Eir rural FTTH thread II

tsue921i8wljb3 · 12-10-2018 4:20pm

Darwin wrote: »

I saw the K&N vans in our area a few weeks back and I see that FTTH is now available according to Airwire. Sorry for the noob questions, but our phone line duct runs under our driveway to a pole located at the entrance to our house (about 10 metres away). All the telegraph poles are the opposite side of the road, and K&N have mounted the roll of fibre cabling (not sure what the correct term is) outside our neighbours.
I am right in thinking they will run the fibre cable alongside the existing copper cable over the road to our pole and then try to use the copper wire duct under our driveway? We also have a separate duct for ESB cables - could that possibly be used if the phone duct is blocked? Like the previous poster, I really don't want any cabling running overhead at all. Thanks in advance.

You are correct. They will try to follow the copper path. They will not use the ESB ducting as far as I know.

Poulgorm · 12-10-2018 6:17pm

The Eir checker (based on my Eircode) says that FTTH is not available, with no indication when it will become available.

The Airwire checker (again, based on my Eircode) says that it will be available from 7th of next month.

Airwire's data is provided by Eir: how come Eir can't update their own database? Why do their management settle for such incompetence?

Andy From Sligo · 12-10-2018 6:23pm

cnocbui wrote: »

I previously mentioned the WiFi signal strength problem with the Eir modem. I have managed a solution. I had an old Vodafone ADSL modem lying around spare. My son found out that it could be flashed with a Linux based firmware that broke the chains to Vodafone, so he did that and installed LEDE, he then configured it. Now I have the Vodafone router connected to the Eir router via an ethernet cable. The 2.4 Ghz modem in the Eir router has been turned off so we now have 5 Ghz from the Eir router reaching about half the house and a 2.4 Ghz signal from the LEDE router now reaching the whole house.

That was handy that he knew how to do all that. Was the vodafone router a HG659 ?

Andy From Sligo · 12-10-2018 6:25pm

Poulgorm wrote: »

The Eir checker (based on my Eircode) says that FTTH is not available, with no indication when it will become available.

The Airwire checker (again, based on my Eircode) says that it will be available from 7th of next month.

Airwire's data is provided by Eir: how come Eir can't update their own database? Why do their management settle for such incompetence?

I wonder the very same

fritzelly · 12-10-2018 6:34pm

Poulgorm wrote: »

The Eir checker (based on my Eircode) says that FTTH is not available, with no indication when it will become available.

The Airwire checker (again, based on my Eircode) says that it will be available from 7th of next month.

Airwire's data is provided by Eir: how come Eir can't update their own database? Why do their management settle for such incompetence?

Sales don't really have a clue beyond entering your details - they just enter your eircode and it tells them yes or no.
It can be easily checked in UG if and when your eircode is likely to go live (usually a date in the near future or something like 2099 meaning no idea), but access to UG is restricted as its too easy to feck something up and anything done there does not flow back into eir's back end system and it's not the most user friendly interface.

Andy From Sligo · 12-10-2018 6:38pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Sales don't really have a clue beyond entering your details - they just enter your eircode and it tells them yes or no.
It can be easily checked in UG if and when your eircode is likely to go live (usually a date in the near future or something like 2099 meaning no idea), but access to UG is restricted as its too easy to feck something up and anything done there does not flow back into eir's back end system and it's not the most user friendly interface.

Run UG by me again .. I predict it dosent mean UnderGround

fritzelly · 12-10-2018 6:45pm

Unified Gateway

oscarBravo · 12-10-2018 7:20pm

Poulgorm wrote: »

Airwire's data is provided by Eir: how come Eir can't update their own database?

Airwire's data is provided by open eir, who also provide it to eir, as well as to every other retailer.

fritzelly · 12-10-2018 7:35pm

oscarBravo wrote: »

Airwire's data is provided by open eir, who also provide it to eir, as well as to every other retailer.

A mistake lots of people make - same group, completely different companies

oscarBravo · 12-10-2018 7:40pm

fritzelly wrote: »

A mistake lots of people make - same group, completely different companies

Yeah, it's frustrating that open eir didn't get a completely different brand.

cnocbui · 12-10-2018 7:44pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

That was handy that he knew how to do all that. Was the vodafone router a HG659 ?

Something like that - possibly HG665a. It's the white router in the photo. He didn't know how to do it, but he has an IT degree and is very tech literate so he just researched how to do it.

limnam · 12-10-2018 7:50pm

Poulgorm wrote: »

Why do their management settle for such incompetence?

Where do you think the incompetence stems from?

fritzelly · 12-10-2018 7:53pm

oscarBravo wrote: »

Yeah, it's frustrating that open eir didn't get a completely different brand.

Yeah, it's like they looked at BT and thought oooh cool name - we'll be OpenEir.
Would have been far better for a completely different name, then again it is still eircom at the end of the day just to confuse matters even more

tuxy · 12-10-2018 8:11pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Something like that - possibly HG665a. It's the white router in the photo. He didn't know how to do it, but he has an IT degree and is very tech literate so he just researched how to do it.

Looks like a HG556a which is supported by LEDE.
Beats having to buy a wifi access point

Dunne_bkill · 12-10-2018 9:10pm

Seen KN running underground cable along the roads in my village a few weeks back. What stage is this? Haven't seen them since and never got a chance to ask them.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 12-10-2018 9:16pm

Dunne_bkill wrote: »

Seen KN running underground cable along the roads in my village a few weeks back. What stage is this? Haven't seen them since and never got a chance to ask them.

It could be cable or it could be ducting which would then have cable installed into it. Either way I'd think that you're unlikely to be able to order this side of Christmas.

jd · 12-10-2018 9:19pm

Poulgorm wrote: »

Airwire's data is provided by Eir: how come Eir can't update their own database?

Possibly because they let a bunch of people go with VL?

fritzelly · 12-10-2018 9:27pm

jd wrote: »

Possibly because they let a bunch of people go with VL?

Not VL, it's redundancy - about 800 people going/gone in the next coupla months ergo why people are spending an hour listening to OneRepublic trying to get thru to someone

Marlow · 13-10-2018 12:23am

fritzelly wrote: »

Yeah, it's like they looked at BT and thought oooh cool name - we'll be OpenEir.
Would have been far better for a completely different name, then again it is still eircom at the end of the day just to confuse matters even more

No no. They paid a consultant and marketing firm a few millions to just look at BT and copy/fiddle it to create Eir/OpenEIRs new brand.

T'was hillarious at best, what sort of money they paid for that brand change.

Before that, it was "Eircom" and "Eircom Wholesale".

/M

fritzelly · 13-10-2018 12:40am

Marlow wrote: »

No no. They paid a consultant and marketing firm a few millions to just look at BT and copy/fiddle it to create Eir/OpenEIRs new brand.

T'was hillarious at best, what sort of money they paid for that brand change.

Before that, it was "Eircom" and "Eircom Wholesale".

/M

Reminds of when BP paid millions to change their name and all the advertising company did was slant (italicise) the letters. Funny thing is now they've probably paid millions more to lowercase the logo and non italicised!

ED E · 13-10-2018 3:40pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Not VL, it's redundancy - about 800 people going/gone in the next coupla months ergo why people are spending an hour listening to OneRepublic trying to get thru to someone

Are they not rehiring the HCL crews into the inhouse contact teams? Would have assumed a TUPEing for some at least.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 13-10-2018 3:43pm

eir are having some sort of issues today. If anyone is having issues with their connection try changing DNS to 8.8.8.8 or other public servers.

https://www.eir.ie/ currently down

https://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057919647/

limnam · 13-10-2018 4:00pm

Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

eir are having some sort of issues today. If anyone is having issues with their connection try changing DNS to 8.8.8.8 or other public servers.

https://www.eir.ie/ currently down

https://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057919647/

Affecting vdsl also changed DNS earlier today.

Hard to believe ISP's in 2018 can't manage a robust DNS infrastructure

plodder · 13-10-2018 4:00pm

Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

eir are having some sort of issues today. If anyone is having issues with their connection try changing DNS to 8.8.8.8 or other public servers.

https://www.eir.ie/ currently down

https://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057919647/

Seen the same issue in my own place and the parents. Both North Dublin.
Switching DNS from passthru on the router to google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 fixes it.

Marlow · 13-10-2018 4:12pm

limnam wrote: »

Hard to believe ISP's in 2018 can't manage a robust DNS infrastructure

It's actually not as easy as you think. There are a good few ways to exploit DNS servers and also ways of starting DoS reflection attacks using DNS servers.

It's a very old protocol and migration to more modern approaches with certification (DNSSEC) have been slow. Not that they'd remove the issues entirely either.

/M

limnam · 13-10-2018 4:17pm

Marlow wrote: »

It's actually not as easy as you think. There are a good few ways to exploit DNS servers and also ways of starting DoS reflection attacks using DNS servers.

It's a very old protocol and migration to more modern approaches with certification (DNSSEC) have been slow. Not that they'd remove the issues entirely either.

/M

While all that might be true. Google/open dns etc etc seem to be able to do a much better job of it than eir.

Marlow · 13-10-2018 4:21pm

limnam wrote: »

While all that might be true. Google/open dns etc etc seem to be able to do a much better job of it than eir.

Google developed their own complete custom DNS core. And while it certainly has ran extremely stable, they have ulterior motives running a DNS service and making sure it's stable.

By you using their DNS service you're feeding them more ways in pushing marketing your way.

It's your choice of course

The providers generally only run a standard setup for DNS. With no logging of your activities.

/M

limnam · 13-10-2018 4:32pm

Marlow wrote: »

Google developed their own complete custom DNS core. And while it certainly has ran extremely stable, they have ulterior motives running a DNS service and making sure it's stable.

By you using their DNS service you're feeding them more ways in pushing marketing your way.

It's your choice of course

The providers generally only run a standard setup for DNS. With no logging of your activities.

/M

I understand there's a "price" to pay for google's service.

But I'm currently paying Eir 65e a month for a 3MB connection, the least they could do is put some of that into investing in a reliable DNS architecture.

(Or slightly more reliable)

tuxy · 13-10-2018 4:47pm

Cloueflare usually have the best latency in Ireland and they have the cool 1.1.1.1 address. But are they considered even more insecure than using google?
or maybe there is just no way of knowing exactly what these companies do with the data collected.

Marlow · 13-10-2018 4:50pm

tuxy wrote: »

Cloueflare usually have the best latency in Ireland and they have the cool 1.1.1.1 address. But are they considered even more insecure than using google?
or maybe there is just no way of knowing exactly what these companies do with the data collected.

They are a caching service. So no advertising/marketing motives there. The question is if they share the data with somebody.

At the end of the day, DNS is always a question of who you trust. Because if they fettled with the DNS, then you could get send to other places than what was your intention.

OpenDNS is another option, but they are now owned by Cisco .. so ..

/M

Eir rural FTTH thread II

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