Eir rural FTTH thread II

Andy From Sligo

digiman wrote: »

You'll get your wish this year, this solution is on the way. Have said it before that I also agree with you that it is a much nicer solution for 95% of people, but also agree with others, you have your own thread set up for this exact topic and should keep the discussion to there.

OK I will do that but the other thread is dead - and when I see people asking about Modems and ONT setup and showed pictures I though people on this thread wanted to start up discussions again about the hardware for the FTTH setup.

If I hadnt seen that picture of the ONT and the messy cables and fritz box and the discussion about whether the ONT is a combined unit or now back to a seperate ONT cradle I wouldnt have joined in again and kept schtum

tsue921i8wljb3

fritzelly wrote: »

If you can throw an 18 stone man at the cabinet - seems totally pointless exercise in marketing when it would probably be cheaper and more future proofed to just go full on fibre for urban areas. Who are they kidding, even if you think you are 100m or so from the cab the way the cable is ran in many areas that could end up being 200m of copper

From what I've heard it would be complementary to FTTH. For direct buried cables with no ducting, or other such situations where fibre cannot be easily delivered.

digiman

fritzelly wrote: »

Source?

I work in the industry, sorry but won't say more than that. Obviously there is no link to any articles etc

tsue921i8wljb3

digiman wrote: »

I work in the industry, sorry but won't say more than that. Obviously there is no link to any articles etc

I've heard it also from, I assume, is a separate source. Have you heard about the G.Fast plans?

fritzelly

Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

For direct buried cables with no ducting, or other such situations where fibre cannot be easily delivered.

Ok that makes sense but I would counter that cable is probably badly deteriorated then and won't make any difference

digiman

Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

From what I've heard it would be complementary to FTTH. For direct buried cables with no ducting, or other such situations where fibre cannot be easily delivered.

Exactly, it has its place where FTTH is not commercially viable.

tsue921i8wljb3

fritzelly wrote: »

Ok that makes sense but I would counter that cable is probably badly deteriorated then and won't make any difference

I'm sure open eir will have tested it thoroughly if it is to be deployed.

fritzelly

digiman wrote: »

I work in the industry, sorry but won't say more than that. Obviously there is no link to any articles etc

Will ask someone in the know tomorrow about it.
Wonder what the ISP's are gonna think about this - not knowing the specifics of who supports it and the price to support it.

digiman

fritzelly wrote: »

Will ask someone in the know tomorrow about it.
Wonder what the ISP's are gonna think about this - not knowing the specifics of who supports it and the price to support it.

It's the large ISPs that are driving it, no reason why an ISP has to go with it though, existing option can still work alongside it for ISPs that wish to stick to that.

fritzelly

digiman wrote: »

It's the large ISPs that are driving it, no reason why an ISP has to go with it though, existing option can still work alongside it for ISPs that wish to stick to that.

Eir, Vodafone and Sky? (Vodafone and Sky who pretty much hate OE)

tsue921i8wljb3

digiman wrote: »

It's the large ISPs that are driving it, no reason why an ISP has to go with it though, existing option can still work alongside it for ISPs that wish to stick to that.

From what I heard it is to "reduce churn". In theory if a customer gets one of these as a first install then wishes to move ISP they are going to have a large combined ONT/router then another router from the new ISP. One could see how it might put people off switching.

cnocbui

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

OK I will do that but the other thread is dead - and when I see people asking about Modems and ONT setup and showed pictures I though people on this thread wanted to start up discussions again about the hardware for the FTTH setup.

If I hadnt seen that picture of the ONT and the messy cables and fritz box and the discussion about whether the ONT is a combined unit or now back to a seperate ONT cradle I wouldnt have joined in again and kept schtum

I think you are being very disingenuous. I provided a photo as forewarning to help someone visualise what was heading for their sitting room, in order to avoid a nasty surprise and to perhaps allow them to plan ahead and ameliorate it or avoid it by getting a small cabinet. Too late on the day.

It was not intended as a starting gun for you to launch into some convoluted hair brained scheme for saving €10 by trying to be reverse smart and Heath Robinsoning a bad non-obvious solution.

oscarBravo

digiman wrote: »

It's the large ISPs that are driving it...

I'm not getting the impression that it's a wildly popular idea. It opens up some serious questions about demarcation and difficulty switching providers, for the reasons we've already hashed out on here.

Andy From Sligo

cnocbui wrote: »

I think you are being very disingenuous. I provided a photo as forewarning to help someone visualise what was heading for their sitting room, in order to avoid a nasty surprise and to perhaps allow them to plan ahead and ameliorate it or avoid it by getting a small cabinet. Too late on the day.

It was not intended as a starting gun for you to launch into some convoluted hair brained scheme for saving €10 by trying to be reverse smart and Heath Robinsoning a bad non-obvious solution.

and I didnt say it was .

I am off now to google disingenuous - smart and Heath Robinsoning and ameliorate - because honestly I am not being smart but i dont know what those words mean

fritzelly

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

and I didnt say it was .

I am off now to google disingenuous - smart and Heath Robinsoning and ameliorate - because honestly I am not being smart but i dont know what those words mean

Wallace and Gromit!

Andy From Sligo

I can see as FTTH becomes more and more popular how more customers will phone up their ISP's and complain how untidy the who lot looks - once the inital "oh wow last week i had 7mbps download and this week I can download at 150mbps" .. or maybe it wont. Have to wait and see. - maybe yes some people who want an neat job may indeed build a cupboard for it all to fit in

digiman

oscarBravo wrote: »

I'm not getting the impression that it's a wildly popular idea. It opens up some serious questions about demarcation and difficulty switching providers, for the reasons we've already hashed out on here.

Is it any different for switching providers than VDSL?

Let's see what ComReg say about it also, I assume it will have to be run by them as well.

I think as opener rollout into virgin media areas it will help them sign up the folk who are more conscious of the aesthetics so it's a smart move from them I think to offer extra choice, also they are not on their own anymore on the wholesale market and these things will make a difference to the likes of Sky and Vodafone who want to own the home. Imagine if Sky come out with a Sky Q box that can incorporate an ONT, that is a very neat and attractive setup.

fritzelly

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I can see as FTTH becomes more and more popular how more customers will phone up their ISP's and complain how untidy the who lot looks - once the inital "oh wow last week i had 7mbps download and this week I can download at 150mbps" .. or maybe it wont. Have to wait and see. - maybe yes some people who want an neat job may indeed build a cupboard for it all to fit in

It's not just that, some people have situations where they want a router that is the bees knees for their scenario - typically ISP provided basic routers are generally crap and don't give you much control over anything.
Having a demarcation point means you can pretty much pop whatever router you want there and for smaller ISP's this could mean having a smaller control group of supported routers that they support. If OE go the way of the AIO unit then where is the support cost for it - do they end up in a single unit support scenario, pay OE to support it etc. Basically restricting everyone to a unified system that becomes a case of who gives the best price and probably eliminates the case of best service (doomsday scenario). Dunno, thinking all the worst case scenarios of what differentiates an ISP when everything is the same bar the name on the bill

fritzelly

digiman wrote: »

Imagine if Sky come out with a Sky Q box that can incorporate an ONT, that is a very neat and attractive setup.

Cannot see that happening, as a single point of failure device to lose your satellite and internet would be devastating to most people - I would become an alcoholic for sure.

Andy From Sligo

for sky to do that they would have to make the hardware.

Huawei already have the Hardware out on the market for FTTH all in one wireless ONT router - most of the cheaper ones are 802.11n though so that wouldnt suit ISP's especially suppliying gigabit package ... but I think its the HG8245H that do a built in 802.11ac wlan I think it is or some other HG model.

I dont see why OE / comreg wpuld not pass a Huawei brand hardware as a lot of the other badged modem routers on VDSL/ADSL are rebadged Huawei products and a lot of the hardware used in the cabinets have been Huawei products as well so its not like they a cheap knock off obscure china make hardware

fritzelly

Ohhh Andy you are not keeping up with the news - the last thing any company wants to be involved in is Huawei products right now (disclaimer I have a Huawei phone and love it and they can track my porn habits all they want)

Andy From Sligo

fritzelly wrote: »

Ohhh Andy you are not keeping up with the news - the last thing any company wants to be involved in is Huawei products right now (disclaimer I have a Huawei phone and love it and they can track my porn habits all they want)

I only know about the Chairperson/women being arrested for fraud .. is that it?

fritzelly

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I only know about the Chairperson/women being arrested for fraud .. is that it?

Nope, google poland and Huawei (god I wish they would change their name to something easier to spell)

tsue921i8wljb3

fritzelly wrote: »

Ohhh Andy you are not keeping up with the news - the last thing any company wants to be involved in is Huawei products right now (disclaimer I have a Huawei phone and love it and they can track my porn habits all they want)

Well both open eir and SIRO are all in with Huawei at this stage. Both FTTH networks plus open eir's VDSL are powered by Huawei.

Andy From Sligo

fritzelly wrote: »

Nope, google poland and Huawei (god I wish they would change their name to something easier to spell)

ah right espionage ! :eek: - no I hadnt heard of that

fritzelly

Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

Well both open eir and SIRO are all in with Huawei at this stage. Both FTTH networks plus open eir's VDSL are powered by Huawei.

Yep and they've said no issues but with the latest development it's either a concerted effort to discredit the company or there is something going on.
How long before Ireland can say its all grand here whilst pressure is mounting. RTE cannot continue using secretly obtained data to justify Fair City
Conspiracy theory comment ends

frozenfrozen

I called vodafone (who we are currently with) and they can offer open eir ftth at our house

25 a month for 6 months then 90 a month plus 6.99 a month for a static IP address (which is a requirement for keeping a PTSN phone line)

Anyone able to link me to someones experience on here dealing with vodafone doing OE ftth? Cant find anything

Johnboy1951

frozenfrozen wrote: »

I called vodafone (who we are currently with) and they can offer open eir ftth at our house

25 a month for 6 months then 90 a month plus 6.99 a month for a static IP address (which is a requirement for keeping a PTSN phone line)

Anyone able to link me to someones experience on here dealing with vodafone doing OE ftth? Cant find anything

Eir are not charging anything extra to keep the PSTN line, presently.
Wonder why Vodafone are?

Andy From Sligo

frozenfrozen wrote: »

I called vodafone (who we are currently with) and they can offer open eir ftth at our house

25 a month for 6 months then 90 a month plus 6.99 a month for a static IP address (which is a requirement for keeping a PTSN phone line)

Anyone able to link me to someones experience on here dealing with vodafone doing OE ftth? Cant find anything

90EU a month - Bloody hell what planet they on? - whats that for 1GB package?

frozenfrozen

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Eir are not charging anything extra to keep the PSTN line, presently.
Wonder why Vodafone are?

I dont know but it still works out cheaper year 1 with vodafone even with that extra cost I think. And we have a second phone line with them elsewhere so I'm going to try get them to do that for free

I had such a bad experience with Eir, vodafone would be worth an extra 6.99 a month anyway..