Rent Prices/Cost of Living off the wall

Gringo180

Average rent prices in Dublin now stands at 2k a month. I would say the vast majority of people working in the city would be on less than 12 or 13 euro per hour, thats around 1600/1800 euro take home pay per month after tax. How on earth are people suppose to afford any sort of decent lifestyle and have a roof over there head as well? Current min wage in the city is €9.55. Absolutely madness when you take into consideration the cost of living.

What a ****hole of a country or a society we have become.

stimpson

Gringo180 wrote: »

How on earth are people suppose to afford any sort of decent lifestyle and have a roof over there head as well?

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Atoms for Peace

stimpson wrote: »

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Ronaldinho

Gringo180 wrote: »

How on earth are people suppose to afford any sort of decent lifestyle and have a roof over there head as well? Current min wage in the city is €9.55. Absolutely madness when you take into consideration the cost if living.

What a ****hole of a country or a society we have become.

Your standards sound too high. You can get a place for 400 pm no bother - you just share.

with 20 other people in a house

Not saying you're wrong but the average is a useful indicator of a city, but irrelevant when it comes to min wage workers.

SEPT 23 1989

I worked two jobs after my first child was born to pay rent and put food on the table it's not easy but that's just life

Grayson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not saying you're wrong but the average is a useful indicator of a city, but irrelevant when it comes to min wage workers.

But it is an indicator of what they can afford. A young couple has feck all chance of renting together. And if they did they'd never get a mortgage together.

Past generations could get a deposit together whilst renting. There's feck all chance of that now. Plus the average dubliner spends something like 50-60% on rent. That's really going to reduce their disposable income

Gringo180

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I worked two jobs after my first child was born to pay rent and put food on the table it's not easy but that's just life

So when did u get to spend time with your family?

jimmycrackcorm

You don't have to spend your whole life working for minimum wage.

Franz Von Peppercorn

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

You don't have to spend your whole life working for minimum wage.

Some people do.

kneemos

We'll need 76,000 extra workers to cure the crisis apparently.
They'll also need somewhere to live along with our projected population increase.

Hardly any improvement anytime soon.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-doesnt-enough-skilled-construction-11272471

Gringo180

kneemos wrote: »

We'll need 76,000 extra workers to cure the crisis apparently.
They'll also need somewhere to live along with our projected population increase.

Hardly any improvement anytime soon.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-doesnt-enough-skilled-construction-11272471

How many men of working age are on the dole? Maybe an increase in minimum wage and an improvement in workers rights would entice them back to work.

kneemos

Gringo180 wrote: »

How many men of working age are on the dole? Maybe an increase in minimum wage and an improvement in workers rights would entice them back to work.

Probably little or none with the required skills or they'd already be working.

doolox

The reality is that married couples with families cannot afford to live in Dublin unless they were lucky enough to own their own house 15 yrs ago, got a big inheritance towards a house, have good jobs ( management level at least) or are willing to share with others.

This is the way for most low paid or min wage jobs in Dublin. They are mostly done by people living at home with parents or who have obtained local authority housing on the basis of being unemployed or on very low hours or money.

Most are living near their work and do not have cars or high fuel bills to contend with as they could not afford them. No job nearby means going on the dole or changing sectors to get a nearby job. Cutting costs is their highest goal.

Anyone without an economic link to Dublin or a need to be living in Dublin would be far better off getting out of it and buying a much cheaper house in the rural parts of Ireland.

I see this happening in my neighbourhood, 40 yrs built and the adult owners are retiring but have adult children still living with them. Many do childminding and keep lodgers to keep costs down. Others have two incomes and others are builders who do up the houses themselves after buying them cheaper than new builds. Other lucky people have built a second house on the big gardens on the end of terrace houses. Most people buying now have to think in terms of more than one job each to afford the high costs.

In the last 10 to 15 yrs the zones around the high cost cities has grown enormously. Dublin can include Offaly, Westmeath and Laois in the commuting belt. Wicklow, Louth and Kildare were always in there as dear places to live.
High cost areas around Galway now stretches to Ballinasloe, Gort and Tuam encompassing most of the county east of Spiddle and Oughterard and Moycullen as well.

The Government will have to look at providing housing for junior staff members in their payroll like years ago when Nurses had halls of residence, Guards were in Barracks and teachers were mostly nuns and brothers in convents and monasteries. A place to live will probably be have to be linked to your job or the won't get many takers of low paid jobs in high cost areas.

Bitches Be Trypsin

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I worked two jobs after my first child was born to pay rent and put food on the table it's not easy but that's just life

That doesn't make it ok or right.

Gringo180

Bitches Be Trypsin wrote: »

That doesn't make it ok or right.

Exactly. Working two jobs is having absolutely ZERO quality of life.

Pugzilla

Just move out of Dublin. Plenty of small cities/ large towns with superior quality of life in Ireland.

Gringo180

kneemos wrote: »

Probably little or none with the required skills or they'd already be working.

But min wage jobs I am talking about. Raise it and you will entice people off the dole. Not making excuses but I can see why some choose to stay on the dole. Working min wage is about 360 per week after tax. Take into account lunches, transport costs you are lucky to be earning an extra 120 euro for 40 hours than sitting at home scratching the hole off yourself.

Wheeliebin30

There’s plenty on minimum wage or not even working living in town.

The_Brood

Pugzilla wrote: »

Just move out of Dublin. Plenty of small cities/ large towns with superior quality of life in Ireland.

Good luck finding a job with that strategy.

I wonder, is there a country in the Western world with a worse housing shortage and crisis?

It does get highlighted in the media, but the truth is politicians absolutely do not treat it as an urgent problem. People aren't putting enough pressure on them, there's no real major protests over the issue.

It's absolute madness beyond anything conceivable.

Grayson

The_Brood wrote: »

Good luck finding a job with that strategy.

I wonder, is there a country in the Western world with a worse housing shortage and crisis?

It does get highlighted in the media, but the truth is politicians absolutely do not treat it as an urgent problem. People aren't putting enough pressure on them, there's no real major protests over the issue.

It's absolute madness beyond anything conceivable.

Yeah. I'm a tech worker. I'm skilled in incident and problem management. There's next to never jobs away from Dublin. The last one I saw was in Kerry. It would have involved hours driving to see family in Mayo or Friends who mainly live in Dublin. I'd be easier to see my family if I lived in the UK near an airport.

And that was the only job I've seen in the last two years outside Dublin. The same is true for a lot of skilled workers. Especially in anything related to tech, science and engineering. Sure there are some jobs but the majority are in Dublin.

Wheeliebin30

The_Brood wrote: »

Good luck finding a job with that strategy.

I wonder, is there a country in the Western world with a worse housing shortage and crisis?

It does get highlighted in the media, but the truth is politicians absolutely do not treat it as an urgent problem. People aren't putting enough pressure on them, there's no real major protests over the issue.

It's absolute madness beyond anything conceivable.

Most of Europe has a worst crisis.

Graces7

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Most of Europe has a worst crisis.

Very true. Look up any European country Same pattern

ted1

Gringo180 wrote: »

Average rent prices in Dublin now stands at 2k a month. I would say the vast majority of people working in the city would be on less than 12 or 13 euro per hour, thats around 1600/1800 euro take home pay per month after tax. How on earth are people suppose to afford any sort of decent lifestyle and have a roof over there head as well? Current min wage in the city is €9.55. Absolutely madness when you take into consideration the cost of living.

What a ****hole of a country or a society we have become.

That rent is for a multi unit dwelling so that’s either for a family or for 2-5 people to share.

Also someone earning minimum wage will get rent allowance or HAP. ITs the poor lads working in mid 30k that’ll struggle. The lower end are looked after by the state

ted1

Grayson wrote: »

The_Brood wrote: »

Good luck finding a job with that strategy.

I wonder, is there a country in the Western world with a worse housing shortage and crisis?

It does get highlighted in the media, but the truth is politicians absolutely do not treat it as an urgent problem. People aren't putting enough pressure on them, there's no real major protests over the issue.

It's absolute madness beyond anything conceivable.

Yeah. I'm a tech worker. I'm skilled in incident and problem management. There's next to never jobs away from Dublin. The last one I saw was in Kerry. It would have involved hours driving to see family in Mayo or Friends who mainly live in Dublin. I'd be easier to see my family if I lived in the UK near an airport.

And that was the only job I've seen in the last two years outside Dublin. The same is true for a lot of skilled workers. Especially in anything related to tech, science and engineering. Sure there are some jobs but the majority are in Dublin.

In fairness that’s a random skill you need to reskill

ted1

Gringo180 wrote: »

kneemos wrote: »

We'll need 76,000 extra workers to cure the crisis apparently.
They'll also need somewhere to live along with our projected population increase.

Hardly any improvement anytime soon.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-doesnt-enough-skilled-construction-11272471

How many men of working age are on the dole? Maybe an increase in minimum wage and an improvement in workers rights would entice them back to work.

Workers in Ireland have plenty of rights. They need to cut the incentives for not working.

Samuel T. Cogley

You live further out and commute OP. Now it sucks because our infrastructure is pretty poor but thems the breaks.

Richard Hillman

Now we have things like Sugar Taxes and Minimum Priced Alcohol to deal with. You're basically just working to survive. What's the point anymore?

Vela

The_Brood wrote: »

Good luck finding a job with that strategy.

I wonder, is there a country in the Western world with a worse housing shortage and crisis?

It does get highlighted in the media, but the truth is politicians absolutely do not treat it as an urgent problem. People aren't putting enough pressure on them, there's no real major protests over the issue.

It's absolute madness beyond anything conceivable.

Seattle and Vancouver are both pretty bad at this point. A serious lack of housing and rents are getting higher and higher, not to mention the cost of buying.

Samuel T. Cogley

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Now we have things like Sugar Taxes and Minimum Priced Alcohol to deal with. You're basically just working to survive. What's the point anymore?

Stop eatin' ****e, drinking and smoking and you'll be amazed how much money you have and how much better you feel.

Wanderer78

All hail the market, the market, hail!