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retalivity

NIMAN wrote: »

I'd agree, but the light stuff is easily done.
It shouldn't require a massive wage the likes of D'arcy and Duffy are getting.

D'arcy can no longer do light, dark, heavy or political stuff.

He'd kick your ass at pushups though

Boggles

NIMAN wrote: »

I'd agree, but the light stuff is easily done.
It shouldn't require a massive wage the likes of D'arcy and Duffy are getting.

Again though when Ray was on Today Fm he was universally liked, since taking a wage off the state it is like he invented child cancer.

Same with Pat, absolutely lampooned on RTE "The Plank", Irelands greatest journalist since he left.

Do you like anyone on RTE?

NIMAN

Boggles wrote: »

Again though when Ray was on Today Fm he was universally liked, since taking a wage off the state it is like he invented child cancer.

Same with Pat, absolutely lampooned on RTE "The Plank", Irelands greatest journalist since he left.

Do you like anyone on RTE?

I like lots of stuff on RTE.
Just not people stealing a living from a bankrupt broadcaster.

Boggles

NIMAN wrote: »

I like lots of stuff on RTE.

What or who specifically?

NIMAN

Boggles wrote: »

What or who specifically?

Off the top of my head:

A lot of stuff on RTE Radio 1. Morning Ireland, Doc On One etc. I listen quite a lot to it.
John Creedon Show
RTE TV news
RTE's investigations and documentaries
Some of their drama....latest one being Dublin Murders.
When they cover sport, they tend to do it very well.
Prime Time

Elmo

NIMAN wrote: »

Off the top of my head:

Some of their drama....latest one being Dublin Murders.

Dublin Murders is a BBC production, RTÉ funded very little of the series.

RTÉ have very little Drama output of their own. This year they have had one co-production in The Resistance, one home produced comedy Bridget and Eamon, a BBC drama (Dublin Murders) and The Young Offenders, not sure how much of it they funded.

Interestingly 2018 had more drama (including co-pros and FDI). I wonder what their Head of Drama does.

AndyBoBandy

Elmo wrote: »

I wonder what their Head of Drama does.

1. Gets paid a lot.
2. Hopes to fcuk that very few people notice that Dublin Murders is BBC produced, so can take credit for it.

Boggles

Elmo wrote: »

Dublin Murders is a BBC production, RTÉ funded very little of the series.

How do you know?

Elmo

Boggles wrote: »

How do you know?

It was announced by the BBC in 2017. It airs first on the BBC and the following night on RTÉ. I wouldn't be surprised if RTÉ just a paid a broadcast fee much like any other import.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2017/the-dublin-murders
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/dublin-murders

AndyBoBandy

Elmo wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if RTÉ just a paid a broadcast fee much like any other import.

and got their name/logo in the credits because they supplied the catering vans for the sets in Dublin, with none other than himself below running the vans and creating the menu;

Boggles

Elmo wrote: »

It was announced by the BBC in 2017. It airs first on the BBC and the following night on RTÉ. I wouldn't be surprised if RTÉ just a paid a broadcast fee much like any other import.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2017/the-dublin-murders
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/dublin-murders

Oh right I thought you actually knew.

I imagined they joined the production because it was produced in Ireland.

Either way they should be done far more collaborations like this.

Elmo

Boggles wrote: »

Oh right I thought you actually knew.

I imagined they joined the production because it was produced in Ireland.

Either way they should be done far more collaborations like this.

As I said:-
Interestingly 2018 had more drama (including co-pros and FDI). I wonder what their Head of Drama does.

And fair dues to them in 2018 for being able to provide one drama/comedy a week between Jan and June 2018.

Same can't be said of 2019. RTÉ should be insuring that the seek to not only collaboration but also some of their own dramas in case that collaboration isn't available.

There will be times when FDIs and Co-pros won't happen. If the BBC had not developed Dublin Murders it wouldn't have been produced, RTÉ should be developing dramas and looking for that Co-pro opportunity, and in some case in the event that FDI or Co-pro aren't there try to continue it themselves.

Otherwise they should defiantly continue to spend 25m on Imported programming.

glenfieldman

SPDUB wrote: »

What a load of bollocks

You don't ring up Liveline if you don't want to talk about it .

What about when the caller mentions “ when your researcher called me “

end of the road

glenfieldman wrote: »

What about when the caller mentions “ when your researcher called me “

the individual called by the researcher would still have to agree to go on the program.
if they are agreeing to go on the program then i would imagine they are happy to talk, otherwise they have an absolute right to refuse to go on the program.

ToBeFrank123

Also consider the long list of broadcasting talent let through their hands by RTE who were able to make it big in the UK. RTE were unable to use this talent to the best of their abilities

Terry Wogan
Graham Norton
Dara O'Briain
Dermot Morgan
Sharon Horgan
Aisling Bea
Chris O'Dowd

They only recruited some of these back after they made it big abroad.

eg Sharon Horgan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Horgan

Sharon Lorencia Horgan (born 13 July 1970)[1] is an Anglo-Irish actress, writer, comedian and producer. In 2004, after a rapid rise in London as a comedy writer and actress, Irish TV channel RTE rejected the idea of her comedy entertainment series The Sharon Horgan Show which would be driven by interviews, sketches and stand up guests.

There are others too like Baz Ashmawy.

Despite many of these comic talents, RTE have still failed utterly to come up with even one decent sitcom and instead have come up with unfunny after unfunny comedies that fail to raise even a single laugh.

All these mostly young talents were turned away by RTE or not even considered, so RTE could keep pensioner presenters in jobs.

No wonder many young people have stopped tuning into RTE.

James Brown

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Also consider the long list of broadcasting talent let through their hands by RTE who were able to make it big in the UK. RTE were unable to use this talent to the best of their abilities

Terry Wogan
Graham Norton
Dara O'Brian
Dermot Morgan
Sharon Horgan
Aisling Bea
Chris O'Dowd

They only recruited some of these back after they made it big abroad.

eg Sharon Horgan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Horgan



There are others too like Liz Bonin and Baz Ashmawy.

Despite many of these comic talents, RTE have still failed utterly to come up with even one decent sitcom.

All these mostly young talents were turned away by RTE or not even considered, so they could keep their pensioner presenters in jobs.

No wonder many young people have stopped watching RTE.

Hold it now, Baz made his name by appearing on RTE. While he seems to have a level of reality stardom, his appeal is beyond my comprehension.
Liz Bonin 'won' an RTE talent show/competition looking for a presenter. It was rigged. So they had her. She's decent but hardly up there with Norton or the like.

Yep, RTE need their hands on, in and around everything. That's why their output is generally sub-par.

ToBeFrank123

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Hold it now, Baz made his name be appearing on RTE. While he seems to have a level reality stardom, his appeal is beyond my comprehension.
Liz Bonin 'won' an RTE talent show/competition looking for a presenter. It was rigged. So they had her. She's decent but hardly up there with Norton or the like.

You can pick and choose. What about Wogan, Norton, Morgan, Horgan...no room in RTE long term for them?

These people work wonders in the right environment, but RTE is not the right environment.

Unless they are friends with or related to someone in RTE, they are shown the door.

ToBeFrank123

Laura Whitmore, Craig Doyle, Donal McIntyre, Fergal Keane, all good enough for the UK, couldn't get a look in at RTE.

Just a really badly run institution which deserves no more cash until they genuinely get their house in order.

James Brown

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

You can pick and choose. What about Wogan, Norton, Morgan, Horgan...no room in RTE long term for them?

These people work wonders in the right environment, but RTE is not the right environment.

Unless they are friends with or related to someone in RTE, they are shown the door.

Yep.
I think Lottie Ryan is the poster girl for this.
She got a few spots on daytime TV, she got her own show created for her. She wasn't any use on TV so they put her on radio. She's no use there either.
But they'll keep her in a job for life.

James Brown

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Laura Whitmore, Craig Doyle, Donal McIntyre, Fergal Keane, all good enough for the UK, couldn't get a look in at RTE.

Just a really badly run institution which deserves no more cash until they genuinely get their house in order.

Whitmore won an MTV competition to be a presenter straight out of college. I'd say all work after that being UK based was more organic.

ToBeFrank123

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Yep.
I think Lottie Ryan is the poster girl for this.
She got a few spots on daytime TV, she got her own show created for her. She wasn't any use on TV so they put her on radio. She's no use there either.
But they'll keep her in a job for life.

Agreed, because fundamentally RTE is not based on talent or merit but on who you know.

TheBlock

Elmo wrote: »

As I said:-
Interestingly 2018 had more drama (including co-pros and FDI). I wonder what their Head of Drama does.

And fair dues to them in 2018 for being able to provide one drama/comedy a week between Jan and June 2018.

Same can't be said of 2019. RTÉ should be insuring that the seek to not only collaboration but also some of their own dramas in case that collaboration isn't available.

There will be times when FDIs and Co-pros won't happen. If the BBC had not developed Dublin Murders it wouldn't have been produced, RTÉ should be developing dramas and looking for that Co-pro opportunity, and in some case in the event that FDI or Co-pro aren't there try to continue it themselves.

Otherwise they should defiantly continue to spend 25m on Imported programming.

In any Given year RTÉ develop multiple Dramas and Comedies to various scritp stages. They then have to decide if any are good enough to comission. They ofetn aren't and are better dropped than produced as there would be uproar if some of the ****e got on screen.

Head of Drama left in 2018 and replacement is only up and running with their own slate of developments.

Boggles

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Laura Whitmore, Craig Doyle, Donal McIntyre, Fergal Keane, all good enough for the UK, couldn't get a look in at RTE.

Just a really badly run institution which deserves no more cash until they genuinely get their house in order.

Whitmore won a competition. She isn't on tv anymore AFAIK.

Doyle was given a chat show and several other shows on RTE.

McIntyre can't get on telly anymore because his shows were a load of expensive nonsense.

Keane started on RTE and was head hunted by the BBC.

Elmo

TheBlock wrote: »

In any Given year RTÉ develop multiple Dramas and Comedies to various scritp stages. They then have to decide if any are good enough to comission. They ofetn aren't and are better dropped than produced as there would be uproar if some of the ****e got on screen.

Head of Drama left in 2018 and replacement is only up and running with their own slate of developments.

Oh good to know. Finding Joy got the go ahead, and others didn't! We are basically talking 2 to 3 a year getting produced out of how many exactly? This year it looks like only one from the Drama Departments slate.

Her replacement seemed to come in a few months before she left. If its the same person I am thinking of.

Boggles

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Also consider the long list of broadcasting talent let through their hands by RTE who were able to make it big in the UK. RTE were unable to use this talent to the best of their abilities

Dermot Morgan

Scrap Saturday is the best work Morgan did. He spent the bulk of his career at RTE, did 3 seasons of Father Ted and died.

James Brown

I know a chap was in talks with RTE to have a show made. They wanted to put in one of their own starlets, (use it as a vehicle) he refused, it got knocked back. I wonder how often this happens, that something gets knocked back and maybe not based on merit?

ToBeFrank123

end of the road wrote: »

the first 2 on that list aren't exactly anything to shout about to be fair.
Donal McIntyre is certainly a decent crime journalist and documentary presenter i would agree.
however you are assuming that all of the individuals you have named would have liked to work for rte. they may have wanted to simply go to the uk from the start where their opportunities would be much greater. they will always have lesser opportunities in ireland. some of them would certainly be a lost opportunity for rte but even then who is to say they would have stayed there long term anyway.

Most would have been delighted to get a start with RTE. Sharon Horgan tried and was rejected despite already having a pretty good CV.

You have to admit RTE's comedy output has been dire in recent years, and probably their best regular comedic talent was Dermot Morgan until he was kicked out for being too irreverent, the type of irreverence that made him a huge success on Fr. Ted.

RTE are brilliant at producing comedies that may have seemed brilliant to them on paper but ended up poor in execution. And they stick the same actors and actresses in each one, with the same results.

ToBeFrank123

Boggles wrote: »

Scrap Saturday is the best work Morgan did. He spent the bulk of his career at RTE, did 3 seasons of Father Ted and died.

A comic genius kicked out of RTE would summarize him better.

James Brown

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

A comic genius kicked out of RTE would summarize him better.

TBF, he was knocking around for years with sub-par sketch comedy. Father Ted was an anomaly. He was talented but needed the right writers.

ToBeFrank123

Matt Barrett wrote: »

TBF, he was knocking around for years with sub-par sketch comedy. Father Ted was an anomaly. He was talented but needed the right writers.

Of course he needed the right writers, problem is RTE couldn't match him with them, despite many comic writers available.

Boggles

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

A comic genius kicked out of RTE would summarize him better.

He really wasn't.

He is being called a genius largely because he died at 45.

His best work was Scrap Saturday and even some of that was fair poor.

A couple of the sketches are top 10 funniest things I have ever heard though.

ToBeFrank123

Boggles wrote: »

He really wasn't.

He is being called a genius largely because he died at 45.

His best work was Scrap Saturday and even some of that was fair poor.

A couple of the sketches are top 10 funniest things I have ever heard though.

Here we go. RTE defender running down Morgan who is widely accepted as a comic genius while at the same time plays up current RTE presenters.

What relation are you to RTE? Come clean. You've been defending their mediocrity for a while now.

vriesmays

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Here we go. RTE defender running down Morgan who is widely accepted as a comic genius while at the same time plays up current RTE presenters.

Buster Keaton was a comic genius. Morgan had 1% of his talent.

Boggles

John Cleese was / is a genius.

Morgan had a few snippets of genius, the rest was sub par.

_Kaiser_

Another day, more amateurish presentation..

Flip on to RTE News Now there - "BOIL WATER NOTICED ISSUED. Boil water notice issed...."

Looks like all that money RTE get from us/the State/advertising doesn't include spend on a spell-checker :rolleyes:

RabbleRouser2k

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Most would have been delighted to get a start with RTE. Sharon Horgan tried and was rejected despite already having a pretty good CV.

RTE are brilliant at producing comedies that may have seemed brilliant to them on paper but ended up poor in execution. And they stick the same actors and actresses in each one, with the same results.

I remember Horgan got a part on The Unbelievable Truth... she played this obvious parody of the kind of 'entertainment' presenter who's more clueless than a dead squid.

The problem was...TUB was a pale imitation of Brass Eye. Most it gets remembered for was the BAI receiving complaints over one sketch.

Boggles wrote: »

Whitmore won a competition. She isn't on tv anymore AFAIK.

Doyle was given a chat show and several other shows on RTE.

She was TERRIBLE on tv-there's a reason she can't get a job. She was pretty much known for dating 'yer man from the Coronas' and less about her presenting skills. MTV just needed a continuity announcer-and that's all Whitmore was.
But the usual MTV methodology kicked in-once the presenter goes over 5, they're dropped. And Whitmore was pushing it.
(A very bad effort presenting the IFTA's pretty much killed her presenting career).

Doyle is still working with RTE-he does the narration for That Brennan brother's show (don't know the name, don't care). 'RTE's Secret Producer' tweeted about that- the many, many, many opportunities Doyle was given were all pointless. As Craig himself admitted, 'The Craig Doyle show was sh**e'.
The UK channels got tired of him, so they tried selling him over here...

James Brown

Sean Hughes was excellent. Good on 'Never Mind the Buzzcocks' and I really liked 'Sean's show'. He didn't do much with RTE that I can recall.

RabbleRouser2k

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Sean Hughes was excellent. Good on 'Never Mind the Buzzcocks' and I really liked 'Sean's show'. He didn't do much with RTE that I can recall.

He did a revamp of 'The Signal Box', assuming David Kelly's role from the 60's iteration. (David Kelly returned, assuming Jimmy O'Dea's role as the mentor, where Kelly had played the Hughes' role, in the previous iteration).
It was a very, very odd series of shorts-I don't think it's even archived.
Not even on youtube.

Hughes also presented some comedy show, where he'd interview comedians, while introducing sketch comedians. (Was it Liffey Laughs?)

The very, very sad thing about Hughes... is he peaked, very early in his career too. (Probably didn't help his drinking-which eventually took his life).
He never quite reached the levels he had at the beginning-even 'The Sean Show' wasn't as well regarded as he probably would have liked. And he wasn't too fond of being remembered just for 'Never Mind the Buzzcocks'.

skimpydoo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Whitmore won an MTV competition to be a presenter straight out of college. I'd say all work after that being UK based was more organic.

When Whitmore won the MTV competition was working as a researcher for Sean Moncrieffs Newstalk radio show.

James Brown

skimpydoo wrote: »

When Whitmore won the MTV competition was working as a researcher for Sean Moncrieffs Newstalk radio show.

Fair enough, can't have been long after college. She wasn't knocking around for years looking for a start in RTE anyway.

EDIT: She got the MTV gig a year and a half after college, (just looked up wiki).

Elmo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Fair enough, can't have been long after college. She wasn't knocking around for years looking for a start in RTE anyway.

EDIT: She got the MTV gig a year and a half after college, (just looked up wiki).

Whitmore has hosted the extra I'm A Celeb for 5 years in fairness, its a big pool of people, in the UK.

Craig Doyle is currently presenting rugby on ITV, RTÉ saw him as an entertainment host.

Most of the people above have their 15mins of fame like many presenters on English TV, there are very few Graham Nortons, regardless of nationality.

As for Dermot Morgan, yes comedians need writers and collaborators. Something your probably not going to get in RTÉ.

Atlantic Dawn

Seemed to be some beeping noise in the studio on the 9pm news tonight, went through the entire broadcast.

Elmo

TheBlock wrote: »

In any Given year RTÉ develop multiple Dramas and Comedies to various scritp stages. They then have to decide if any are good enough to comission. They ofetn aren't and are better dropped than produced as there would be uproar if some of the ****e got on screen.

Head of Drama left in 2018 and replacement is only up and running with their own slate of developments.

He'd still have shows from his predecessor. And having looked it up he joined in Aug 2018 and she at the end of 2018. And she continued with many of the shows her predecessor had commissioned long into her time in RTÉ. What have they been doing for a year. What is his slate looking like in 2020, because I am still only counting one RTÉ drama and that had been slated back in 2017.

The J Stands for Jay

Boggles wrote: »

Again though when Ray was on Today Fm he was universally liked, since taking a wage off the state it is like he invented child cancer.

Ray's popularity had been falling well before he left today FM. I'd heard loads of people talking about how he'd changed for the worse as he'd aged, and wouldn't shut up about Jenny and then his kids.

RabbleRouser2k

McGaggs wrote: »

Ray's popularity had been falling well before he left today FM. I'd heard loads of people talking about how he'd changed for the worse as he'd aged, and wouldn't shut up about Jenny and then his kids.

Yeah, he'd develloped a major ego while at Today FM. There were incidents where he just decided to go off on one, and act like he was entitled to do so.
He used to be genuinely talented. But that ship sailed a long time ago.

Shame.

RTE kind of know they have another Craig Doyle on their hands... hence cutting his show short and replacing him with Tommy Tiernan.

NIMAN

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Yeah, he'd develloped a major ego while at Today FM. There were incidents where he just decided to go off on one, and act like he was entitled to do so.
He used to be genuinely talented. But that ship sailed a long time ago.

Shame.

RTE kind of know they have another Craig Doyle on their hands... hence cutting his show short and replacing him with Tommy Tiernan.

But will they ever have the nerve to dump him? Doubt it.
Are they getting any value out of their 500k investment each year?

Boggles

McGaggs wrote: »

Ray's popularity had been falling well before he left today FM. I'd heard loads of people talking about how he'd changed for the worse as he'd aged, and wouldn't shut up about Jenny and then his kids.

Well you can't argue with that science. :pac:

He had the most popular show on Today Fm at the time, he was head hunted for a reason. The show's that replaced him haven't got near his figures.

The point remains he was way more liked when he wasn't getting paid by RTE.

I imagine his contract is up for renewal soon, will be interesting to see what happens if Tiernan takes his Saturday slot permanently.

Elmo

Boggles wrote: »

He had the most popular show on Today Fm at the time, he was head hunted for a reason. The show's that replaced him haven't got near his figures.

The point remains he was way more liked when he wasn't getting paid by RTE.
.

Doesn't seem to have had any effect on Pat Kenny leaving RTÉ nor on any effect on the other top 10 presenters at RTÉ. Maybe his TV show just isn't that good.

ToBeFrank123

Elmo wrote: »

Doesn't seem to have had any effect on Pat Kenny leaving RTÉ nor on any effect on the other top 10 presenters at RTÉ. Maybe his TV show just isn't that good.

They are all mediocre and interchangeable. Only Kenny and Gay Byrne have been stand outs for RTE, Byrne was able to do most things and Kenny was good at politics and current affairs.

The RTE top brass lay way too much store by presenters supposed talent. Its often whose behind the camera or in the production box who is more important, as they decide what is produced and how its produced.

As for Ray D'Arcy's TV show, its just a clone of The LLS. Same guests, same questions, same everything. At least Tiernan brings a fresh approach and doesn't bother with scripted questions. Gay Byrne was similar to this, he was able to throw out the script and follow the story. It probably helped that he also produced the LLS. Tubridy and D'Arcy have a set of questions they are going to ask come what may and nothing is going to stop them.

Boggles

O’Rourke has built up a higher audience than Kenny when he was at RTE.