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  • #272
    TheIrishGrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    That was my post. Was meant to be ironic but should have made that clear. No offence meant and apologies if it did cause offence.


  • #273
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Still nobody has figured out what to do once we end "mass" immigration I see.

    The OP says we're in trouble with those who are currently here. The geniuses here can only parrot the same things over and over but have yet to come up with any solutions.


  • #274
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    The geniuses here can only parrot the same things over and over but have yet to come up with any solutions.

    In a few years, the problem will not be what will we do with them but what will they do with us? Name a situation in history where the out going minority went quietly and well accommodated and had their culture and national insurance paid for...


  • #275
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    In a few years, the problem will not be what will we do with them but what will they do with us? Name a situation in history where the out going minority went quietly and well accommodated and had their culture and national insurance paid for...


    Yes yes, disaster porn for everyone.



    What's the solution? We shut down the borders, you have to show your ancestry going by 5 generations is nothing but ginger, pale, Irishfolk to get into the country. Now what?


    Maybe I'm just not seeing the bigger picture but ****posting on the internet about how Europe is dead isn't helping. Maybe I'll whine about people calling me racist, that's a neat trick.


  • #276
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Yes yes, disaster porn for everyone.



    What's the solution? We shut down the borders, you have to show your ancestry going by 5 generations is nothing but ginger, pale, Irishfolk to get into the country. Now what?


    Maybe I'm just not seeing the bigger picture but ****posting on the internet about how Europe is dead isn't helping. Maybe I'll whine about people calling me racist, that's a neat trick.

    That is exactly what is happening. We are killing our youth, men are refusing to raise their kids, the family units are being destroyed, we are going to extraordinary lengths to conceive children and our birth rate is beyond replacement rate. Give it another generation and we will be in Terminal decline and we will be like Azerbaijani ...... a stateless people who the world forgot


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  • #277
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,811 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Give it another generation and we will be in Terminal decline and we will be like Azerbaijani ...... a stateless people who the world forgot

    It has apparently escaped your notice that Azerbaijan is a state.


  • #278
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭fash


    BabyCheeses wrote: »

    What's the solution? We shut down the borders, you have to show your ancestry going by 5 generations is nothing but ginger, pale, Irishfolk to get into the country. Now what?.
    Why build straw man “what to do” scenarios?
    Why not: in policy terms, be conscious of the integratability of migrants and the ability of society to absorb migrants when determining policy and rules.
    Preference local solutions to refugee crises rather than solutions of importing refugees.
    Etc.


  • #279
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    It has apparently escaped your notice that Azerbaijan is a state.

    Azerbaijan was a state that was over run by Turks and liquidated and resettled by Turks. As seen in The Ottoman Lieutenant (2017). Of course there are deniers that the Genocide ever took place. The Orthodox church was run out of it and the survivors got refuge in the United States where they maintain their identity


  • #280
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,811 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Azerbaijan was a state that was over run by Turks and liquidated and resettled by Turks. As seen in The Ottoman Lieutenant (2017). Of course there are deniers that the Genocide ever took place. The Orthodox church was run out of it and the survivors got refuge in the United States where they maintain their identity

    Maybe you should explain to the good people of Baku that they're not, in fact, Azerbaijani (make sure to tell them you know this because you watched a movie).

    Let us know how you get on.


  • #281
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Maybe you should explain to the good people of Baku that they're not, in fact, Azerbaijani (make sure to tell them you know this because you watched a movie).

    Just because a dog sneaks into a manger doesnt make him a cow. There is a massive denial that massacre happened. Just because I referenced a movie doesnt mean I wasnt following it before. I was opening it up for other people to take an interest. Turks are just the lapdogs of the Sauds. Once they cant work out they cant repay the Sauds for their crazy infrastructure builds they will know then what it is like to deal with tough customers.


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  • #282
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭fash


    Armenians are not Azerbaijani...


  • #283
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    fash wrote: »
    Armenians are not Azerbaijani...

    Actually thank you for correcting my mistake. Anthony Bourdain did a wonderful documentary on where the Armenian Diaspora are now and how they have suffered under the Turks and the Soviets.


  • #284
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    correct horse battery staple wrote: »
    Not only is it a state but a rather secular state (much more secular than Ireland is for that matter, points at the Catholic Church carry on) thanks to its soviet anti religion legacy.

    But @skooterblue2 do carry on, maybe consider seeing more of the world and spending less time behind a computer.

    Actually I corrected myself and admitted I was wrong. Nice touch on telling me I havent travelled the world considering I have a disability which makes it difficult for me to travel however I do love hosting people from other countries and I learned from them about their stories. I met loads of interesting people from America, China, Japan and Europe (There is the racist theory gone out the window.). The only reason I stopped is because of a change of living circumstances.


  • #285
    IAmTheReign
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭IAmTheReign


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Maybe you should explain to the good people of Baku that they're not, in fact, Azerbaijani (make sure to tell them you know this because you watched a movie).

    Just because a dog sneaks into a manger doesnt make him a cow. There is a massive denial that massacre happened. Just because I referenced a movie doesnt mean I wasnt following it before. I was opening it up for other people to take an interest. Turks are just the lapdogs of the Sauds. Once they cant work out they cant repay the Sauds for their crazy infrastructure builds they will know then what it is like to deal with tough customers.
    There is no "massive denial" that the Armenian genocide happened! The only people who deny it happened are the Turkish government and they regularly face calls to acknowledge it. When Martin Shultz was president of the EU parliament he said publicly that formal acknowledgment of the Armenian genocide should be a precondition to Turkeys accession to the EU.
    And by the way Armenians are not stateless. Armenia, like Azerbaijan, is also a country. They actually border each other.


  • #286
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    IAmTheReign wrote: »
    There is no "massive denial" that the Armenian genocide happened! The only people who deny it happened are the Turkish government and they regularly face calls to acknowledge it. When Martin Shultz was president of the EU parliament he said publicly that formal acknowledgment of the Armenian genocide should be a precondition to Turkeys accession to the EU.
    And by the way Armenians are not stateless. Armenia, like Azerbaijan, is also a country. They actually border each other.

    Well if you were run out of your country and could not return for fear of your life and your property was seized and your culture was erased ....... that sounds like being stateless.


  • #287
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Well if you were run out of your country and could not return for fear of your life and your property was seized and your culture was erased ....... that sounds like being stateless.

    No, being stateless mean you don't have citizenship in any country. Words have meanings, you can't just say they mean something else.

    What you describe is ethnic cleansing, not statelessness. Now, one very often follows the other, e.g. the Rohinga are a stateless group who are being ethnic cleansed, but they are 2 different terms.


  • #288
    IAmTheReign
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭IAmTheReign


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    IAmTheReign wrote: »
    There is no "massive denial" that the Armenian genocide happened! The only people who deny it happened are the Turkish government and they regularly face calls to acknowledge it. When Martin Shultz was president of the EU parliament he said publicly that formal acknowledgment of the Armenian genocide should be a precondition to Turkeys accession to the EU.
    And by the way Armenians are not stateless. Armenia, like Azerbaijan, is also a country. They actually border each other.

    Well if you were run out of your country and could not return for fear of your life and your property was seized and your culture was erased ....... that sounds like being stateless.
    Ethnic Armenians make up 98% of the population of Armenia. Claiming they're stateless when they make up the overwhelming majority of the population is a bit silly.

    What you described happening to the Armenians could be describing what happened in Ireland under British rule and there's far more people claiming Irish ancestry worldwide than Armenian. Does that mean Irish people are stateless?


  • #289
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    wes wrote: »
    No, being stateless mean you don't have citizenship in any country. Words have meanings, you can't just say they mean something else.

    What you describe is ethnic cleansing, not statelessness. Now, one very often follows the other, e.g. the Rohinga are a stateless group who are being ethnic cleansed, but they are 2 different terms.

    I agree but the rohingya well...... they have a terrorist group and are up to their usual things like interfeering with women and children. They are Bangledeshi muslims not burmhase. You can't be upt o that sort of stuff and not expect consequences and repercussions.


  • #290
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    I agree but the rohingya well...... they have a terrorist group and are up to their usual things like interfeering with women and children. They are Bangledeshi muslims not burmhase. You can't be upt o that sort of stuff and not expect consequences and repercussions.

    None of that is true, however. The "terrorist group" was the response to decades of oppression by the burmese government.


  • #291
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    I agree but the rohingya well...... they have a terrorist group and are up to their usual things like interfeering with women and children. They are Bangledeshi muslims not burmhase. You can't be upt o that sort of stuff and not expect consequences and repercussions.

    The hypocrisy is stunning. It really is. Wow, just wow.

    The "terrorist" group only emerged after decades of them being stateless, and after the Burmese army engaged in ethnic cleansing. The claims about them interfering with Women and Children, were lies made up to justify there ethnic cleansing. Also, there not Bangladeshi, another lie to justify there ethnic cleansing. BTW, these kinds of lies were used against the Armenians during the end of World War 1, and here you are repeating another set of lies about another group. Quite frankly your no better than people you are complaining about.

    The sheer gall of your hypocrisy is something else, it really is. You repeat nasty racist lies to justify ethnic cleansing. Its takes a special kind of evil to repeat this crap, and then there is the fact you can't even get basic facts right, like which group your are talking about or even the meaning of words.

    Seriously, you need to do better.


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  • #292
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,592 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Still nobody has figured out what to do once we end "mass" immigration I see.

    The OP says we're in trouble with those who are currently here. The geniuses here can only parrot the same things over and over but have yet to come up with any solutions.

    The problem is mass immigration from outside the EU. Ending mass immigration is the solution. Your claim that 'nobody has figured out what to do' post mass immigration implies that ending a policy which has been disastrous for Europeans is somehow a problem in and of itself.

    It isnt. There will still be other problems after mass immigration is ended. They will still require their own solutions. But they will be easier to solve without all the problems mass immigration has brought.


  • #293
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Sand wrote: »
    The problem is mass immigration from outside the EU. Ending mass immigration is the solution. Your claim that 'nobody has figured out what to do' post mass immigration implies that ending a policy which has been disastrous for Europeans is somehow a problem in and of itself.

    It isnt. There will still be other problems after mass immigration is ended. They will still require their own solutions. But they will be easier to solve without all the problems mass immigration has brought.


    What are those problems and how will they be solved?



    Again, feeling like I'm the only person that has read the OP.

    it will take only two generations for the current Muslim population (sitting at about 10-percent) to have as many grandchildren as post-Christian secularists


    For those in the back:
    the current Muslim population

    It's like talking to machines with automated responses. Once the end mass immigration option is used up they get stuck on a loop.


  • #294
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,592 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    What are those problems and how will they be solved?



    Again, feeling like I'm the only person that has read the OP.





    For those in the back:


    It's like talking to machines with automated responses. Once the end mass immigration option is used up they get stuck on a loop.

    Yeah, you missed/ignored the earlier discussion about part of the problem being that modern European society has created a series of disincentives to Europeans having children. There is no easy answers there but mass immigration is part of the problem, not the solution.

    That 10% of the population will have the same number of grandchildren as the remaining 90% of the population shows there is a deep problem with the 90% that need to be addressed.

    But carry on with your rant. Its clear you've no actual interest in a genuine discussion.


  • #295
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    wes wrote: »
    The claims about them interfering with Women and Children, were lies made up to justify there ethnic cleansing. Also, there not Bangladeshi, another lie to justify there ethnic cleansing.

    Isnt that the same thing the same thing that is happening in Northern England? Interfering with the women and children ........ its all made up? My Girl friend was doing her jury duty and there was a case in court of a Turkish man who sexually assaulted and Irish woman in Dublin in her own apartment and then there was a down and out Tyler who robbed a house in Dublin 2 on St Stephens day some years back. Which story has more gravitas but guess which one was covered in the Media?


  • #296
    IAmTheReign
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭IAmTheReign


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    wes wrote: »
    The claims about them interfering with Women and Children, were lies made up to justify there ethnic cleansing. Also, there not Bangladeshi, another lie to justify there ethnic cleansing.

    Isnt that the same thing the same thing that is happening in Northern England? Interfering with the women and children ........ its all made up? My Girl friend was doing her jury duty and there was a case in court of a Turkish man who sexually assaulted and Irish woman in Dublin in her own apartment  and then there was a down and out Tyler who robbed a house in Dublin 2 on St Stephens day some years back. Which story has more gravitas but guess which one was covered in the Media?
    What has what happened in Northern England got to do with ethnic cleansing in Burma?

    Just so I'm totally clear on your position you're saying what happened the genocide in Armenia was bad because it was Turkish Muslims killing Christians, but you're fine with Burmese Buddhists killing the Rohingya because they're Muslims?


  • #297
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Sand wrote: »
    Yeah, you missed/ignored the earlier discussion about part of the problem being that modern European society has created a series of disincentives to Europeans having children. There is no easy answers there but mass immigration is part of the problem, not the solution.

    That 10% of the population will have the same number of grandchildren as the remaining 90% of the population shows there is a deep problem with the 90% that need to be addressed.

    But carry on with your rant. Its clear you've no actual interest in a genuine discussion.

    You want incentives to promote one group to outbreed another within 2 generations? How would one qualify for these benefits? If a black person lives here all their life, fully embraces Irish culture, marries an Irish person you want measures put in place to prevent them from having children while a polish couple who don't embrace Irish culture gets everything because they are white? I can understand why you are worried about being a minority with your stance on how minorities should be treated.

    What should people be doing to begin the ethnic cleansing in time? What political parties should I be supporting?

    I'm all for genuine discussion, the problem is that whenever I try to talk to you people all I get is complaining and human rights abuses.


  • #298
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,592 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    You want incentives to promote one group to outbreed another within 2 generations?
    Sand wrote: »
    That 10% of the population will have the same number of grandchildren as the remaining 90% of the population shows there is a deep problem with the 90% that need to be addressed.
    But carry on with your rant. Its clear you've no actual interest in a genuine discussion.

    Thank you for demonstrating my point.


  • #299
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Isnt that the same thing the same thing that is happening in Northern England? Interfering with the women and children ........ its all made up?

    What does that have to do with Myanmar? You present a racist lie, and are called on it, and now you engage in whataboutism. Pathetic.

    Why do you support genocide of the Rohinga? Explain your self please! Even if what your saying was true, does that justify genocide? Well, I have news for you plenty of groups in the UK engaging in pedophilia, including rich and famous people, MPs, and all kinds of people. Is genocide now ok against all British people, or just the groups you hate?

    So do you think genocide against Christians the world over is ok as well, considering the world wide abuse by the Catholic church? That is the logic your using here, genocide is ok, if someone that share some similarity with the victim of genocide has done something awful anywhere in the world. By your logic, pretty much every group can be targeted for genocide.
    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    My Girl friend was doing her jury duty and there was a case in court of a Turkish man who sexually assaulted and Irish woman in Dublin in her own apartment and then there was a down and out Tyler who robbed a house in Dublin 2 on St Stephens day some years back. Which story has more gravitas but guess which one was covered in the Media?

    Wow, even more whataboutism. What does that have to do with what I was talking about? Come on now explain yourself, and your nonsense.

    Again, care to explain your support of genocide against the Rohinga and while decrying genocide against Armenians? Care to explain the relevance to anything I posted, or address what I said, as opposed to trying to justify genocide?

    As I said before, what your saying is pure evil, and anyone who justifies genocide are truly evil people. Sorry, but your post are some of the worst example of disgusting racism on here.


  • #300
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    If the white christian minority become an even smaller minority, such is life on planet Earth. Any moves to actively encroach upon the civil liberties, human rights of one group, to favour the numbers of another, more preferable group, would be the epitome of racism.


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  • #301
    Gravelly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    If the white christian minority become an even smaller minority, such is life on planet Earth. Any moves to actively encroach upon the civil liberties, human rights of one group, to favour the numbers of another, more preferable group, would be the epitome of racism.
    Personally I think the world could do with less Christians in power.

    Yes, because Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan etc. are such wonderful places to live. Perhaps you should move there, you wouldn't have to worry about any of those nasty white christians wielding any power over you.


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