What is the best jeep to buy?

Mooooo

When was the last years of models with no dpf etc? Was it 2010? Will have to get a jeep of some sort here next year as well but a lot of short journeys wouldn't suit a modern diesel. Coop , out farm all under 30 minutes away

Turbohymac

Sorry grueller.but yes the dmax has certainly been a big improvement from its former isuzu.trooper bad engines..as for Ford ranger it's no where near a Toyota and drinks fuel like a transit.. hopefully the ranger doesn't give as much trouble with engines as the modern transit..people have set up businesses on supplying engines for those ..anyhow my hard earned money would still be toyota.. but someone will still have something positive to say even for a lada jeep which is still being sold in mainland Europe..so will we keep comparing chalk and cheese.. also I bet someone will have horror stories about toyota..but if services well there top of the class

TITANIUM.

Grueller wrote: »

Unfair comment really. For the last decade the ranger and the dmax are at least a match for the hilux.

I can't comment on the Dmax but the ranger is miles behind imo. Have driven plenty of Rangers so I do know um. Hilux is hard to look past if your buying a pick up despite the new ranger being the nicest looking of the bounce.

kevthegaff

Nekarsulm wrote:

I have a 96 lwb trooper, and so far its been really reliable. Chassis is still sound even if the dents and scrapes have taken to "look" off it. Neighbour has an 06 swb landcruiser, and the chassis has just been condemned in it. The axle location arm has tore loose from the chassis and let the axle move back. Talking to the test centre lads, this is far from uncommon. If I were buying new or nearly new, I probably go for a D-Max and get the chassis properly cleaned and waxoyled.

98 trooper here, bullet proof but need a pickup for the kids, animal on the hills also

whelan2

kevthegaff wrote: »

98 trooper here, bullet proof but need a pickup for the kids, animal on the hills also

We had a 96 trooper, was a great yolk but the shafts for the 4wd went a good few times and were hard to get

Say my name

Mooooo wrote: »

When was the last years of models with no dpf etc? Was it 2010? Will have to get a jeep of some sort here next year as well but a lot of short journeys wouldn't suit a modern diesel. Coop , out farm all under 30 minutes away

You're going to buy this new Jimny coming out next year.
Aren't ya. :pac:

Grueller

Turbohymac wrote: »

Sorry grueller.but yes the dmax has certainly been a big improvement from its former isuzu.trooper bad engines..as for Ford ranger it's no where near a Toyota and drinks fuel like a transit.. hopefully the ranger doesn't give as much trouble with engines as the modern transit..people have set up businesses on supplying engines for those ..anyhow my hard earned money would still be toyota.. but someone will still have something positive to say even for a lada jeep which is still being sold in mainland Europe..so will we keep comparing chalk and cheese.. also I bet someone will have horror stories about toyota..but if services well there top of the class

I know of more 06 on hilux that gave huge problems than the trouble free ones.
Isuzu only made one bad engine and have never heard the end of it. It wasn't a lot worse either than the toyota d4d with the injector trouble in terms of reliability.
Maybe our criteria are different but reliability is absolute number 1.

Jimmy.

Ironic Isuzu never made that engine it was a CAT design. Oil pressure to operate injectors crazy.

Nekarsulm

Jimmy. wrote: »

Ironic Isuzu never made that engine it was a CAT design. Oil pressure to operate injectors crazy.

The problem was two fold.
Cat designed the engine, and insisted on oil changes every 6000 miles.
The marketing dept. at Isuzu ignored this and recommended oil changes at 12,000 miles because that was what Toyota had for the Landcruiser.

Then when the warrenty was up, lads doing their own servicing didn't use fully synthetic oil.
Throwing in a sup of AgriCastrol MP dosent work with those 3.0 engines.

You also needed specialist software diagnostics (tech2) to set them up right, which most garages didn't have and most places wouldnt touch tbem as a result.

leoch

Sorry for going of thread a bit but im getting the landcruiser serviced soon wats the do s and donts someone said make sure they drop the sump when changing engine oil and clean properly....anything else i should know

Loves_lorries

I drive a ten year old landcruiser but if funds met the purchase, I'd go for the jeep grand cherokee next time, they have improved no end and in my opinion, look the business.

Beit Ford ranger or Toyota hilux or nisann navara, I've test drove them all and in my mind, none of the pick ups are comfortable.

selectamatic

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Beit Ford ranger or Toyota hilux or nisann navara, I've test drove them all and in my mind, none of the pick ups are comfortable.

I was in a top spec v6 tdi dsg vw amarak recently and it was plenty comfortable.

That said I don't think most could justify the price.

wrangler

selectamatic wrote: »

I was in a top spec v6 tdi dsg vw amarak recently and it was plenty comfortable.

That said I don't think most could justify the price.

It must be close on €50000 + at this stage nearly like a car.
On saying that I find my hilux comfortable, just after getting rid of a RAV4 and the hilux is more comfy that that yoke was

Loves_lorries

selectamatic wrote: »

I was in a top spec v6 tdi dsg vw amarak recently and it was plenty comfortable.

That said I don't think most could justify the price.

Don't rate vw.

selectamatic

wrangler wrote: »

It must be close on €50000 + at this stage nearly like a car.

Ya they're big money and most likely guaranteed to depreciate like a stone.

Jimmy.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

The problem was two fold.
Cat designed the engine, and insisted on oil changes every 6000 miles.
The marketing dept. at Isuzu ignored this and recommended oil changes at 12,000 miles because that was what Toyota had for the Landcruiser.

Then when the warrenty was up, lads doing their own servicing didn't use fully synthetic oil.
Throwing in a sup of AgriCastrol MP dosent work with those 3.0 engines.

You also needed specialist software diagnostics (tech2) to set them up right, which most garages didn't have and most places wouldnt touch tbem as a result.

Two oil filters, the injector and sleeve set up in them were a bad design too. Never forget Harris Isuzu with hundreds upon hundreds of Troopers taken in as part of the D max scrappage all set for the scrapper.

Nekarsulm

Jimmy. wrote: »

Two oil filters, the injector and sleeve set up in them were a bad design too. Never forget Harris Isuzu with hundreds upon hundreds of Troopers taken in as part of the D max scrappage all set for the scrapper.

You had to be on friendly terms with your Isuzu dealer ( and have the 12 or 15k handy) to get in on that scrappage/swop scheme.

By the time you'd shelled out 1500 euro for a replacement turbo and the necessary injector and sleeve seal changes ( some times twice) not everyone was on talking terms with their dealer!

They were great when they were going, 160 hp(30hp more than the older 3.1's) and easier on diesel.

highdef

Renegade, Compass, Wrangler, Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are all the available Jeep models I know of, correct me if I'm wrong. Personally I would not be a fan of any of them, no offence.

sonnybill

Are the d max heavier on juice than say a swb land cruiser ?

Loves_lorries

highdef wrote: »

Renegade, Compass, Wrangler, Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are all the available Jeep models I know of, correct me if I'm wrong. Personally I would not be a fan of any of them, no offence.

Fiat engine since 2011.

Muckit

selectamatic wrote: »

I was in a top spec v6 tdi dsg vw amarak recently and it was plenty comfortable.

That said I don't think most could justify the price.

https://youtu.be/vXjnNDBmsPg

I seen an english reg one of these lately parked up outside a local hotel. I apologise to the owner for the drool marks l left down the side of it. Herself wrenched me away from it!! "See the 2 child seats in the back!!" I protested. (Which there was). As if that justified getting one!!

If l win the lotto....!

Mooooo

Any value across the pond? Vrt for commercial is 200 isn't it?

9935452

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Jimmy. wrote: »

Two oil filters, the injector and sleeve set up in them were a bad design too. Never forget Harris Isuzu with hundreds upon hundreds of Troopers taken in as part of the D max scrappage all set for the scrapper.

You had to be on friendly terms with your Isuzu dealer ( and have the 12 or 15k handy) to get in on that scrappage/swop scheme.

By the time you'd shelled out 1500 euro for a replacement turbo and the necessary injector and sleeve seal changes ( some times twice) not everyone was on talking terms with their dealer!

They were great when they were going, 160 hp(30hp more than the older 3.1's) and easier on diesel.

The scrappage scheme wasnt hard to get. There were lads pulling 3.0s out of ditches not running to scrap them as isuzu never specified they had to be running or road worthy.
Down around us the minimum value of one became a grand regardless of condition for scrappage.
Afaik isuzu stook by those engines.
I know lads who had engines replaced after the injectors failed and the engine killed itself. Also know lads who had injectors replaced free a couple of times under the recall.
All that said we might have better isuzu dealers down our neck of the woods.

Turbohymac

Thought this thread was started to ascertain which make and model of 4x4 ie best. Now it's gone down to which vehicle looks best.. I once had a 03 Mitsubishi l200 warrior crewcab uk spec.
Jesus it looked savage and had loads of gismos.that the brothers 00nissan pathfinder hadn't..but it wins hands down on the worst by far 4x4 ever made. Only 109bhp.drank diesel 19 mpg.. needed a new engine head after 2 months..then ok for a year until big end popped out through block...common issue on d56 engine...
Would definitely win on appearance but bottom of the reliability ladder..
Those amoracks are only ok..vw had to fit v6 cos the 2 liter was way underpowered.. for towing.. still Toyota 3.0 d4d for me anyday..regardless of looks..you get what u pay for and they hold up great resale value too

farmer2018

I was asking the questions about 2.0-2.5 jeeps because I want one for a small amount of towing to sales, shows etc. I would not be towing big loads of cattle. I would be using this vehicle for driving to work as well, so it would need to be some what economical compared to a land cruiser, pajero etc.

Turbohymac

Hi farmer 2018.. well theres a fair bit difference even between 2litre and 2.5. This thread is getting fair long but hilux also available in 2.5 but you're more talking crossover which some are 4x4 and others arent..these are the smallest type entry 4x4 and usually 2litre max .. ok if minded but problem is many people put them at towing jobs that's suited to a landcruiser 3litre and there worlds apart.. some won't even have a hi /low gearbox fitted...these are fairly standard on the real actual 4x4 jeeps and come in great if reversing with a loaded trailer... best advice as you've probably got already drive many and see but while any crossover will feel better on road there long short of standard 4x4.. but if it's only a small cow box etc max that you're towing then crossover or even large car fine but the 12x6.6 twin axle boxes will kill a crossover.. if you've compared pulling a 2.5 ton trailer of cattle behind a 2 liter crossover compared to 2.5 or 3 liter you'd quickly realize the difference especially at the first sign of a hill.. also due to being heavier a full size jeep will be legal to tow heavier weights..

Grueller

sonnybill wrote: »

Are the d max heavier on juice than say a swb land cruiser ?

Lighter.
3.0 dmax doing 32 mpg tipping around here. Different story towing though.

Green farmer

Turbohymac wrote: »

if it's only a small cow box etc max that you're towing then crossover or even large car fine ..

That’s what I’m in the process of doing here, with my 2.0d saloon and trailer, so hope it all works out ok.

Ard_MC

farmer2018 wrote: »

I was asking the questions about 2.0-2.5 jeeps because I want one for a small amount of towing to sales, shows etc. I would not be towing big loads of cattle. I would be using this vehicle for driving to work as well, so it would need to be some what economical compared to a land cruiser, pajero etc.

Have a 151 sorento here, doing over 40 mpg. Happy with it. Tows all i need. 10x5 sheep trailer with decks, Full no issus. 2t of fert or meal no issue.

Done 22000 k in it since end of april, no problems.

farmer2018

Green farmer wrote: »

That’s what I’m in the process of doing here, with my 2.0d saloon and trailer, so hope it all works out ok.

What are you changing to?

Green farmer

farmer2018 wrote: »

What are you changing to?

Sheep only here, but gave up using a 10X5 with decks and Toyota Land Cruiser, to an smaller lighter 8ft type trailer and ordinary 2 litre diesal family saloon car. Just couldn’t justify the running costs of an extra vehicle on a small farm. Will never tow more then 1.5tonne all in. Next time I change my car I’d seriously consider skoda, I hear the superb’s are good for towing ?

Noveight

Hilux and Landcruiser are the bread and butter. 2.5D4D good enough for towing if you're not hauling fierce loads every day of the week.

croot

Green farmer wrote: »

Sheep only here, but gave up using a 10X5 with decks and Toyota Land Cruiser, to an smaller lighter 8ft type trailer and ordinary 2 litre diesal family saloon car. Just couldn’t justify the running costs of an extra vehicle on a small farm. Will never tow more then 1.5tonne all in. Next time I change my car I’d seriously consider skoda, I hear the superb’s are good for towing ?

They are ............ superb

_Brian

Green farmer wrote: »

Sheep only here, but gave up using a 10X5 with decks and Toyota Land Cruiser, to an smaller lighter 8ft type trailer and ordinary 2 litre diesal family saloon car. Just couldn’t justify the running costs of an extra vehicle on a small farm. Will never tow more then 1.5tonne all in. Next time I change my car I’d seriously consider skoda, I hear the superb’s are good for towing ?

We bought a 2.0 150bhp Kuga over the summer, it’s a great toke to tow, towed over 2k km since buying and it was faultless. Also have a 140bhp Tiguan here and it lulls well but would be a bit more basic than the Kuga, the Tiguan is AWD, the Kuga isn’t.

maidhc

The answer to every questions involving a 4x4 is a landcruiser to my mind. I would not part with my 2003 LWB one for love nor money. Anyone who thinks a crossover or a 2.0 diesel car can come close is just misguided. I'd take a car any day for a long journey or going to work, but for farm work there is no comparison.

_Brian

maidhc wrote: »

The answer to every questions involving a 4x4 is a landcruiser to my mind. I would not part with my 2003 LWB one for love nor money. Anyone who thinks a crossover or a 2.0 diesel car can come close is just misguided. I'd take a car any day for a long journey or going to work, but for farm work there is no comparison.

The Cruiser is a step up, but fuel economy isn’t to everyone’s pocket nor requirements.

Green farmer

_Brian wrote: »

The Cruiser is a step up, but fuel economy isn’t to everyone’s pocket nor requirements.

All depends on what you need a vehicle for most ? is it school runs, shopping, dropping kids everywhere with a small bit of farming on the side ? or is it purely farming ? If you’ve a decent sized farm then you can have two vehicles but some people have small farms and can only have one or the other ? one hat doesn’t fit all

Loves_lorries

_Brian wrote: »

The Cruiser is a step up, but fuel economy isn’t to everyone’s pocket nor requirements.

No jeep is a miser on juice but landcruisers are hardly range rover thirsty either.

Landcruiser are bulletproof, I'd still go for a jeep grand cherokee if someone handed me 70 k, landcruiser are a bit boring to look at, don't get me wrong, I still love them and they are comfortable too but style is very Conservative.

Suckler

Land Rover Discovery 4. Fantastic machine. One of the most comfortable I've ever driven and plenty of power. Very stable towing as well.

maidhc

Green farmer wrote: »

All depends on what you need a vehicle for most ? is it school runs, shopping, dropping kids everywhere with a small bit of farming on the side ? or is it purely farming ? If you’ve a decent sized farm then you can have two vehicles but some people have small farms and can only have one or the other ? one hat doesn’t fit all

My solution was to buy a clean s/h one a few years ago. €7,000 of which you can claim capital allowances + about €1,000 p.a. to cover tax insurance and the CVRT.

I keep the car clean then for work and all that!

Loves_lorries

Suckler wrote: »

Land Rover Discovery 4. Fantastic machine. One of the most comfortable I've ever driven and plenty of power. Very stable towing as well.

Reliability is patchy.

wrangler

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Reliability is patchy.

Is it still that way, I was dreaming about changing for a five seater business class earlier in the year and tried a few discoveries, a lovely jeep and a good bit cheaper than the LC business class, thats probably the reason,
You know what they used to say years ago.
''If you want to go out in the desert, drive a landrover.
If you want to get back, drive a Toyota''

Suckler

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Reliability is patchy.

Any issues (and there were a few) were ironed out in the Discovery 3's. Later ones were very reliable. Electric hand brake mechanism can be an issue the odd time alright.

joe35

Looking at a 2015 navara king cab, or a mitsubishi l200, again king cab. The extra seats in the back would come in handy but wouldn't be used that often. I think there would be less of an issue taxing them as commercial. There getting a bit sticky taxing the crew cabs as commercial. Any taughts on what the navara is like, a 2.5 engine. Have an 06 pathfinder but with the rust issues I don't think it'll go through the test.

greysides

King cabs... sit into the back seats before you consider them.

joe35

I'd be in the drivers seat. No it would only be for the grandchildren the odd time. Their all young yet

Green farmer

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Reliability is patchy.

I bought a brand new discovery 3 about 12 years ago. Worst vehicle I ever owned. The suspension used to malfunction in the middle of driving. The clutch started burning after 6,000km or the first time it sat in heavy traffic. Dealers and land rover Ireland didn’t want to know anything about it. Told me was the way I was driving it and said if they were to take it apart and look at it and find nothing they saddle me with a 2k bill. I afterwards found out it was a well know flaw. Never again......

Cattlepen

wrangler wrote: »

Is it still that way, I was dreaming about changing for a five seater business class earlier in the year and tried a few discoveries, a lovely jeep and a good bit cheaper than the LC business class, thats probably the reason,
You know what they used to say years ago.
''If you want to go out in the desert, drive a landrover.
If you want to get back, drive a Toyota''

That’s all nonsense. Used to be devoted to Toyota’s. I had them al from the original bj right through to the v8 Amazon. Later Toyota’s gave plenty of trouble and were expensive to fix. The discovery 4 will, with the passage of time, prove to be one of the best jeeps ever made. I’ve owned one and would go back to it in the morning only wife liked something else and she must be obeyed

DJ98

What would be the most economical jeep to run, looking for something with 4 doors (5 seat) , cheap to run and capable of pulling a 10x5 sheep trailer

selectamatic

Not a jeep but you'd be hard pressed find a more economical tow rig than a 1.9tdi vw sharan, seat Alhambra or ford galaxy. They've a 2000kg towing capacity.

If the budget allows any of the newer suv type things such as a kuga, tiguan etc. Would be worth considering. Decent on fuel and cheap tax, pretty expensive to buy though.