Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

ToBeFrank123

facehugger99 wrote: »

How in God's name has someone not lost their job over the absolute scandal that is the RTE Player?

I don't think I've ever encountered a piece of technology more frustrating to use.

Multiple crashes, with each one forcing you to sit through 2 minutes of ads (which never crash).

It's entirely unusable.

it's an absolute outrage that in 2019, the national broadcaster considers this application fit for public consumption.

If this was the UK, we'd have had a raft of resignations over this scandal.

But at least they covered the ploughing facehugger!

ToBeFrank123

end of the road wrote: »

as has already been explained, youtube and online stations are not viable and reliable for many due to the fact that internet to a sufficient standard is not available across the whole country.
as rte is a public service broadcaster, the majority are still listening to fm radio, and lyric meets the public service requirement, if it was to close then those listeners would be without a service, until such time as we have full scale coverage of absolutely reliable internet across the country.

1.9% of listeners who listen to Lyric.

Let's say 25% of those have poor access to the internet. That's a whopping 0.5% of total listeners in this country who aren't being catered to.

end of the road

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

1.9% of listeners who listen to Lyric.

Let's say 25% of those have poor access to the internet. That's a whopping 0.5% of total listeners in this country who aren't being catered to.

those listening to lyric are license fee payers as well. so the fact they are a small amount is irrelevant given the operator is a public service operator and the service meets the remit of public service broadcasting.

For Forks Sake

facehugger99 wrote: »

How in God's name has someone not lost their job over the absolute scandal that is the RTE Player?

I don't think I've ever encountered a piece of technology more frustrating to use.

Multiple crashes, with each one forcing you to sit through 2 minutes of ads (which never crash).

It's entirely unusable.

it's an absolute outrage that in 2019, the national broadcaster considers this application fit for public consumption.

If this was the UK, we'd have had a raft of resignations over this scandal.

It's garbage, gave up trying to watch the rugby on it earlier on.
Remarkably, AerTV.ie, which as far as I can determine are just rebroadcasting streams, managed to stay entirely stable for the entire match, and without RTEs crappy ads

ToBeFrank123

end of the road wrote: »

those listening to lyric are license fee payers as well. so the fact they are a small amount is irrelevant given the operator is a public service operator and the service meets the remit of public service broadcasting.

I'm a licence payer who wants to listen to rhythm & blues all day. Should I be catered for as well with a dedicated FM station?

You have to draw the line somewhere. And that's the problem with RTE, they have spread themselves far too thinly to the point that quality has dropped on their main channels, they can't afford to bid for some major sports events, their player is a joke, and they show repeats on TV over and over.

(I don't want to listen to rhythm and blues by the way, I'm just trying to illustrate a point).

end of the road

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I'm a licence payer who wants to listen to rhythm & blues all day. Should I be catered for as well with a dedicated FM station?

You have to draw the line somewhere. And that's the problem with RTE, they have spread themselves far too thinly to the point that quality has dropped on their main channels, they can't afford to bid for some major sports events, their player is a joke, and they show repeats on TV over and over.

(I don't want to listen to rhythm and blues by the way, I'm just trying to illustrate a point).

actually yes, proper rhythm and blues is a form of music rte should actually be catering to as well. it could be accommodated on lyric fm and people like marty could be sent off to rte gold which could and should replace 2fm on the transmission network of 90 to 92 fm.
minority broadcasting is exactly what rte should be doing.

ohnonotgmail

end of the road wrote: »

actually yes, proper rhythm and blues is a form of music rte should actually be catering to as well. it could be accommodated on lyric fm and people like marty could be sent off to rte gold which could and should replace 2fm on the transmission network of 90 to 92 fm.
minority broadcasting is exactly what rte should be doing.

Move Marty to a station that doesnt transmit on FM? not a hope.

vriesmays

When you start an online program and the 5 ads begin, if you minimise the web page the ads freeze until you continue watching.

fritzelly

vriesmays wrote: »

When you start an online program and the 5 ads begin, if you minimise the web page the ads freeze until you continue watching.

Even going to another tab they pause, crafty feckers
Can manage to code that but not a decent player

end of the road

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Move Marty to a station that doesnt transmit on FM? not a hope.

part of my suggestion mentions that it could and should broadcast on fm instead of 2fm.
in reality though i am aware that is unlikely to happen.

ToBeFrank123

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I've read letters to newspapers from people who say they like listening to Lyric or they like to fall asleep to it.

FFS, you can do this with thousands of classical songs on Youtube.

I get the feeling many Lyric listeners don't move with the times, and the internet is a foreign concept.

I don't think Lyric does anything different to several other stations online. If it was closed, most listeners would find alternatives easily enough. if they tried.

Then every station can be shut down, includeing RTÉ 1 as you can get everything through podcasts or youtube.

sligojoek

On the player:

I went to my local to watch the hurling All Ireland final. During a lull in the first half I decided to go out for a fag. Before I left the bar I said I'd fire up the RTE app and watch the game outside for a few minutes. By the time the ads were over I was halfway through my cigarette. By the time the match came on I was finished it. I then watched 30 seconds of what i'd seen already in the pub before I went out.

On Lyric FM:

I don't mind it. It's often a welcome break from people talking. I've no issues with classical or orchestral music. Keep that and other niche stuff too. Rock n Roll, blues, folk, Trad, upcoming acts etc. Call it something different.

dublinman1990

When people are having a debate about RTÉ radio; there are seemingly some challenges out there for them that do have to be met regardless of the infrastructure that is available for them. For people who cannot get a reliable internet signal from certain ISPs who cannot internet infrastructure; people living in Ireland who are left out of the loop for a decent internet in their area have to rely on FM radio as a default platform to get their radio content. But that challenge for RTÉ is quite tight to achieve in itself. As a broadcaster with limited funds; RTÉ may have to make some tweaks to their broadcasting remit on radio so that all parts of the country can receive most of the remaining services from it.

I could propose to save money on transmissions fees here to close down the channels of RTÉ Pulse & RTÉ 2XM by having them merged with 2FM. RTÉ can than decide to make up reduced schedules for these closed services on 2FM for a few hours for one or two days a week. For their TV services; the RTÉ News Now TV service ideally should be shut down on every platform all over the country with of it's news content outside of the main news bulletins & programmes broadcast live on RTÉ One remaining on the internet via the RTÉ News Now app or RTÉ Player. But their are some problems with that arising from a proposal like this one.

And that is lack of broadband in some parts of rural Ireland & the use of broadcasting tariffs from 2rn. 2rn has a problem in how it gives the broadcasters a tariff to broadcast it's services on Saorview. It uses a model that is charged on used/unused bandwidth that is designed from a charging system from Virgin Media Ireland. It's a very tough rigid system to use because if their is a scenario where if a service closes down transmission on Saorview. The broadcast tariff which is paid by them to 2rn can get an increase in the tariffs because of less services being offered on Saorview & Saorview Connect. So if RTÉ close the proposed services down to actually save money; it could be defined as a short term measure as the money used for closing the services in the first place down could effectively be wiped out for RTÉ by paying for increased tariffs to broadcast it's own services. That does effect other tariffs offered to other broadcasters like TG4, Virgin Media & Oireacthas TV. RTÉ also run services like Digital Aertel. I would say that can remain there along with RTÉ News Now until all types of people can get connected to fibre broadband in their homes via the NBP or can receive FTA Satellite via combi boxes/TVs or Freesat because EuroNews is broadcast via the dish on the 28.2 feed.

I also heard from an email on Thursday that the new RTÉ Player is now available on Saorview Connect.

I wonder how people are using that service via Saorview Connect. Do any of you have Saorview Connect boxes at home?

fritzelly

Brennan questioning whether his show is fit for purpose
https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/tv/4623240/rte-dermot-bannon-room-to-improve-responds-criticism/g a double negative

Should we stop doing the show but sure we saved people money on their heating as if that wouldn't happen anyway

Can you say faux pas

Boggles

fritzelly wrote: »

Should we stop doing the show but sure we saved people money on their heating as if that wouldn't happen anyway

Getting an existing dwelling up to A Rating doesn't just "happen anyway".

retalivity

RTE auctioning a few paintings so they can afford Tubridy's salary for next year

fritzelly

Begs the question why are they sitting on assets like this when they are broke
And "if" they get anywhere near the amount they think they will get it will still be gone in a second
Anything rather than reform of wages and wastage

Shefwedfan

retalivity wrote: »

RTE auctioning a few paintings so they can afford Tubridy's salary for next year

If these are in RTÉ then they are owned by the tax payer, should they not be donated to a public art gallary or something like that? Not sold off so those wasters can pay more wages to idiots

tototoe

The fact they have an art collection in the first place says it all tbh.

Shefwedfan

tototoe wrote: »

The fact they have an art collection in the first place says it all tbh.

I would expect it got donated to them over the years.....selling it to pay for a shower of wasters is bringing nothing to the tax payer

ShamNNspace

One would imagine rte would at least cover the events the Irish are involved in at the world athletics. I wouldn't mean to have a team in Doha but at least relay it from another channel

tayto lover

tototoe wrote: »

The fact they have an art collection in the first place says it all tbh.

Above their station.

See what I did there?

bigroad

Great to hear George Lee during the week scaring the Sh1t out of people with his weather coverage.What does he cost 200k a year or something.You would have to wonder what's going on in that oh so private media club of theirs funded by the public no less.

NIMAN

I seen the SOR radio show one morning on the telly, RTE News Now.

Every now and again it would show an angle where you could see the behind the scenes staff. I counted at least 3 producers. Is it really necessary to have 3 to do this job? What do they actually do?

Does each show have their own behind the scenes staff? For example, would those 3 I seen have been working on the Ryan Tubridy Show between 9 - 10am, and then stay on for the SOR Show? Or do a whole new crew of researchers and producers come in?

I also heard the end of Saturday Sport today, I think they read out 4 names of support staff.

Harry Palmr

Break down the jobs

Peron A telecoms - phone links/screening social media feedback/"off tape" material
Person B research - scanning archive material for segments, finding new info during show which relate to live discussion to illustrate or prove a point
Person C - the live broadcast itself, coordination of the various elements so everything runs to time, adverting breaks get played out correctly, news is counted in and so on.

end of the road

bigroad wrote: »

Great to hear George Lee during the week scaring the Sh1t out of people with his weather coverage.What does he cost 200k a year or something.You would have to wonder what's going on in that oh so private media club of theirs funded by the public no less.

better to inform people of the accurate information that was available, give weather warnings and be thankful that the bad weather avoids the country, rather then say nothing, the weather hits, and there are injuries and deaths.

fritzelly

end of the road wrote: »

better to inform people of the accurate information that was available, give weather warnings and be thankful that the bad weather avoids the country, rather then say nothing, the weather hits, and there are injuries and deaths.

He played it up big time even when ME were saying they didn't know how it would play out

bigroad

Met eireen are the people for that job they are the professionals in their field.
We don't need Lee putting his own spin on it.

end of the road

fritzelly wrote: »

He played it up big time even when ME were saying they didn't know how it would play out

he would have simply read the information that was given to him.
the only thing that matters is whether at the time, the information was accurate.

RabbleRouser2k

end of the road wrote: »

he would have simply read the information that was given to him.
the only thing that matters is whether at the time, the information was accurate.

RTE have taken to using 'buzzfeed' as an accurate source of information...

Buzzfeed... *sigh*

They were slathering at the mouth when allegations that 'this report proves Russian collusion' were leaked.... by Buzzfeed...

I seriously question their obvious bias, they're two steps away from 'we know this information to be accurate-my mate Dave told me it is'.

fritzelly

That and Twitter and Facebook
Even their news studio is faux studio with a fake back news studio in the background
You'd have to wonder how much they are paying people to research stories for them. Like the greyhound scandal that was already revealed years earlier

NIMAN

end of the road wrote: »

better to inform people of the accurate information that was available, give weather warnings and be thankful that the bad weather avoids the country, rather then say nothing, the weather hits, and there are injuries and deaths.

So you think its ok to over exaggerate?

RTe played Lorenzo terribly. They have caused a lot of damage in peoples minds, and their next warnings won't be heeded as much.

They were afraid to say they got it wrong. Even the day after they were still trying to defend the indefensible.

It would have been better had they admitted they got it wrong. We're all adults, we'd have forgiven them.

I just wonder how much this storm cost RTe to put on? They had a lot of hotel bills, meals, expenses to pay for for a few nights.

fritzelly

NIMAN wrote: »

So you think its ok to over exaggerate?

RTe played Lorenzo terribly. They have caused a lot of damage in peoples minds, and their next warnings won't be heeded as much.

Let's hope we don't have a bit of snow this winter - they could bankrupt the country covering it

NIMAN

It was worrying coverage for me, a sign of things to come no doubt.

They are going to go full 'Daily Mail' everytime there is a storm approaching now for the next 5 months.

There was torrential rain this evening when I was on my commute, torrential. Roads were extremely wet, lot of surface water and dangerous conditions. It had been raining for a couple of hours, yet no warning. Far far worse than what I saw during Lorenzo.

end of the road

NIMAN wrote: »

So you think its ok to over exaggerate?

RTe played Lorenzo terribly. They have caused a lot of damage in peoples minds, and their next warnings won't be heeded as much.

They were afraid to say they got it wrong. Even the day after they were still trying to defend the indefensible.

It would have been better had they admitted they got it wrong. We're all adults, we'd have forgiven them.

I just wonder how much this storm cost RTe to put on? They had a lot of hotel bills, meals, expenses to pay for for a few nights.

they wouldn't have known that they were wrong until the time the warning ended. they could only go on the information they had.
if people don't heed future weather warnings then i am afraid that is their own tough luck and they cannot blame anyone else if those warnings turn out to prove correct.
at the end of the day, plenty of media were reporting the same information, that a warning was in place and that a storm was expected to hit certain areas of the country. thankfully it wasn't anything near what was originally feared but at least many of us would have been prepared had it hit, and it was correct that such information when available was reported.
i see nothing here to be outraged about.

Plumbthedepths

As for the weather warnings, I can only think of a story from my youth 'The boy who cried Wolf'.

Boggles

Jesus, blaming RTE for the weather.

We have hit a new level of moan.

Padraig Mor

end of the road wrote: »

they wouldn't have known that they were wrong until the time the warning ended. they could only go on the information they had.
if people don't heed future weather warnings then i am afraid that is their own tough luck and they cannot blame anyone else if those warnings turn out to prove correct.
at the end of the day, plenty of media were reporting the same information, that a warning was in place and that a storm was expected to hit certain areas of the country. thankfully it wasn't anything near what was originally feared but at least many of us would have been prepared had it hit, and it was correct that such information when available was reported.
i see nothing here to be outraged about.

What are you talking about man?! The point people are making - which you seem unable to grasp - is that George Lee didn't simply report the actual facts (as supplied by Met Eireann), but also added a huge 'OMG it's a deadly hurricane' spin that was unnecessary and inaccurate - something which was well known even then.

Discodog

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, blaming RTE for the weather.

We have hit a new level of moan.

No. RTE ignored the actual forecasts & ran with the tabloid, sensationalist story. Forecasters were showing the storm degrading as George Lee was ramping it up & scaring people with the result that businesses lost a lot of trade.

Ulysses Gaze

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, blaming RTE for the weather.

We have hit a new level of moan.

Blaming RTE for their apocalyptic coverage of the weather. Not the weather itself.

FFS...

The J Stands for Jay

Discodog wrote: »

No. RTE ignored the actual forecasts & ran with the tabloid, sensationalist story. Forecasters were showing the storm degrading as George Lee was ramping it up & scaring people with the result that businesses lost a lot of trade.

Weren't Brennan's and avanmore's sales up though?

Discodog

McGaggs wrote: »

Weren't Brennan's and avanmore's sales up though?

Maybe But most businesses were hit. The roads around Galway were really quiet.

The worry is that, when a really dangerous storm comes along, no one will believe RTE. Manion & Lee have fallen into the classic US pattern of making weather dramatic news rather than focusing on the facts.

Atlantic Dawn

I wonder was there a political nod to encourage the bad weather spin to dumb us down for the carbon budget on Tuesday.

Boggles

Padraig Mor wrote: »

What are you talking about man?! The point people are making - which you seem unable to grasp - is that George Lee didn't simply report the actual facts (as supplied by Met Eireann), but also added a huge 'OMG it's a deadly hurricane' spin that was unnecessary and inaccurate - something which was well known even then.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Blaming RTE for their apocalyptic coverage of the weather. Not the weather itself.

FFS...

Par Exemple?

end of the road

Padraig Mor wrote: »

What are you talking about man?! The point people are making - which you seem unable to grasp - is that George Lee didn't simply report the actual facts (as supplied by Met Eireann), but also added a huge 'OMG it's a deadly hurricane' spin that was unnecessary and inaccurate - something which was well known even then.

accept that isn't what happened.
he reported the same as all other media were reporting.

Discodog

end of the road wrote: »

accept that isn't what happened.
he reported the same as all other media were reporting.

"Storm Lorenzo will bring high winds and heavy rainfall likely to cause flooding, power outages, fallen trees and damage to property when it arrives in Ireland."

"This thing is huge etc etc"

No mention of it filling, winds dropping dramatically etc.

https://www.rte.ie/news/weather/2019/1002/1079557-storm-lorenzo/

RTE shouldn't copy the tabloids who have a sensationalist weather story every week,

end of the road

Discodog wrote: »

"Storm Lorenzo will bring high winds and heavy rainfall likely to cause flooding, power outages, fallen trees and damage to property when it arrives in Ireland."

"This thing is huge etc etc"

No mention of it filling, winds dropping dramatically etc.

https://www.rte.ie/news/weather/2019/1002/1079557-storm-lorenzo/

RTE shouldn't copy the tabloids who have a sensationalist weather story every week,

any other media i heard and read were reporting the same thing, that high winds and heavy rain were expected, and there were the possibility of powercuts.

Discodog

end of the road wrote: »

any other media i heard and read were reporting the same thing, that high winds and heavy rain were expected, and there were the possibility of powercuts.

RTE aren't any other media. We should be able to trust their output.

Boggles

Discodog wrote: »

RTE aren't any other media. We should be able to trust their output.

Yip, RTE should be able to tell us the future.

:rolleyes:

Discodog

Boggles wrote: »

Yip, RTE should be able to tell us the future.

:rolleyes:

Met Eirann told the truth. The Weather forum here told the truth.

RTE took the truth & added a big lump of drama.

If RTE can't tell the future then they shouldn't be bigging up the drama.