Eir rural FTTH thread II

Andy From Sligo

cnocbui wrote: »

But I don't want to buy Bimbo Bakeries USA. My son spews a lot acronyms too, that he expects other people to know the meaning of.

Battery Back Up unit LOL



EDIT: Just read they are going to stop supplying the BBU's in UK as standard soon

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/10/openreach-to-stop-providing-battery-backup-for-fttp-broadband.html

cnocbui

Oh, you mean a UPS?

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Andy From Sligo wrote: »

yeah I think the UK openreach ONT's used to come with BBU's for that reason so that you could most probably still make 999 calls .. mind you that was going back a couple of years now , I dont know if they still supply FTTH (or FTTP as they called it it - fibre to the premises) units now with BBU's

According to this from last October they were planning to stop supplying battery back ups.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/10/openreach-to-stop-providing-battery-backup-for-fttp-broadband.html

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cnocbui wrote: »

Oh, you mean a UPS?

Like a small UPS but only for the ONT. The router and phone if cordless would need a UPS.

Andy From Sligo

cnocbui wrote: »

Oh, you mean a UPS?

Uninterruptible Power Supplies?

you say tomarto - I say tomato

Andy From Sligo

in the old days I used to sell UPS's for Desktop PC systems - cheap ones , only about 40 irish punts and would last 15mins at 230v AC , they had a 12v or 24v lead battery in them and an inverter to convert 12v/24v DC to 230vac - attach a normal 4 way strip / socket and you could plug in Desktop PC / Monitor/screen/ Printer and cordless phone (or device that needed power supply) had built in lightning surge and RFI protection as well (to a certain degree)

if one wanted to and if they still sold them these days (Mustek brand I used to buy in) then you could easily power up a ONT/Wireless Router/ Cordless phone and whatever.

Heres a point , you still presumably need electric power/ESB to operate an OLT (albeit a lot less power than a normal PSTN exchange) but what happens if an whole area loses power? - do the actual OLT 's have UPS in them these days still or whats the score does anyone know?

cnocbui

Nothing with a lead acid battery or similar is worth using in this situation as the battery would need replacing ever 4-5 years. Much better and less hassle to just keep the copper.

cnocbui

Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

Like a small UPS but only for the ONT. The router and phone if cordless would need a UPS.

Well I imagine it would be a bit hard to use a voip phone without the router being powered, its base station if cordless, and the ONT.

Andy From Sligo

TBF how many power-cuts do places get these days now. this house I am in , been here for 2 and a half years and i can count the times when the power has gone off on 1 finger .. 2 at the most

Johnboy1951

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

TBF how many power-cuts do places get these days now. this house I am in , been here for 2 and a half years and i can count the times when the power has gone off on 1 finger .. 2 at the most

...... and if you should have a fire which started in the consumer unit causing the main power to trip would you like to be able to use a phone?

MBSnr

^^^
I've mentioned before that I have this.
https://www.vikingdirect.ie/en/apc-back-ups-es-400va-230v-p-be400

I plug in the router, phone, ONT, SAT boxes, TV etc and it'll give a run time of a 50 plus mins if they're all on standby.
It's more for the power blips we seem to get than outages, but if the exchange still has power then we'd still get internet and VoIP in theory. I actually bought another for the tv and PlayStation in the other room to stop the power blips shutting down the PlayStation incorrectly, which is happening regularly lately.

tuxy

Power blips? Is there issues with the wiring in your house? I've not lost power without it being scheduled even for a second in years. Maybe if I was to monitor it closely I may notice some small issues from time to time but nothing bad enough to prevent a device from working.

You can get the USP sockets much cheaper on amazon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/APC-Back-UPS-ES-Uninterruptible-protected/dp/B000GL19BW/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=UPS+Power+Supply+BE400-UK&qid=1562275945&s=gateway&sr=8-3

daraghwal

MBSnr wrote: »

^^^
I've mentioned before that I have this.
https://www.vikingdirect.ie/en/apc-back-ups-es-400va-230v-p-be400

I plug in the router, phone, ONT, SAT boxes, TV etc and it'll give a run time of a 50 plus mins if they're all on standby.
It's more for the power blips we seem to get than outages, but if the exchange still has power then we'd still get internet and VoIP in theory. I actually bought another for the tv and PlayStation in the other room to stop the power blips shutting down the PlayStation incorrectly, which is happening regularly lately.

I've been having power blips, more so in the last few weeks too. I don't know why but only had one or two in the last few weeks that were long enough to cut power and cause router etc. to restart.

MBSnr

tuxy wrote: »

Power blips? Is there issues with the wiring in your house? I've not lost power without it being scheduled even for a second in years. Maybe if I was to monitor it closely I may notice some small issues from time to time but nothing bad enough to prevent a device from working.

You can get the USP sockets much cheaper on amazon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/APC-Back-UPS-ES-Uninterruptible-protected/dp/B000GL19BW/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=UPS+Power+Supply+BE400-UK&qid=1562275945&s=gateway&sr=8-3

You can't get them via Amazon to Ireland or even Northern Ireland.... Won't deliver due to the battery.

Not just my house as it affects my neighbours as well, all fed from the same 3 phase transmission line via different transformers. Basically there are microsecond drops which some devices cope with and others reboot.

Andy From Sligo

MBSnr wrote: »

You can't get them via Amazon to Ireland or even Northern Ireland.... Won't deliver due to the battery.

what about the An post AddressPal thing - you get a St.albans UK address , and then it gets delivered to Ireland - or is it prohibited from there too I wonder?


9. Materials Not Accepted
An Post does not carry:

Dangerous, poisonous or infectious items, explosives, munitions of war, firearms, corrosives, acids, paint removers, oxidising substances, organic peroxides, compressed, liquidised or dissolved gases (including butane gas lighters or aerosols), flammable solids or liquids or materials liable to spontaneous combustion, paints, varnishes, dyes, radioactive materials), pornography or anything that would cause embarrassment in transit, living creatures, prescribed or dangerous drugs , mercury, materials deemed illegal or prohibited by any Government Authority, Perishable Goods, organic or biological materials likely to perish under normal transit conditions, IATA restricted articles - such as liquids, Items likely to cause injury to any other Item or person, unless An Post has agreed in writing to carry such Items subject to such conditions as determined by An Post.

cant see battery or anything containing battery

tuxy

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

what about the An post AddressPal thing - you get a St.albans UK address , and then it gets delivered to Ireland - or is it prohibited from there too I wonder?

Officially it's prohibited but I've had no problem using it to by items like that from Amazon.

Andy From Sligo

looks a good yoke that one from Amazon - might consider getting meself one soon , might come in handy

Andy From Sligo

when you do have to kill the power to the ONT and wireless router (say if you have to unplug them or sockets trip) it feel like waiting for ages for them to get all back up and running again.. locking onto signal and then waiting for wireless to start up - in this case having it plugged into a UPS could be quite a good idea, as well as smoothing out the voltage to the devices and a little bit of surge protection

MBSnr

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

what about the An post AddressPal thing - you get a St.albans UK address , and then it gets delivered to Ireland - or is it prohibited from there too I wonder?

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cant see battery or anything containing battery

For the sake of speed and ease, in this instance I just paid the 20 Euro difference and got it delivered to work through Viking direct.

Andy From Sligo

MBSnr wrote: »

For the sake of speed and ease, in this instance I just paid the 20 Euro difference and got it delivered to work through Viking direct.

yes , your right in that respect - lot easier to do it that way. free delivery as well because it over 75eur

Andy From Sligo

Been using my existing HG659 router for the wireless on my FTTH for the last few days and just using the FritzBox 7530 as a modem and unless its me I feel the wireless offered by the HG659 seems to be better , - shouldnt be like that, the wireless should be pretty decent on the FritzBox , these are really good routers and have good ratings. , all I know (feel) in the real world this current setup (although more messy looking with more cables etc ) seems to be working better. I shall go back to the fritz box at a later date and change some of the wireless parameters and see how that goes, but for the moment the fritz box as modem and hg659 seems to be pretty good with all devices.

cnocbui

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

TBF how many power-cuts do places get these days now. this house I am in , been here for 2 and a half years and i can count the times when the power has gone off on 1 finger .. 2 at the most

I had about 7 last month.

babi-hrse

MBSnr wrote: »

You can't get them via Amazon to Ireland or even Northern Ireland.... Won't deliver due to the battery.

Not just my house as it affects my neighbours as well, all fed from the same 3 phase transmission line via different transformers. Basically there are microsecond drops which some devices cope with and others reboot.

I think you can get them in beltronics
Probably worth a shout if the lead acid battery dies in 4 years to bring it to battery world and ask them to put a li-ion battery inside

Andy From Sligo

babi-hrse wrote: »

I think you can get them in beltronics
Probably worth a shout if the lead acid battery dies in 4 years to bring it to battery world and ask them to put a li-ion battery inside

The PSU's I used to sell had a Yuasa(think that were the name) 12v battery Ni-Cd i think , but I especially remember having to replace one for somebody and using a home Burglar Alarm battery of the same voltage , size, and Ah

yep, Li-Ion or NiMh if you could get in equivelent would be much better I should imagine. They dont suffer the memory effect

oscarBravo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

The PSU's I used to sell had a Yuasa(think that were the name) 12v battery Ni-Cd i think...

Almost certainly lead-acid. Be cautious about replacing a lead-acid with Li-ion unless you're replacing the charging circuitry as well, as they have very different charging characteristics.

babi-hrse

oscarBravo wrote: »

Almost certainly lead-acid. Be cautious about replacing a lead-acid with Li-ion unless you're replacing the charging circuitry as well, as they have very different charging characteristics.

I was not aware I only knew li-po had a strict charging setup
Anyroad
Disclaimer //do not try this yourself get an experienced professional\\

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Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

On the topic of reducing churn. I suspect the majority, perhaps the vast majority, of new rural FTTH connections are eir connections. They are the ISP with door to door sales selling in rural areas. This decision therefore can be seen as a benefit for eir if it were to hinder these customers from subsequently leaving.

ED E wrote: »

IrishHomer reported Sky D2D sales active in his area. Im pretty sure its not just Eir retail using them.


We dont know what the retail breakdown is like but if I had to bet Eir would be the largest OE-FTTH retailer but not the majority.

Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

I'd like to take that wager. I'd guess at >60% eir connections. This forum badly represents the general populations knowledge of other ISPs.

85% eir connections. I should have pushed for that bet!

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/eight-telecoms-operators-will-consider-legal-action-if-eir-rollout-national-broadband-plan-38291593.html

ED E

medoc

On the Eir (retail) site when I put my Eircode in the checker it now finally says I’m available for FTTH and it gives me the 150,300 and 1000 package options. Picking an option it asks me to put in my address (not eircode) or my phone number. Putting in my number (the 8883 number) it says then sorry not available.

Is it a case of phoning them up to order or is it a matter of waiting a while longer as the eircode checker is premature? I’ve been checking the Airwire checker weekly for ages but there seems to have been no update last Tuesday when the Eir one started saying available.

Andy From Sligo

on my 150mbps package what could it be if i am getting constant 29mbps upload but only just over the 100mbs download mark (this check done on wireless BTW on firefox using speedtest.net with digiweb dublin as server ?