DART attack last night

Del.Monte

Effects wrote: »

Dear CEO,
You need to do something about the scourge of graffiti on trains.
Heed my warning or some day a gang of youths will pull the emergency stop, block the doors and paint a whole carriage while wood and knife-weilding thugs threaten passengers.
At least my conscience will be clear when this one day comes to pass.
Regards,
Del Monte

Hilarious - why don't you post up some copies of your correspondence with CIE about this matter? I can, but there's little point.

magicbastarder

it took 15 minutes for the first policeman to arrive at the bataclan massacre.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/04/police-praised-for-stopping-london-bridge-attack-in-eight-minutes

read the above, especially the last paragraph. that's in a city where the police are cued up for terrorist attacks. when was the last time we had a terrorist attack in dublin?

IngazZagni

magicbastarder wrote: »

it took 15 minutes for the first policeman to arrive at the bataclan massacre.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/04/police-praised-for-stopping-london-bridge-attack-in-eight-minutes

read the above, especially the last paragraph. that's in a city where the police are cued up for terrorist attacks. when was the last time we had a terrorist attack in dublin?

Those responses simply were not acceptable and will have been much improved since. Even so having 50 armed officers arrive within 12 minutes sounds pretty good compared to 2 probably unarmed guards in 15. Just because we have not had a major terrorist attack here in recent times is no excuse for us to be unprepared and have lax response times.

In a way this incident may be a good thing by helping focus minds on the fact that these people that do graffiti are anything but "artists" as some people call them. They are low life criminal thugs who cause millions of euro in damage every year at the taxpayers expense.

Credit to Irish Rail were it's due however. Graffiti attacks are common on trains here but mostly on out of service ones. Irish Rail removes this very quickly so much so that they often don't even enter service before it's removed. Shame they don't do the same about the walls along their tracks and that's were I'm going to give LUAS a huge amount of credit. They seem to have a permanent graffiti removal team and the walls along the line are cleaned regularly except were they do not own them so well done to them.

Roy Batty

Roy Batty wrote: »

How on earth can this happen in a modern European capital city ??

Happens all the time in mainland europe..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Lm0dkkVAw

Effects

Del.Monte wrote: »

Hilarious - why don't you post up some copies of your correspondence with CIE about this matter? I can, but there's little point.

I'd actually like to see you correspondence.
I've spoken with people in CIE but they have no idea of the mindset of people who do graffiti and don't care to know.

Effects

IngazZagni wrote: »

Shame they don't do the same about the walls along their tracks and that's were I'm going to give LUAS a huge amount of credit.

It's a huge ongoing cost. Clean stations of graffiti but leave the walls between stations.
Unless you clean it off within a couple of days it's not really a deterrent.

IngazZagni

Effects wrote: »

It's a huge ongoing cost. Clean stations of graffiti but leave the walls between stations.
Unless you clean it off within a couple of days it's not really a deterrent.

Then clean it off within days just as the Luas operators do and it works as a deterrent. You are basically tolerating crime with that attitude.

We won't stop it completly but it will be a big help. We also won't ever stop people littering completly so should we just stop cleaning it up? I'm sorry if I want higher standards for our city.

Del.Monte

At the risk of exciting Effects I have also corresponded with Luas and others about graffiti. Sometimes with success - Luas Beechwood Stop Cafe - and others (Charlemont Hilton Hotel) with less success. When I first contacted the Hilton they rectified the problem and removed the graffiti, but as I live down the country my trips over the Luas are infrequent and the Hilton is now in an awful state...:(

Graffiti must be removed ASAP, ideally within 24 hours.

http://irishrailways.blogspot.ie/2009/04/luas-crumbling-edge-of-quality.html

http://irishrailways.blogspot.ie/2009/05/now-you-see-it-now-you-dont.html

whisky_galore

Stephen15 wrote: »

Working class kids wouldn't have the money to buy spray paint.

The 'working class' that don't work, you mean?

n!ghtmancometh

Brother is a guard in an inner city Dublin station. They have at best maybe 2 patrol cars and four or five regular response/beat Gardai per shift on duty, (including the jailer/member in charge who obviously has the stay in the station) on duty most nights. A serious call in the district takes both those cars and cover has to come farther from other areas. ARU are mobile and could have been out on the other side of the city or tied up on another serious call, again taking time to reach the scene. That's how this happens. This isn't New York like.

Effects

n!ghtmancometh wrote: »

This isn't New York like.

Of course this isn't New York, because this is what's happening in NY at the moment, regularly.

Odelay

Well, at least it's good to see them planning, using forward thinking and most importantly working as a team.

Effects

Odelay wrote: »

Well, at least it's good to see them planning, using forward thinking and most importantly working as a team.

Except forward thinking just 3 weeks ahead of present time.

Arcade_Tryer

Effects wrote: »

Of course this isn't New York, because this is what's happening in NY at the moment, regularly.

That looks amazing.

Del.Monte

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

That looks amazing.

That looks like vandalism and the perpertrators should be made clean it off with their tongues.

whisky_galore

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

That looks amazing.

It looks like barely legible sh!t.

magicbastarder

i'm a bit bemused at the focus on the graffiti aspect. that was quite minor compared to the violence (threatened or real).

GM228

From attacking DARTs to attacking the signals.

https://independent.ie/irish-news/two-arrested-after-vandals-damage-irish-rail-equipment-causing-major-delays-36900159.html

Stephen15

GM228 wrote: »

From attacking DARTs to attacking the signals.

https://independent.ie/irish-news/two-arrested-after-vandals-damage-irish-rail-equipment-causing-major-delays-36900159.html

Likely travellers robbing cable. Their just being called 'vandals' to be politically correct.

Jamie2k9

GM228 wrote: »

From attacking DARTs to attacking the signals.

https://independent.ie/irish-news/two-arrested-after-vandals-damage-irish-rail-equipment-causing-major-delays-36900159.html

Released without charge...

whisky_galore

Stephen15 wrote: »

Likely travellers robbing cable. Their just being called 'vandals' to be politically correct.

Maybe they were 'travelling criminals'....latest media euphemism.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

devnull wrote: »

If you think Clongriffin is bad clearly you live a very sheltered life - there are many far worse areas of Dublin!

And?

I always find it illogical when people use this type of argument in a debate. What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

Comparing downwards always makes the current entity look great. This is a false victory.

Iceland doesn't have a rail system. Should we stop developing our own rail system because ours is so much better than theirs?

Ireland is 56 on the Crime Index by Country, Venezuela is 1st. Should we halt all Gardai stations because our crime rate is so much better than theirs?

Of course not.

We should be aiming towards Switzerland's rail system.
We should be aiming towards Japan's crime index.

Compare upwards, not downwards.

Stephen15

JasonS246 wrote: »

And?

I always find it illogical when people use this type of argument in a debate. What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

Comparing downwards always makes the current entity look great. This is a false victory.

Iceland doesn't have a rail system. Should we stop developing our own rail system because ours is so much better than theirs?

Ireland is 56 on the Crime Index by Country, Venezuela is 1st. Should we halt all Gardai stations because our crime rate is so much better than theirs?

Of course not.

We should be aiming towards Switzerland's rail system.
We should be aiming towards Japan's crime index.

Compare upwards, not downwards.

I think that the OP was making the valid point that Clongriffin is not an underclass kip like another OP said. I don't see what Japan's crime rate or Switzerland's rail system has got to do with anything.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

Stephen15 wrote: »

I think that the OP was making the valid point that Clongriffin is not an underclass kip like another OP said. I don't see what Japan's crime rate or Switzerland's rail system has got to do with anything.

It is not a valid point.

Clongriffin must look to be better than what it is now. Less vandalism, less litter, less anti-social behaviour etc.. etc..

Clongriffin must not say: It's worse over there so we're good enough.

devnull

I have to admit that I was in Clongriffin for the first time in about 18 months yesterday and the station looks far worse and in much poorer condition than it was with all the smashed glass and replacement panels and run down enterance.

josip

Deleted User wrote: »

Happens all the time in mainland europe..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Lm0dkkVAw

Why the f**k is this video still up on YouTube?
Why haven't Berlin Transport whoever requested YouTube to take it down?
And if YouTube continue to provide a platform for videos depicting illegal activities.
These c**nts get their kicks from views.
(Excuse the French, I get annoyed easily by graffiti and vandalism.)

Infini

devnull wrote: »

I have to admit that I was in Clongriffin for the first time in about 18 months yesterday and the station looks far worse and in much poorer condition than it was with all the smashed glass and replacement panels and run down enterance.

It's not much of a suprise to be honest. The place is the way it is because of lack of Gardai around, its isolated and there's no staff in the station. The Junction is hardly any better.

Only way this will ever change is more police presence and a more severe clamping down on the scrote's that plague the area with their BS.

devnull

Infini wrote: »

devnull wrote: »

I have to admit that I was in Clongriffin for the first time in about 18 months yesterday and the station looks far worse and in much poorer condition than it was with all the smashed glass and replacement panels and run down enterance.

It's not much of a suprise to be honest. The place is the way it is because of lack of Gardai around, its isolated and there's no staff in the station. The Junction is hardly any better.

Only way this will ever change is more police presence and a more severe clamping down on the scrote's that plague the area with their BS.

But it must have got worse in the last 18 months. One of my friends used to live there until 18 months ago and she never had a bother at all living there two years!

Conchir

devnull wrote: »

But it must have got worse in the last 18 months. One of my friends used to live there until 18 months ago and she never had a bother at all living there two years!

Clongriffin is my local station (along with Bayside). It’s been the way it is for a long time, at least the 18 months you say but I feel like it might be longer, I can’t quite remember. The station itself is a dump, as is the stairs up to it from the Baldoyle side. The panels that make up the stairs are often caved in and in need of replacement, it often feels quite dodgy walking on them.

devnull

Conchir wrote: »

devnull wrote: »

But it must have got worse in the last 18 months. One of my friends used to live there until 18 months ago and she never had a bother at all living there two years!

Clongriffin is my local station (along with Bayside). It’s been the way it is for a long time, at least the 18 months you say but I feel like it might be longer, I can’t quite remember. The station itself is a dump, as is the stairs up to it from the Baldoyle side. The panels that make up the stairs are often caved in and in need of replacement, it often feels quite dodgy walking on them.

I agree the Baldoyle side has always been a magnet. I remember the glass all being see through and nothing broken last time I went through the main enterance. Now it's got smashes everywhere and stuff boarded up and pictures covering it up. Even the front looks a mess now.

H3llR4iser

The station in Clongriffin has been like that for a little longer than a year now, might indeed be 18 months or whereabouts.
I still live there and in general terms I haven't really noticed an increase in troublesome behaviour in the area; it's not like you hear idiots screaming, partying and generally being disruptive in the middle of week nights (like I did experience in parts of Cork and other areas of Dublin).

Most of the antisocial behaviour is confined to the more secluded areas (the park and indeed the "Baldoyle-side" of the station) and, from what I can see, performed by teens sometimes as young as 12-13 years old. During the summer months I've also ran into small groups of "study holiday kids" (mostly Italian or Spanish) squatting in the station and drinking alcohol; In all fairness they seemed otherwise harmless and didn't strike me as they were going to smash the place to bits - just being teenage-stupid and wasting their parents money away.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

devnull wrote: »

But it must have got worse in the last 18 months. One of my friends used to live there until 18 months ago and she never had a bother at all living there two years!

You are correct. I've detailed it out some over here. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106991413