A new playtoy - 181/2 Tractor

Reggie.

jaymla627 wrote: »

You’ll be able to get it mapped handy enough so, makes some difference to them

Can get 170hp out of them easily

Reggie.

jaymla627 wrote: »

New shape, they wouldn’t be over 100k new unless you went and speeced it very high

Front links, load sensing and high capacity pump could add 10k easily. Min spec for contractors really

Keep Sluicing

Reggie. wrote: »

A new holland 145 is in the region of 100k

My neighbour bought a MF7718s for 102k. Front links, front axle and cab suspension, more bells and whistles too.
180 hp

Reggie.

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

My neighbour bought a MF7718s for 102k. Front links, front axle and cab suspension, more bells and whistles too.
180 hp

7718 closer to 165hp. For an extra €800 ill have a tractor with slightly more HP if i wish.

Random thought of the day.......
Wonder why the hatred for landini?
Do the main brand fans feel threatened or seem to have to explain why they buy them even tho they are more expensive.

This thread was started and the OP bought fendt in the end. They explained it was expensive but they were happy. Everyone clapped him on the back and said he was right and rightly so.

Since I mentioned I bought a landini people have posted they are inferior, may be cheaper but the main brands are better, should have bought an ex-demo (even tho the landini was cheaper) and so on.

Why are people so wound up over the matter?
Dare I say jealously? Misunderstanding of the brand?

Who cares what I buy. I'm happy. I don't like the masseys or NHs. I hate john deeres.

The landini fits my business model so hey i'm happy that's all that matters

GrasstoMilk

Reggie. wrote: »

7718 closer to 165hp. For an extra €800 ill hzve z tractor wigh slightly more HP if i wish.

Random thought of the day.......
Wonder why the hatred for landini?
Do the main brand fans feel threatened or seem to have to explain why they buy them even tho they are more expensive.

This thread was started and the OP bought fendt in the end. They explained it was expensive but they were happy. Everyone clapped him on the back and said he was right and rightly so.

Since I mentioned I bought a landini people have posted they are inferior, may be cheaper but the main brands are better, should have bought an ex-demo (even tho the landini was cheaper) and so on.

Why are people so wound up over the matter?
Dare I say jealously? Misunderstanding of the brand?

Who cares what I buy. I'm happy. I don't like the masseys or NHs. I hate john deeres.

The landini fits my business model so hey i'm happy that's all that matters

Resale value is my biggest issue with them.
I've a 99 reg landini here and I kept here too long. The most I would get for her any where would be 10k and that's optimistic.
Now if they was a mf/jd/nh I'd get another 7-8 k for her. That would be the difference in 12 - 18 months repayments on buying a decent newer 2nd hand tractor.
We've had landinis here and they served us well but got crucified when trading.
I can't seeing it being any different with new landinis if you have it for 5 years and put 5000 hours on it.

But any way they're my thoughts from our experience. Each to there own

anthony500_1

GrasstoMilk wrote:

Resale value is my biggest issue with them. I've a 99 reg landini here and I kept here too long. The most I would get for her any where would be 10k and that's optimistic. Now if they was a mf/jd/nh I'd get another 7-8 k for her. That would be the difference in 12 - 18 months repayments on buying a decent newer 2nd hand tractor. We've had landinis here and they served us well but got crucified when trading. I can't seeing it being any different with new landinis if you have it for 5 years and put 5000 hours on it.

Would your landini have been 7-8k less when you bought it new vrs the "main brands" of equal hp and spec of there day? If yes is your answer then how are you being crucified on resale value.

Grueller

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Resale value is my biggest issue with them.
I've a 99 reg landini here and I kept here too long. The most I would get for her any where would be 10k and that's optimistic.
Now if they was a mf/jd/nh I'd get another 7-8 k for her. That would be the difference in 12 - 18 months repayments on buying a decent newer 2nd hand tractor.
We've had landinis here and they served us well but got crucified when trading.
I can't seeing it being any different with new landinis if you have it for 5 years and put 5000 hours on it.

But any way they're my thoughts from our experience. Each to there own

Reggies tractor is €25k cheaper on day one. If she is even €10k behind the others on trade in after a period of time she has served her purpose. Cost of ownership is the figure to watch in my opinion.

Reggie.

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Resale value is my biggest issue with them.
I've a 99 reg landini here and I kept here too long. The most I would get for her any where would be 10k and that's optimistic.
Now if they was a mf/jd/nh I'd get another 7-8 k for her. That would be the difference in 12 - 18 months repayments on buying a decent newer 2nd hand tractor.
We've had landinis here and they served us well but got crucified when trading.
I can't seeing it being any different with new landinis if you have it for 5 years and put 5000 hours on it.

But any way they're my thoughts from our experience. Each to there own

I lost 6k on mine over 2 years on the trade in

Ard_MC

Reggie. wrote: »

7718 closer to 165hp. For an extra €800 ill hzve z tractor wigh slightly more HP if i wish.

Random thought of the day.......
Wonder why the hatred for landini?
Do the main brand fans feel threatened or seem to have to explain why they buy them even tho they are more expensive.

This thread was started and the OP bought fendt in the end. They explained it was expensive but they were happy. Everyone clapped him on the back and said he was right and rightly so.

Since I mentioned I bought a landini people have posted they are inferior, may be cheaper but the main brands are better, should have bought an ex-demo (even tho the landini was cheaper) and so on.

Why are people so wound up over the matter?
Dare I say jealously? Misunderstanding of the brand?

Who cares what I buy. I'm happy. I don't like the masseys or NHs. I hate john deeres.

The landini fits my business model so hey i'm happy that's all that matters

Everyone to themselves. Enjoy it. And hope its lucky.

Reggie.

Grueller wrote: »

Reggies tractor is €25k cheaper on day one. If she is even €10k behind the others on trade in after a period of time she has served her purpose. Cost of ownership is the figure to watch in my opinion.

Figures for you. She has currently 860hrs on her. Since I picked her up in January 2017 she has gone through 6000lts of diesel (the 6th tank is nearly empty now)

So say 6000lts for 950hrs

6000 ÷ 950= 6.31lts per hour
6.3 x 70c= €4.4
She cost me €4.4 per hour over her life from tedding, grass seeding, fert spreading, slurry, mowing, raking and drawing bales.

Serviced once at a cost of €500.

charolais0153

Reggie. wrote: »

7718 closer to 165hp. For an extra €800 ill have a tractor with slightly more HP if i wish.

Random thought of the day.......
Wonder why the hatred for landini?
Do the main brand fans feel threatened or seem to have to explain why they buy them even tho they are more expensive.

This thread was started and the OP bought fendt in the end. They explained it was expensive but they were happy. Everyone clapped him on the back and said he was right and rightly so.

Since I mentioned I bought a landini people have posted they are inferior, may be cheaper but the main brands are better, should have bought an ex-demo (even tho the landini was cheaper) and so on.

Why are people so wound up over the matter?
Dare I say jealously? Misunderstanding of the brand?

Who cares what I buy. I'm happy. I don't like the masseys or NHs. I hate john deeres.

The landini fits my business model so hey i'm happy that's all that matters

Dacia = landini
Audi = john deere.

mayota

charolais0153 wrote: »

Dacia = landini
Audi = john deere.

Audi are not what they once were.

Muckit

I wouldn't drive an Audi if u paid me. Every head driving one.

charolais0153

mayota wrote: »

Audi are not what they once were.

You get the drift. Beamer merc etc

farawaygrass

Best of luck reggie. I bought a new holland this year and after I made the deal a new landini arrived at the garage and I sat up on it. Was very impressive. Has come on a lot in the last few years.

GrasstoMilk

Reggie. wrote: »

I lost 6k on mine over 2 years on the trade in

You had very little hours on it though. Put 1000 hours a year up and see what it drops. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Any way each to there own. They work out fine if you change them regularly and don't hold onto them.

GrasstoMilk

anthony500_1 wrote: »

Would your landini have been 7-8k less when you bought it new vrs the "main brands" of equal hp and spec of there day? If yes is your answer then how are you being crucified on resale value.

It was a lot less and an absolute pig to drive for any length no comfort compared to a tractor of similar time

Reggie.

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

You had very little hours on it though. Put 1000 hours a year up and see what it drops. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Any way each to there own. They work out fine if you change them regularly and don't hold onto them.

I'm comparing my true hours to my business model and usage.

Reggie.

charolais0153 wrote: »

Dacia = landini
Audi = john deere.

We actually drive dacias here

White Clover

Had a landini here for 7 years, it was a great tractor. Sold it for €950 less than I paid for it.
There was 9500 hours on it when it left and it was perfect, not a leak or a drip anywhere, perfect steering etc, and it had a loader on it from new.

jaymla627

Reggie. wrote: »

Can get 170hp out of them easily

Have the one 140 up around that, drinks diseal though to be fair

Reggie.

jaymla627 wrote: »

Have the one 140 up around that, drinks diseal though to be fair

How did you do it?

jaymla627

Reggie. wrote: »

How did you do it?

Chap from donegal done the map and turned of the ad-blue, does a lot of tractors nationwide

Reggie.

jaymla627 wrote: »

Chap from donegal done the map and turned of the ad-blue, does a lot of tractors nationwide

There's a crowd in tullamore that install a tuning box. Only initiates when required so diesel usage is only when the pressure is on. Have done slot if machines around here not only tractors.

It can be removed to another tractor after your finished and also no danger of it being wiped out in an update

Timmaay

White Clover wrote: »

Had a landini here for 7 years, it was a great tractor. Sold it for €950 less than I paid for it.
There was 9500 hours on it when it left and it was perfect, not a leak or a drip anywhere, perfect steering etc, and it had a loader on it from new.

Similar here, have had 4 of them over the years, 1st 2 were absolute bulletproof, perfect tractor for us useless dairyfarmers ha, 3rd one was a total lemon but I won't blame landini for it that. Drove a brand new one last year, and won't lie I didn't like it, more a complaint of all modern tractors, too much electronics and too many annoying safety features. A clean fully manual older landini that wasn't owned by a dog rough stockman are great value tractors in my view.

Panch18

Reggie. wrote: »

There's a crowd in tullamore that install a tuning box. Only initiates when required so diesel usage is only when the pressure is on. Have done slot if machines around here not only tractors.

It can be removed to another tractor after your finished and also no danger of it being wiped out in an update

Be very very careful going down that route lads, if something goes wrong and the manufacturer get wind of it then you can kiss any warranty or reduced repair cost good bye

Reggie.

Panch18 wrote: »

Be very very careful going down that route lads, if something goes wrong and the manufacturer get wind of it then you can kiss any warranty or reduced repair cost good bye

The tuning box doesn't interfere with the engine much at all. After warranty is gone the dealers rarely are as sweet to ya

The Nutty M

A good few of them tuning boxes only increase rail pressure. Electronic injectors and fuel pumps don't like the extra pressure after a while.


Oh and Reggie, well ware on the new machine. I was wondering how long you were gonna bite your tongue for before you let rip into the naysayers.

Reggie.

The Nutty M wrote: »

A good few of them tuning boxes only increase rail pressure. Electronic injectors and fuel pumps don't like the extra pressure after a while.


Oh and Reggie, well ware on the new machine. I was wondering how long you were gonna bite your tongue for before you let rip into the naysayers.

This one doesn't go near the common rail. It increases the diesel spray a fraction of a second longer. No extra pressure on the system
Have a mate that has it done a good while with no issues

Might never happen just an option really

funkey_monkey

What engine is in your new tractor Reggie? Ours has a Betapower - which I think is a re-badged Fiat engine. Which is the same used by CaseIH & NH.

Reggie.

funkey_monkey wrote: »

What engine is in your new tractor Reggie? Ours has a Betapower - which I think is a re-badged Fiat engine. Which is the same used by CaseIH & NH.

4.5 litre FPT iveco engine

funkey_monkey

Is that the NEF engine? Whats the difference between it and the Betapower in the McCormick?

Reggie.

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Is that the NEF engine? Whats the difference between it and the Betapower in the McCormick?

NEF engine might be in the new ones but the FPT landini engine was in the previous T6 i think. Might have been a slight variation of it maybe.

Don't think there is any difference in the mccormick one. Mccormick call it betapower and landini call it dual power

Timmaay

Defo sums up this thread nicely

Reggie.

Timmaay wrote: »

Defo sums up this thread nicely

Not gonna deny it

wrangler

Timmaay wrote: »

Defo sums up this thread nicely

Christmas is a brilliant method of moving rubbish around the country.....BAH humbug

Keep Sluicing

Reggie. wrote: »

7718 closer to 165hp. For an extra €800 ill have a tractor with slightly more HP if i wish.

I was thinking that the 7718 was more than 165hp. She was on the dyno and providing 166hp at the pto. So it could be up to 180hp at the engine. The salesman said it is sold as a 175 hp machine, and they'll turn it up to 200hp if the client wants to pay for it.

Waffletraktor

The way i'd look at it is if your expecting the machine to put food on the table and pay for it's self soley your looking at a minimum of 2k/hrs per year of work never mind the other 25% they sit idle hooking things on or opening gates clocking up more hrs. Another 100hrs labour per year on maintenance and cleaning it
Then the extra's like fancy trellebourg or michelin tyres are another 8k and most contractor spec tractors around here come with vario gearboxes as their easier to drive for a prolonged period. Fancy lorry spec double mirrors make manouvering much easier. Fancy grammer seat that moves about more to reduce back aches as doing big hours for a few years leaves backs ground to bone dust.
You pay's your level money that your happy with.

Bass Reeves

Waffletraktor wrote: »

The way i'd look at it is if your expecting the machine to put food on the table and pay for it's self soley your looking at a minimum of 2k/hrs per year of work never mind the other 25% they sit idle hooking things on or opening gates clocking up more hrs. Another 100hrs labour per year on maintenance and cleaning it
Then the extra's like fancy trellebourg or michelin tyres are another 8k and most contractor spec tractors around here come with vario gearboxes as their easier to drive for a prolonged period. Fancy lorry spec double mirrors make manouvering much easier. Fancy grammer seat that moves about more to reduce back aches as doing big hours for a few years leaves backs ground to bone dust.
You pay's your level money that your happy with.

When you look at it, is the tractor doing work for you or are working for the tractor

maidhc

Bass Reeves wrote: »

When you look at it, is the tractor doing work for you or are working for the tractor

So true. The sums just don't add up. 90% of agriculture is based on clowns just being foolish and not thinking with their heads.

Aravo

A lot of people are buying machinery to assist with tax matters. Can't fault them for that.

simx

Aravo wrote: »

A lot of people are buying machinery to assist with tax matters. Can't fault them for that.

In a friends yard the other day 162 tractor 2200hrs mustn’t get to cool down often

Joe Daly

simx wrote: »

In a friends yard the other day 162 tractor 2200hrs mustn’t get to cool down often

I have a 171 valtra it has 2500 hrs on it.

Timmaay

Aravo wrote: »

A lot of people are buying machinery to assist with tax matters. Can't fault them for that.

100% write off of all contractor charges in that year tho, and I get to see loads of shiny new kit during the year.

simx

Joe Daly wrote: »

I have a 171 valtra it has 2500 hrs on it.

Must be a thing with valtras

Joe Daly

simx wrote: »

Must be a thing with valtras

Its going all year from drilling, balling, silage, corn carting, ploughing. Its the first one I change the tractors roughly 6000 hours one driver is accountable for his machine.

Panch18

Joe Daly wrote: »

Its going all year from drilling, balling, silage, corn carting, ploughing. Its the first one I change the tractors roughly 6000 hours one driver is accountable for his machine.

What kind of fleet are you running?

Waffletraktor

Bass Reeves wrote: »

When you look at it, is the tractor doing work for you or are working for the tractor

Don't see much difference in running a truck etc tbh. Make sure what ever job it's at will cover the 37-40odd quid needed to cover costs other wise for a contractor is it worth offering the service/ farmer would their resources generate more income deployed elsewhere and get someone else to do it who has a 'special' calculator.

pablo39er

some job

9935452

simx wrote: »

Aravo wrote: »

A lot of people are buying machinery to assist with tax matters. Can't fault them for that.

In a friends yard the other day 162 tractor 2200hrs mustn’t get to cool down often

Hours on modern machinery clock up a lot faster than on older machinery. One hour per hour v on hour at a certain rpm. Local dealer reckons on older machinery average hours per year was 300 to 400. On newer tractors 1000 hours.
A chap i work for traded a 10 year old tractor a few years back with an estimated 25k hours on it. The clock stopped at 2900 hours when it was 13 months old.
He isnt doing as much as he was back then but the main tractor is still doing over 2k hours a year. The others 1k hours