Part worn tyres - discontinued

listermint

The tyre experts come out in force.

Got to love the motors forum inspector gadgets come out from under their rocks .

Mostly with little to no clue .

wexie

mullingar wrote: »

A bulge is caused by the tyre air pressure pushing on a weakness in the side wall, its physically not possible to bulge inwards due to pressure differences

I think he probably meant outside of the tire (facing away from the car) and inside of the tire (facing to the car, ie. the side you can't see looking at the car).

corcaigh1

jimbis wrote: »

To answer the original question, part worn tyres are still widely available in ireland.
Part worn tyres can't be sold if the company is registered with the Irish tyre industry association so that would be the reason why some places are telling you the market is discontinued.

Thanks for that information, good to know!

wexie

listermint wrote: »

The tyre experts come out in force.

Got to love the motors forum inspector gadgets come out from under their rocks .

Mostly with little to no clue .

I still wanna know how part worn tires are going to damage my suspension.

have to say I'm starting to get a bit worried now

listermint

wexie wrote: »

I still wanna know how part worn tires are going to damage my suspension.

have to say I'm starting to get a bit worried now

Car may explode.

wexie

listermint wrote: »

Car may explode.

bugger....that sounds pretty serious....

It's mad that that only happens with tires that have come from a different car first and not tires you get from new and get to be worn on the same car...

I wonder what the physics behind that is

sunnysoutheast

corcaigh1 wrote: »

I was getting 18" branded part worns for 40-45 each so only buying a set a year at €180 compared to new every two years at €600



600
(360)
=240 saving





That's how I justified it...

If it's a cashflow/affordability thing then fair enough but you're only saving the equivalent of a tenner a month over the two years putting used tyres of unknown provenance on your car.

How much would midrange e.g. Kumho etc. be? Last time I got brand new 245/40/18 Ecsta KU39 for 105 per corner fitted.

Your car, your rules of course, but a false economy IMHO.

listermint

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

If it's a cashflow/affordability thing then fair enough but you're only saving the equivalent of a tenner a month over the two years putting used tyres of unknown provenance on your car.

How much would midrange e.g. Kumho etc. be? Last time I got brand new 245/40/18 Ecsta KU39 for 105 per corner fitted.

Your car, your rules of course, but a false economy IMHO.

Midrange kumho will last forever.


.. not a good thing btw

sunnysoutheast

listermint wrote: »

Midrange kumho will last forever.


.. not a good thing btw

Not on an A5 3 litre quattro they don't.

Goodyear Asymmetric 3 on mine next I think.

New, not part worn.

listermint

Preferred the eagle f1s on the M3 myself

corcaigh1

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

If it's a cashflow/affordability thing then fair enough but you're only saving the equivalent of a tenner a month over the two years putting used tyres of unknown provenance on your car.

How much would midrange e.g. Kumho etc. be? Last time I got brand new 245/40/18 Ecsta KU39 for 105 per corner fitted.

Your car, your rules of course, but a false economy IMHO.

Well that is a good price now tbf and id happily stretch to around the ton a corner for something half decent.


I was considering landsail LS588 because they are priced very nicely and have savage reviews for a budget tyre, beat michelin in tests also.

https://www.halfordsautocentres.com/advice/news/mar-2015-landsail-beats-michelin-surprise-result-in-tyre-test


What is the best site to read reviews and price's on tyre's?

grogi

corcaigh1 wrote: »

Well that is a good price now tbf and id happily stretch to around the ton a corner for something half decent.


I was considering landsail LS588 because they are priced very nicely and have savage reviews for a budget tyre, beat michelin in tests also.

https://www.halfordsautocentres.com/advice/news/mar-2015-landsail-beats-michelin-surprise-result-in-tyre-test


What is the best site to read reviews and price's on tyre's?

A site to get tyres reviews... Hmmm... Tyrereviews?!

corcaigh1

grogi wrote: »

A site to get tyres reviews... Hmmm... Tyrereviews?!

And how many sites are there to read reviews? About a gazillion...



What is the best site to read reviews and price's on tyre's?

listermint

listermint wrote: »

Preferred the eagle f1s on the M3 myself

how many kms are you getting out of the F1s?

listermint

BrownFinger wrote: »

how many kms are you getting out of the F1s?

Was getting around 15,000km out of them . Cars sold now though

Ubbquittious

Why in the bejaysus do people on here call tyres corners when talking about buying them? yet you'd never hear of someone changing a corner or having a puncture in a corner

R.O.R

corcaigh1 wrote: »

I was considering landsail LS588 because they are priced very nicely and have savage reviews for a budget tyre, beat michelin in tests also.

https://www.halfordsautocentres.com/advice/news/mar-2015-landsail-beats-michelin-surprise-result-in-tyre-test

A couple of years ago I drove an S-Max 115ps with a brand new set of Landsails on the front - no idea what model they were, but they were very poor in the (very) wet conditions. Wheel spin in 3rd gear and no sense they were going to hold the road, even through the slight bends on the motorway between Dublin-Cork.

Lord Nikon

I'd bet that every second hard car sold in Ireland has part-worn tyres, unless it really needs a new tyre. So basically a danger for everyone driving on part worn tyres.

The Bishop Basher

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Why in the bejaysus do people on here call tyres corners when talking about buying them? yet you'd never hear of someone changing a corner or having a puncture in a corner

I always cringe a little when i hear it used. No idea why. I just do.

beefburrito wrote: »

There's a big difference between driving with new tyres and part worn.

Most of the part worn tyres are buckled, out of shape and will make driving very uneven.

I tried the part worn tyres before there was an awful noise coming from the road when I drove fast, and the car had a slight wobble.

They can really Fck up suspicion too

I'm assuming you're taking the piss but then i'm not seeing the smilies.

If you did in fact buy "buckled" and "out of shape" tyres, you were robbed..

I've been buying them for years. I check them myself before they go on the car and never once had an issue.

I've never understood the issue people have with with them tbh.

Every single car driving on the road right now is driving on pre worns

Isambard

that old point again...where did the part-worns come from? almost certainly from a written off car whereas the ones you refer too almost certainly didn't

Dravokivich

colm_mcm wrote: »

Kinda the same logic as asking why people only tax their car for 3 or 6 months instead of a year.

After taxing a car for a year and gotten written off within weeks, I'm not going to lose out on it by taxing for a year again.

The Bishop Basher

Isambard wrote: »

that old point again...where did the part-worns come from? almost certainly from a written off car whereas the ones you refer too almost certainly didn't

I thought a lot of them come from EU countries where it's mandatory to change between Summer and Winter tyres.

Unless they're writing off container loads of cars on the continent but I would have thought we'd have heard about that.

Kenny Logins

Isambard wrote: »

that old point again...where did the part-worns come from? almost certainly from a written off car whereas the ones you refer too almost certainly didn't

You don't really think that's where they come from, do you??

Isambard

maybe they do but most people surely would just keep a spare set of wheels and then swap back after the winter.

There are thousand of cars written off in accidents everyday, I've no doubt usable parts will be shipped off to third world countries...

Isambard

Kenny Logins wrote: »

You don't really think that's where they come from, do you??

where do you think they came from then?Can you be sure your part-worns didn't come off a high speed motorway write off?

grogi

corcaigh1 wrote: »

And how many sites are there to read reviews? About a gazillion...



What is the best site to read reviews and price's on tyre's?

I would start with Introduction to English spelling of plural nouns.

Once that is done, you can go to an excellent site about tyres - perviously mentioned Tyrereviews...



They aggregate tests from many sources around Europe and provide price comparator as well. But I don't know if it is the best. That you need to figure out yourself.

Kenny Logins

Isambard wrote: »

where do you think they came from then?

I KNOW they come from Germany or Sweden etc. where by law tyres have to be changed with the seasons, even if you've only done a few miles on them. A lot of people don't want to store them as it's much easier to trade them in.

listermint

Isambard wrote: »

maybe they do but most people surely would just keep a spare set of wheels and then swap back after the winter.

There are thousand of cars written off in accidents everyday, I've no doubt usable parts will be shipped off to third world countries...

You must have been standing beside the bar stool listening to him, was it ?

grogi

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I KNOW they come from Germany or Sweden etc. where by law tyres have to be changed with the seasons, even if you've only done a few miles on them. A lot of people don't want to store them as it's much easier to trade them in.

You are misinformed. What you are obliged is to drive on snow approved tyres during snow conditions (or whole winter season - I am not certain about the specifics in Sweden). Nobody is required to change the rubber every half a year.

The Bishop Basher

Decent info on it all here..

https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/winter-tyres/laws-and-legislation

Kenny Logins

grogi wrote: »

You are misinformed. What you are obliged is to drive on snow approved tyres during snow conditions (or whole winter season - I am not certain about the specifics in Sweden). Nobody is required to change the rubber every half a year.

Ok, fair enough, you might get away with a mild winter in Sweden.

https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/vagtrafik/Fordon/Fordonsregler/dack/Vinterdack/

meeeeh

Swanner wrote: »

I thought a lot of them come from EU countries where it's mandatory to change between Summer and Winter tyres.

Most of those tyres are worthless. The only time part worn tyres are worth anything is when people sell the car with their let say summer tyres on and have a fairly new pair of winters spare. But mostly people just swap tyres twice per year and use both. There is nothing wrong with some used tyres but not that many are actually decent enough. In my parents garage they can go well over 100 cars per day in a busy period and the amount of tyres that are ok is minimal. What would more often happen two of the four would be ok and they would be used if someone punctures a tyre and needs one ok tyre instead of buying new.

Someone mentioned tyres on used cars, they are often rubbish because people don't change worn tyres if they are selling a car and need to be changed asap. I never worked anywhere in Ireland to do with tyre industry so I have no skin in the game but I do notice that a lot of people here keep tyres way past what should be acceptable. And I know how rare decent used tyres are.

meeeeh

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I KNOW they come from Germany or Sweden etc. where by law tyres have to be changed with the seasons, even if you've only done a few miles on them. A lot of people don't want to store them as it's much easier to trade them in.

I don't know about Germany or Sweden but you can charge to store the tyres some small sum and get repeat custom.

Isambard

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I KNOW they come from Germany or Sweden etc. where by law tyres have to be changed with the seasons, even if you've only done a few miles on them. A lot of people don't want to store them as it's much easier to trade them in.

you can't know for certain that the tyre you are looking at buying came from that source. It's not possible.

grogi

Let's finish this discussion here...

Those who were buying pre-loved tyres will keep buying them, those who did see a life thread will certainly keep their point of view. No point in going over and over the same thing.

The Bishop Basher

meeeeh wrote: »

And I know how rare decent used tyres are.

Agreed and getting rarer..

I used to call the lads and ask them to put a decent set by when they came across one in a shipment but the last few times i've been offered rubbish..

My last bargain was probably about 2 years ago now.. A set of as new Pirelli's for €45 each.

There's definitely a lot more rubbish about now. Changed the car again a few weeks ago and went looking for a set for the rear. I ended up spending slightly more on a decent set of mid range tyres and will probably just go that way in future. It's less hassle.

Kenny Logins

Isambard wrote: »

you can't know for certain that the tyre you are looking at buying came from that source. It's not possible.

Yeah, I know, I was just (over)reacting to your claim that they come "almost certainly from a written off car". I can agree that we really don't know for sure.

listermint

listermint wrote: »

Was getting around 15,000km out of them . Cars sold now though

Ouch!

tossy

BrownFinger wrote: »

Ouch!

I got 25 thousand Miles out of my last set of (2) F1 Asymmetric 3's which i was very impressed by - never got near that out of a set of F1's ever. I replaced them with PS4's so will see how they go.

I believe goodyear have updated the 3 to include a better rim protector as the one on the earlier 3's was crap - when it came time to replace the other 2 tyres on my car i went for 2's instead.

Ross94

There's a lot of ****e being sold here as decent partworns, Random winter tyres or 7/8 years old, But if your lucky and know what your looking at you can get lucky.


I bought 2 Michelins for €40 each off a random lad on FB, He wanted to change down a size. Tyres were at max 12 months old and had hardly no wear.

So €50 each fitted compared to €110 if I bought new.


Practically every car sold in the country is on partworn tyres.

milltown

Isambard wrote: »

where do you think they came from then?Can you be sure your part-worns didn't come off a high speed motorway write off?

Curious to know why even such a crash would mean the death of a tyre?
Barring an F1 style flat spot, surely tyres just go round in circles until you ask them to stop.

dr.fuzzenstein

As soon as you drive away from the tire shop, they're part worn.
You need to turn around immediately and get new tires. Which will be part worn as soon as you drive away from the shop...

tossy

tossy wrote: »

I got 25 thousand Miles out of my last set of (2) F1 Asymmetric 3's which i was very impressed by - never got near that out of a set of F1's ever. I replaced them with PS4's so will see how they go.

I believe goodyear have updated the 3 to include a better rim protector as the one on the earlier 3's was crap - when it came time to replace the other 2 tyres on my car i went for 2's instead.

Miles or km?
Put 4asy 3s on 20,000km ago and they are at 4.7mm.
I'll have another 4km on them before I go to France for the hols.
Might have to get new ones before I go but they will still have life on them.
(3000 in two weeks driving and some will be hard)
Might find a buyer on here by the looks of it!

jimbis

Majority of part worn tyres come from Germany, their minimum thread depth is higher than ours (3mm I think) but being Germans they tend to change them well before that.

tossy

BrownFinger wrote: »

Miles or km?
Put 4asy 3s on 20,000km ago and they are at 4.7mm.
I'll have another 4km on them before I go to France for the hols.
Might have to get new ones before I go but they will still have life on them.
(3000 in two weeks driving and some will be hard)
Might find a buyer on here by the looks of it!

Miles - couldn't believe it myself. Put 2 assymetiric 3's on it a month after i bought it and changed them a few weeks ago for the PS4's.

There is no difference in performance between the PS4's and the Assymetrics so if i don't get decent mileage out of these i'll be straighr back to goodyear.

VeVeX

jimbis wrote: »

Majority of part worn tyres come from Germany, their minimum thread depth is higher than ours (3mm I think) but being Germans they tend to change them well before that.

Incorrect. Its 1.6mm, same as here. Thats a sales pitch often used by part worn tyre merchants. Im sure they assume customers who havent reserched the known dangers of part worn tyres are hardly going to research minimum thread depths in Germany.