcasting charge to pay to a semi state body that has commercial interests?
Surely there is some European competition law that comes in to play here? Under that law the government cannot do anything that may be detrimental to private companies in the way of sponsorship or funding - the BB fiasco would be an example of how they have to tread lightly

by the looks of it there is no european competition law that comes in to play here, otherwise that would have come to light and been dealt with by now. + ireland isn't the only european country which has a charge for a tv licence, who's revenue goes to the state broadcaster.
also, the private companies here are doing well so nothing is being done that is detrimental to them by having a tv license charge and giving that money to rte to provide programming which isn't served by the commercial sector in ireland.

fritzelly wrote: »

Whether you are able to consume RTE's services or not you will be obliged to pay a "tax" for something you don't use

that's no different to any other public service. we all pay taxes which go to things which we ourselves don't use.

fritzelly

We pay taxes into a general fund that pays for public services for the benefit of all if they need it, I don't use child care but pay towards it - it's not the same as paying a semi commercial business. Giving money to RTE is only funding overpaid "stars" - that's not how the general tax fund works - a very good reason why pay scales in RTE should be quantified by those of the civil service. You can't have it both ways

Quick gander thru those still charging a licence fee within Europe - the closest to Ireland is Italy and a political party is intending to abolish it - they have a multitude of terrestrial channels to choose from
The next closest is Germany which funds multiple stations/regional output - and again a multitude of terrestrial channels
UK - ad free channels from the Beeb and again a multitude of terrestrial channels

Ireland - a few terrestrial channels that RTE want everyone to pay them for

end of the road

fritzelly wrote: »

We pay taxes into a general fund that pays for public services for the benefit of all if they need it, I don't use child care but pay towards it - it's not the same as paying a semi commercial business. Giving money to RTE is only funding overpaid "stars" - that's not how the general tax fund works - a very good reason why pay scales in RTE should be quantified by those of the civil service. You can't have it both ways

Quick gander thru those still charging a licence fee within Europe - the closest to Ireland is Italy and a political party is intending to abolish it - they have a multitude of terrestrial channels to choose from
The next closest is Germany which funds multiple stations/regional output - and again a multitude of terrestrial channels
UK - ad free channels from the Beeb and again a multitude of terrestrial channels

Ireland - a few terrestrial channels that RTE want everyone to pay them for

every channel that broadcasts via platforms such as satellite or cable is terrestrial. terrestrial does not mean privately run channels or commercial channels.
also, once again. it is the government who have decided that a charge is required, in return for receiving a license to have a device capable of receiving a terrestrial signal. the government decided that the revenue from such charge should go to the state broadcaster.
it is the government who decided that the state broadcaster must be semi-commercial so as to offset costs. in fact, the bbc also has commercial interests.
rte's channels are public service with some commercial programming on some of the channels.

Doblin

I wonder will there be many bidders for the tender to collect the licence fee? If an post lose the contract, that will open another can of worms about rural postmasters losing their livelihood.

Boggles

fritzelly wrote: »

Quick gander thru those still charging a licence fee within Europe - the closest to Ireland is Italy

The closest in terms of what?

fritzelly wrote: »

UK - ad free channels from the Beeb

A 4 billion budget allows that.

If you want RTE to be ad free you will have to pay a higher license fee.

fritzelly

Terrestrial as in DTT, i.e. Available to anyone with an aerial

Imreoir2

end of the road wrote: »

incorrect, they are duplicated by radio rira.
it's programming is all done in irish and is quite different to rnag and tg4 but it provides irish language content so there is no need for the other 2.
rnag is ran by rte by the way.

In that case we can get rid of Lyric and RTE1 because they are duplicated by 2FM, their programming is quite different, but they provide English language content so there is no need for the other two.

end of the road

Imreoir2 wrote: »

In that case we can get rid of Lyric and RTE1 because they are duplicated by 2FM, their programming is quite different, but they provide English language content so there is no need for the other two.

exactly, thank you for proving my point of how perceived duplication is not a reason for removing services.

Loafing Oaf

Doblin wrote: »

Tbh the story about closing lyric is fake news, it's RTE trolling the government & the public hoping to get more money. I really can't see it happening.

Me either. Have RTE offered any rationale for why out of all their services they might choose to axe Lyric? They must know it would be perceived as an act of gross philistinism and trashing of their public service remit.

Dr_serious2

Boggles wrote: »

Well it's hardly surprising it's an absolute load of gash so.

RTE is also a load of gash, the only difference being we have to pay for it.

There is no way RTE can look down its nose at Virgin or any other station- their schedule on RTE 2 is bottom of the barrel stuff and absolutely not serving a public service in any way. RTE 1 only slightly better.

If they get rid of RTE and 2fm and slash top presenters wages I will reconsider my position. It would also help if they stopped being a mouthpiece for the government and any other fad that happens to be in fashion this week.

end of the road

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

RTE is also a load of gash, the only difference being we have to pay for it.

There is no way RTE can look down its nose at Virgin or any other station- their schedule on RTE 2 is bottom of the barrel stuff and absolutely not serving a public service in any way. RTE 1 only slightly better.

If they get rid of RTE and 2fm and slash top presenters wages I will reconsider my position. It would also help if they stopped being a mouthpiece for the government and any other fad that happens to be in fashion this week.

yeah. it should absolutely become a mouthpiece that only tells part of the population what they want to hear and only gives information that aligns with their views. rather then the impartial fact based broadcaster it currently is . no thanks, turn over to sky news or somewhere else for that.

Atlantic Dawn

It's not a moon landing she is in charge of, it's a tv station spending much more money than it is taking in, the orchestra's are taking in over 7% of the organisations income, why does a broadcasting company have an orchestra?

https://www.thejournal.ie/rte-orchestra-licence-fee-3689617-Nov2017/

Fan of Netflix

https://twitter.com/RobCross247/status/1175542181840527360

RTE flies ad executives to Japan for World Cup. Front of the Sindo, more controversy for RTE. Their pleas for money are not credible with such wastage.

fritzelly

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's not a moon landing she is in charge of, it's a tv station spending much more money than it is taking in, the orchestra's are taking in over 7% of the organisations income, why does a broadcasting company have an orchestra?

https://www.thejournal.ie/rte-orchestra-licence-fee-3689617-Nov2017/

In fairness it's in the remit to finance the two orchestras - the big question is why two of them? Who ultimately are playing to a fraction of the country

fritzelly

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RobCross247/status/1175542181840527360

RTE flies ad executives to Japan for World Cup. Front of the Sindo, more controversy for RTE. Their pleas for money are not credible with such wastage.

Typical of them - on one hand bemoaning they don't have enough money, the next day another story breaks of their spending habits
Like the new news studio - why do you need a new studio just for news?

Damien360

fritzelly wrote: »

Typical of them - on one hand bemoaning they don't have enough money, the next day another story breaks of their spending habits
Like the new news studio - why do you need a new studio just for news?

You obviously don’t remember the old one. It was long past it’s sell by date.

I have no issue paying for a professional news service but i object to paying for 2fm and a host of overpaid staff and stars.

fritzelly

Damien360 wrote: »

You obviously don’t remember the old one. It was long past it’s sell by date.

I have no issue paying for a professional news service but i object to paying for 2fm and a host of overpaid staff and stars.

1.4 million for a few lights, a sofa, a desk and a tv - its the news ffs not GoT

I was quite happy with Dobbo and Sharon behind the desk - far better than the yobbo's they have now

end of the road

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RobCross247/status/1175542181840527360

RTE flies ad executives to Japan for World Cup. Front of the Sindo, more controversy for RTE. Their pleas for money are not credible with such wastage.

absolutely nothing controvertial about this. it's a huge event.

fritzelly wrote: »

In fairness it's in the remit to finance the two orchestras - the big question is why two of them? Who ultimately are playing to a fraction of the country

things playing to a fraction of the country is very much within rte's remit.

fritzelly wrote: »

Typical of them - on one hand bemoaning they don't have enough money, the next day another story breaks of their spending habits
Like the new news studio - why do you need a new studio just for news?

because the old studio's equipment was at end of life.
+ news has to be researched and then put together.

fritzelly wrote: »

1.4 million for a few lights, a sofa, a desk and a tv - its the news ffs not GoT

I was quite happy with Dobbo and Sharon behind the desk - far better than the yobbo's they have now

modern professional broadcast equipment does not come cheap.

fritzelly

You're as bad as boggles
News researched? Remember Twitterscape?

modern professional broadcast equipment does not come cheap.

Didn't know an infrequently used couch that usually has one person on it counts as broadcast equipment
Bit like the extensively researched chair for Tubs to sit on - very newsworthy, no one cares except to say it looks crap

AndyBoBandy

I see RTÉ have spared no expense at the rugby World Cup with their commentary team using iPhones for commentary!!

AndyBoBandy

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I see RTÉ have spared no expense at the rugby World Cup with their commentary team using iPhones for commentary!!

They’ve actually just dropped their own commentary team in favour of the standard stadium feed.

Fcuking amateurs

VinLieger

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

They’ve actually just dropped their own commentary team in favour of the standard stadium feed.

Fcuking amateurs

This is a fcuking joke i cannot believe this farce of a situation, they are actually using ITVs commentary, sooner RTE is gone the better

Dr_serious2

end of the road wrote: »

absolutely nothing controvertial about this. it's a huge event.





things playing to a fraction of the country is very much within rte's remit.





because the old studio's equipment was at end of life.
+ news has to be researched and then put together.





modern professional broadcast equipment does not come cheap.

You are cheerleader in chief for a wasteful, redundant
organisation.

Boggles

fritzelly wrote: »

You're as bad as boggles

Because someone disagrees with your opinion they are automatically "bad"? :rolleyes:

All you are doing is moaning, currently about a piece of furniture. Absolute typical small minded Irish whinger.

AndyBoBandy

VinLieger wrote: »

This is a fcuking joke i cannot believe this farce of a situation, they are actually using ITVs commentary, sooner RTE is gone the better

I think it’s the World Rugby Feed as that’s the BBC commentator.

(When you buy the rights to broadcast an international tournament like this, you don’t just get the live TV feed, you also get a commentary food. Most broadcasters won’t use the commentary feed as they will have their own commentary team in place)

But this is RTÉ, and it’s not like they don’t have experience of broadcasting alive tournament from Japan!!

Boggles

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

RTE is also a load of gash, the only difference being we have to pay for it.

No you don't.

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

If they get rid of RTE and 2fm and slash top presenters wages I will reconsider my position.

So if they got rid of RTE you would reconsider your position.

Again you can get rid of RTE yourself, it's not that hard and then you won't have to have a position.

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

It would also help if they stopped being a mouthpiece for the government and any other fad that happens to be in fashion this week.

Fidget Spinners?

AndyBoBandy

Ah we are back with the RTÉ commentary with about a 5 second delay.

Boggles

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Ah we are back with the RTÉ commentary with about a 5 second delay.

IT's fine here.

ShamNNspace

end of the road wrote: »

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

RTE is also a load of gash, the only difference being we have to pay for it.

There is no way RTE can look down its nose at Virgin or any other station- their schedule on RTE 2 is bottom of the barrel stuff and absolutely not serving a public service in any way. RTE 1 only slightly better.

If they get rid of RTE and 2fm and slash top presenters wages I will reconsider my position. It would also help if they stopped being a mouthpiece for the government and any other fad that happens to be in fashion this week.

yeah. it should absolutely become a mouthpiece that only tells part of the population what they want to hear and only gives information that aligns with their views. rather then the impartial fact based broadcaster it currently is . no thanks, turn over to sky news or somewhere else for that.

Oh I remember it well when we had to turn over to sky news to find out the Imf were in town while our lads were waiting for a pr statement to tell them what to say from the gombeen government of the day

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

RTÉ most valuable asset is the land it is on, purpose built or not it is probably holding them back more than anything.

It would be interesting to see how much they spend trying to retrofit the current space compare to what it would cost to build an up to date space outside the city centre in a larger location. If they sold the whole lot and built plus the budget they pump in each year to update I would expect you would see saving

Look at the likes of BOI/AIB etc who have all pulled city centre based locations and moved to new offices outside the city centre which gives them an up to date space

They ain’t doing it to cost them money

BOI and AIB have plenty of Dublin city centre offices. AIB took space on Molesworth Street in a brand new office beside The Ivy just this year.

The J Stands for Jay

Cash-strapped RTE flies advertising executives to Japan for World Cup game

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/cashstrapped-rte-flies-advertising-executives-to-japan-for-world-cup-game-38521267.html

Brilliant. There are some industries in which this type of behaviour is illegal.

Brendan Bendar

McGaggs wrote: »

Cash-strapped RTE flies advertising executives to Japan for World Cup game

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/cashstrapped-rte-flies-advertising-executives-to-japan-for-world-cup-game-38521267.html

Brilliant. There are some industries in which this type of behaviour is illegal.

Marian read out a ‘statement’ on this today.

And there’s The Dufficer always railing agains ‘statements’

“Whoooy do these people not come on ayer and not be hoiiding behind statements”


Let’s hope someone comes up with ‘Japan’ when he tosses out that shoooite again.

NIMAN

I would listen to Rte radio a fair bit during the day.

They really are going overboard with their adverts for the licence. It must be on nearly every ad break. And then there is the other Rte ads as well.

If Rte actually sold that advertising space to businesses willing to pay for it, they might not be in so much debt.

RabbleRouser2k

fritzelly wrote: »

1.4 million for a few lights, a sofa, a desk and a tv - its the news ffs not GoT

I was quite happy with Dobbo and Sharon behind the desk - far better than the yobbo's they have now

And was it just me-or did Catriona Perry and Keelin Shanley not get along?

Like, they were often not in the studio together, and have been on 'holiday' and maternity leave for months.

I'm wondering if they'll just replace them again-their 'fill-ins' are superior to the supposed full timers.