Eir rural FTTH thread II

Andy From Sligo

fritzelly wrote: »

End of the day most people don't care what it's called as long as they are getting decent BB
Many people call BB wifi - that's as far as their understanding of the technologies extends.

the other day i said to someone "when i get my fibre to the home installed I should get roughly around 140-150mbps" and they were like "oh is that good is it?" they were on 8mbps ADSL - I said if I went for the the dearer package I could get near on a gigabyte fibre broadband and they said oh yeah that's what I would go for and I am thinking no you wouldnt because your in the village and can only get FTTC at 90mbps - and i tried to explain that but they said thats daft you live outside the village and can get 1gb but we can only get 90mbps or therabouts?? so then I had to explain out the fibre going to the cabinet and the rest going by copper..

Andy From Sligo

fritzelly wrote: »

Duty and import taxes - that's why it's so expensive and takes so long to get it here.
If only people realised what it takes to get it here in the first place :P

theres not even a CE mark on the chinese imported fibre ..

Marlow

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

theres not even a CE mark on the chinese imported fibre ..

CE mostly has to do with RF radiation/noise. There's no RF from light (or fibre)

/M

Andy From Sligo

cnocbui wrote: »

'A watched pot, never boils'

a keep checking when FTTH will become available, never materialises ...

Andy From Sligo

Marlow wrote: »

CE mostly has to do with RF radiation/noise. There's no RF from light (or fibre)

/M

I have Radiator noise on my central heating - .. and still no Fibre

gctest50

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

theres not even a CE mark on the chinese imported fibre ..

Marlow wrote: »

CE mostly has to do with RF radiation/noise. There's no RF from light (or fibre)

/M

Marlow wrote: »

CE mostly has to do with RF radiation/noise.

Fire - Ireland isn't a dumping ground for possibly substandard cables



Construction Products Regulation (EU) No 305/2011 (CPR) of the European Commission all cables that are to be permanently installed in buildings need to be constructed and tested in accordance with the new harmonised standard


No nice CE mark ? tear it all up again


Needs a nice little cert like attached, Angela und friends love the certs


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fritzelly

gctest50 wrote: »

Fire - Ireland isn't a dumping ground for possibly substandard cables

Construction Products Regulation (EU) No 305/2011 (CPR) of the European Commission all cables that are to be permanently installed in buildings need to be constructed and tested in accordance with the new harmonised standard

No nice CE mark ? tear it all up again

Needs a nice little cert like attached, Angela und friends love the certs
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Over the head maybe

Andy From Sligo

fritzelly wrote: »

Over the head maybe

as long as its less than 50m from the nearest pole ...

gctest50

fritzelly wrote: »

Over the head maybe

No, no - a halt will have to be called to new installations

And then all existing installations will all have to be inspected

m99T

gctest50 wrote: »

Fire - Ireland isn't a dumping ground for possibly substandard cables



Construction Products Regulation (EU) No 305/2011 (CPR) of the European Commission all cables that are to be permanently installed in buildings need to be constructed and tested in accordance with the new harmonised standard


No nice CE mark ? tear it all up again


Needs a nice little cert like attached, Angela und friends love the certs


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Well to be fair the CE mark doesn't have to be on the cable, can be on the packages or user guides.

babi-hrse

It's worse than that reading over some providers marketing bulls**t installing fibre ready NTU and there's a picture of a phone socket with built in ADSL filter.
One cannot fault the customer for assumptions when the provider outright blatently lies what is what. But I suspect even the salesperson behind the counter who sell this have no idea what the differences are. Sales are sales. There's always a humourous moment when the installer get escorted to the existing phone socket and told that's were it is and it's wired from the attic not knowing that none of this matters when the actual fibre cable is coming in. Unless it's a 4 pair cat5 cable to route your modem elsewhere there's no point even showing it. But this shows that some people will believe almost anything with enough marketing they've come to believe that copper is fibre. Like copper wiring does not magically transmute into glass cable upon the presence of an installer's arrival.
I wish I could transmute materials.

babi-hrse

Cable coming inside must (not) have any metal parts Kevlar jacket even if it's not strictly metal but the foil inside is or on older cable with steel spine must not enter the premises in the event of a lightning strike hitting the line and conducting into the house and causing a fire. Steel gets left outside and only fibre goes through.
The black insulating jacket must not come in to a living area more than 1m the fumes of black poly during a fire is apparently a great cause for concern.

Edit there's no foil or metal of any sort in current fibre drop
My bad

cnocbui

The cable used for my install has no metal in it whatsoever.

oleras

cnocbui wrote: »

The cable used for my install has no metal in it whatsoever.

They ran pure glass cable ?

Educate yourself.

It kind of got on track a few weeks ago, but this thread is roaring unsubscribe.

oleras

babi-hrse wrote: »

Cable must have any metal parts Kevlar jacket even if it's not strictly metal but the foil inside is or on older cable with steel spine must not enter the premises in the event of a lightning strike hitting the line and conducting into the house and causing a fire. Steel gets left outside and only fibre goes through.
The black insulating jacket must not come in to a living area more than 1m the fumes of black poly during a fire is apparently a great cause for concern.

Did you even read through this before you posted ?

You claim to be an installer ?

fritzelly

cnocbui wrote: »

The cable used for my install has no metal in it whatsoever.

If it's ftth i should hope not

fritzelly

oleras wrote: »

Did you even read through this before you posted ?

You claim to be an installer ?

Yeah, not too sure what that is about

tuxy

fritzelly wrote: »

If it's ftth i should hope not

Should I remove the steel used to strengthen the cable I have for ftth?

gctest50

oleras wrote: »

They ran pure glass cable ?

Educate yourself.

It kind of got on track a few weeks ago, but this thread is roaring unsubscribe.

tuxy wrote: »

Should I remove the steel used to strengthen the cable I have for ftth?

It has ( probably) Dyneema cords - no steel


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tuxy

gctest50 wrote: »

It has ( probably) Dyneema cords - no steel


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The old cable or the newer thicker one? I'm fairly sure the new one has no steel.
One of the components used to strengthen the old cable was shiny, I had presumed steel but I could be wrong.

cnocbui

oleras wrote: »

They ran pure glass cable ?

Educate yourself.

It kind of got on track a few weeks ago, but this thread is roaring unsubscribe.

I don't need educating, you clearly do.

HD Polypropelene, Dyneema, Kevlar aramid fibre, two inner plastic sheathes, a yellow coating topping a likely low difractive index transparent plastic fibre then finally a tiny strand of pure glass.

No metal.

babi-hrse

Then it was just the older cable that had the steel and the newer one doesn't need to be stripped off before entering.
Everyday's a school day

daraghwal

I'm currently using a WISP and moved my setup so the ethernet cable comes in under the roof tiles, up into the attic and down into a bedroom via a small bit of trunking in the corner where I have my router and PoE. I don't want them to install in the attic, but it would be ideal if they could run the fibre through the same way as I have the ethernet run from the WISP antenna. Does anyone have experience with this? Would they let me take it in in the attic and put it down into the trunking for them? Thanks in advance.

cnocbui

My installer let me run the cable through the attic. I believe it depends on the installer. Saying it's that or no install will likely help in making your case..

Andy From Sligo

daraghwal wrote: »

I'm currently using a WISP and moved my setup so the ethernet cable comes in under the roof tiles, up into the attic and down into a bedroom via a small bit of trunking in the corner where I have my router and PoE. I don't want them to install in the attic, but it would be ideal if they could run the fibre through the same way as I have the ethernet run from the WISP antenna. Does anyone have experience with this? Would they let me take it in in the attic and put it down into the trunking for them? Thanks in advance.

my understanding is that if you run a suitable duct pipe (say black plastic water pipe wide enough for the fibre cable so that ir moves freely) for and to the area you want the cable to enter and exit in your house and put a draw cable into it and leave it in situ for when they call out to install that they can be quite accommodating at that. - or are you talking of using the existing ethernet cable as a draw cable and tie that to the fibre for him to pull through so it takes the same path as the ethernet cable from the dish/antenna?

daraghwal

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

my understanding is that if you run a suitable duct pipe (say black plastic water pipe wide enough for the fibre cable so that ir moves freely) for and to the area you want the cable to enter and exit in your house and put a draw cable into it and leave it in situ for when they call out to install that they can be quite accommodating at that. - or are you talking of using the existing ethernet cable as a draw cable and tie that to the fibre for him to pull through so it takes the same path as the ethernet cable from the dish/antenna?

If they would allow, and agree to do it, I'd probably ask them to pull in on the ethernet. There is easy access to the attic and the ethernet cable moves pretty freely. If not then I'd just use a pipe if they allow.

Thanks.

Andy From Sligo

daraghwal wrote: »

If they would allow, and agree to do it, I'd probably ask them to pull in on the ethernet. There is easy access to the attic and the ethernet cable moves pretty freely. If not then I'd just use a pipe if they allow.

Thanks.

if you do that, just have a check on the diameter of the fibre optic cable vs Cat5 ethernet cable, just because there is plenty of room for the ethernet cable to move freely it does not mean the FO cable can do the same.. it might get pinched in certain places especially if its under some roof tiles

cnocbui

daraghwal wrote: »

If they would allow, and agree to do it, I'd probably ask them to pull in on the ethernet. There is easy access to the attic and the ethernet cable moves pretty freely. If not then I'd just use a pipe if they allow.

Thanks.

If the dish is on a chimney they won't take the cable there.

babi-hrse

If you leave it in trunking or a pipe with a draw rope they should have no issue. Basically unseen and protected
From installers point of view these scenarios could potentially play out. Customer requests fibre brought into middle of house. Wants it to come up attic down into comms/utility room
Runs fibre in knee goes through attic floor and plaster rains down on room below (he's not covered for that) he's not supposed to be up there.
Someone comes out to investigate and installer gets the boot.
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Customer wants it in hall and to come through ceiling down wall to a foot above skirting board.
Runs fibre in no ducting/pipe to protect it and no way to attach and down wall. A week later the line breaks in the attic an auditor comes out to see why it stopped working. Sees a bunch of cpi rules not being followed and will say the fault was caused by shoddy installation requests for the installer to get the boot.

Installers don't want to tell you no but you have to work with them. If you leave a pipe/trunking up there in a way that if you were moving a box around an unlit attic couldn't potentially pull on the fibre and result in fault with rope with string in it with string where he can pull it without standing anywhere precarious you'll likely get it done the way you want.

If your attic is floored they could get up there and cable tie it to the rafters.

Have you considered just installing the fibre at the other end where that cat5 cable comes. The ont can be installed on a wall of entry next to a power socket then cat5 cable plugged into that put the modem on other end and you'll have your modem where you wanted it just the ont will be elsewhere?

Andy From Sligo

I wonder if we will ever see in the future FTTH installs where it doesnt require the installer to enter the house at all whatsoever - and be able to install without the houseowner having to take off time and be present at all at the time of install? - I dont know how it could be worked . Maybe some kind of external cabinet like the esb meter box and just house the ONT or something like that ... but then how to get power to run the ONT - I have just been thinking about it.

I have nothing to worry about, I have no expensive carpet or flooring in my house , but i would say no doubt there could be times when sweaty installers with muddy shoes could come to do the installs sometimes and traipse in mud inside the house and leave behind a mess of drilled walls and dust inside and you know like there are some people out there with prestige ultra clean houses that even expect their guests to take their footwear off at the front door.

in any case its still pretty archaic at the moment to expect people to take morning or afternoon off work to be there for the installer and if its a failed installed every time the installers come back the house-owners are expected to take more time off work , of how many times is needed.

am almost sure their will be a better system in place later where you wont even have to be there and wont need access in the house. and of course all new builds surely will design it so its all installed in situ and all the home owner will have to do is order their wireless router from their preferred ISP and just hook it up themselves to a point