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    #242
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Maybe you should’ve skipped that AMA?

    Rather that deleting posts in most cases the law would probably be adhered to by having an unique per thread username for deleted users. Not a huge technical challenge except for the quoting system not being perfect yet.


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    #243
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    They could argue that it harms their business model severely and that (with the technical fixes I outlined) no identifiable links between the posts and the real life person.


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    #244
    BowSideChamp
    Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭BowSideChamp


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    They could argue that it harms their business model severely and that (with the technical fixes I outlined) no identifiable links between the posts and the real life person.

    Their business is trying to turn a profit off of the users data. When a user withdraws their consent to their data published on the site then GDPR provides that the data needs to be erased. The user has a right to be forgotten.


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    #245
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    BowSideChamp wrote: »
    When a user withdraws their consent to their data published on the site

    Interesting concept.

    Consent to publish is part of the site terms of use that you must agree to before activating an account here.

    Can you legally withdraw that? I genuinely don't know.

    e.g. if you consent to sex (as in akin to what happened in a recent legal case) and have sex, can you withdraw that consent a week or a month or a year later?
    Can you then cry that your right to be anonymous was infringed when you made a conscious decision to post something that might possibly identify you?

    I'm not saying GDPR is good or bad in terms of boards, still undecided there.
    I do agree with Clouds (original founder member) vision that boards will be a resource and a piece of history that can be studied by future generations and so should remain 'as is'.


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    #246
    BowSideChamp
    Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭BowSideChamp


    Steve wrote: »
    Interesting concept.

    Consent to publish is part of the site terms of use that you must agree to before activating an account here.

    Can you legally withdraw that? I genuinely don't know.

    e.g. if you consent to sex (as in akin to what happened in a recent legal case) and have sex, can you withdraw that consent a week or a month or a year later?
    Can you then cry that your right to be anonymous was infringed when you made a conscious decision to post something that might possibly identify you?

    I'm not saying GDPR is good or bad in terms of boards, still undecided there.
    I do agree with Clouds (original founder member) vision that boards will be a resource and a piece of history that can be studied by future generations and so should remain 'as is'.

    Do you notice the amount of emails your getting recently from companies asking you to renew consent for them to use your data?


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    #247
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


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    #248
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    BowSideChamp wrote: »
    Do you notice the amount of emails your getting recently from companies asking you to renew consent for them to use your data?

    No, I'm getting emails that ask me to consent to remain on their mailing list. I actually read them and only agree when I'm happy there are no hidden 'pass-on' clauses.


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    #249
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I presume you know that posting that is a breach of site terms of use and can earn you a permanent site ban.

    You seem to want the rules to apply but only when it suits you.


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    #250
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


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    #251
    BowSideChamp
    Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭BowSideChamp


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Yes, if you can get sued or even charged over what you post online shows you own the data. It is your data.


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    #252
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    BowSideChamp wrote: »
    Their business is trying to turn a profit off of the users data. When a user withdraws their consent to their data published on the site then GDPR provides that the data needs to be erased. The user has a right to be forgotten.

    Identifiable data.


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    #253
    RHJ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭RHJ


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    #254
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    RHJ wrote: »
    How is pointing out the truth worthy of a ban?
    it's you who originally posted that information about yourself. Hopefully, once the regulation is in force you will be able to request that identifiable information is removed permanently.

    He can only do that, if at all, on a closed account.

    You guys realise that right? Provided a business continues to provide a service you agreed to it has the right to the data.


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    #255
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    I agree, it was that one time in band camp...
    It was still with consent tho.
    Similarly, posting information on the internet once shouldn't constitute an agreement to keep it on the internet for the rest of all time. If you posted it, and you own it, you should be able to take it offline at any later point.
    There's the thing, you don't own it, you agreed by signing up here that boards has the right to publish it in perpetuity.

    Read the TOU!! if you don't agree then you can simply not post here!

    Your position in this debate is admirable but is untenable and seems to be driven by resentment for something that you resent from a previous experience here.


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    #256
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    RHJ wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Speculating as to the real life identity of another member is a breach of site terms and may result in a ban.


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    #257
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


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    #258
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


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    #259
    hullaballoo
    Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,726 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    You say this as a matter of absolute fact of law but you are mistaken as I have pointed out previously.

    It's getting to the stage where I'm wondering have you read the material you're relying on? I think you haven't. I don't blame you as it is a serious undertaking to read the GDPR, understand and parse it, then read the Oireachtas Bill, understand, parse and assimilate it, but the arguments you're making out in this thread suggest to me that you've only read a few headlines about the GDPR and have taken them to be the be all and end all of the discussion.

    I would have anticipated in the ordinary course that you would at least have read and understood the regulation itself but this may not be the case according to your posts?


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    #260
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    He can only do that, if at all, on a closed account.

    You guys realise that right? Provided a business continues to provide a service you agreed to it has the right to the data.
    how would this apply to banned accounts i wonder?


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    #261
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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    #262
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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    #263
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    So, at this point in time are you giving boards consent to publish your posts in perpetuity or are you withdrawing said 'consent' in which case your opinion on the matter will be completely and permanently removed?

    Not something I can arrange but seeing as there are admins involved in the thread it may happen.

    Personally, I would prefer if history got to see both sides of the debate.


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    #264
    RHJ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭RHJ


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    #265
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


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    #266
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    I'll ask again: are you giving boards consent to publish your posts in perpetuity?
    Or are you withdrawing said 'consent'.

    Simple yes or no answer will do.

    You can't have it both ways.


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    #267
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


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    #268
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Steve wrote: »
    I'll ask again: are you giving boards consent to publish your posts in perpetuity?
    Or are you withdrawing said 'consent'.

    From article 7 of GDPR: "The data subject shall have the right to withdraw his or her consent at any time".

    So starting next Friday GDPR will simply make the question you are asking illegal for any organisation to ask (if consent is related to personal data of course, the only question here is whether someone's complete posting history constitute personal data under GDPR).

    And even if Permabear was saying yes today, if they came back on Friday to say they withdraw their consent, the commitment you got today would hold no legal value.


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    #269
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    You went from being uncertain about what identifiable is to being certain that every post here is identifiable. It isn’t.

    You did an AMA. That was up to you. You tend to post personal data and that’s also up to you.

    If the username is obstufcated when you close your account boards probably doesn’t have to delete threads.


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    #270
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    Its also a fact that law cannot be retrospective, it will be interesting to see how that evolves.


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    #271
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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