Eir rural FTTH thread II

tuxy

arrowman wrote: »

Ok - so going to get connected up with FTTH next week.

Going with Eir (the devil you know and all that)

My house is about 130 M from the road and I have a duct into which the current copper wire was pulled through so hopefully it will be straightforward enough.

One thing is that the "official" socket that my current router is connected to is in the home office and is not the same as the one at the back of the box outside where the cable comes to the house - this is in the kitchen. Will that cause a problem as regards final speed that I will get from the router?

I am using the F2000 router which I dont think is that great but I dont think Eir supply an alternative.

Is there anything else I should watch out for when the engineer calls next week to ensure I get the max from the line

Why would you go with an ISP you know is poor when there are better options recommended by posters on here?

If a duct is used the ONT will prboably be installed in the same room the duct enters the house. If it's overhead you may be able to get the ONT installed in the office if the office has an exterior wall. It really depends on the layout of the house.
If you can't get it instaled in the office the next best thing would be to get it installed in a room where it's easyist to run an ethernet cable to the office. Ethernet will give you full speed.
You will be asked to use the f2000 you have or given a new one as that's standard but if you want to upgrade to something better any router that supports VLAN on the WAN port will be compatible.

Andy From Sligo

arrowman wrote: »

.....I am using the F2000 router which I dont think is that great but I dont think Eir supply an alternative.

I must say that I am overly impressed with my fritzbox 7530 I got with our provider (Digiweb) this wireless router has exceeded my expectations. I had never heard of a fritzbox router before ftth and nver used one. But this has so many features built in , DECT cordless base, Answering machine built in , a little bit of storage built in, a USB socket, dual band AC, a lot of configuration settings in it. Coverage wise , not too bad i think. I had a vodafone HG659 router before (802.11ac Dual band) and Its about a bar extra on some things , just an older tablet upstairs with 802.11n single 2.4ghz where the vodafone router reached it ok, but a bit ropey on the fritzbox - so I just put an extender on the landing and its grand now

Varik

Parents DP was placed at farm boundary but about as far as it could be from any entrance, so not near actual front gate or backgate where the copper comes along some poles. They've gone off to figure out what they want to do.

cnocbui

arrowman wrote: »

Ok - so going to get connected up with FTTH next week.

Going with Eir (the devil you know and all that)

My house is about 130 M from the road and I have a duct into which the current copper wire was pulled through so hopefully it will be straightforward enough.

One thing is that the "official" socket that my current router is connected to is in the home office and is not the same as the one at the back of the box outside where the cable comes to the house - this is in the kitchen. Will that cause a problem as regards final speed that I will get from the router?

I am using the F2000 router which I dont think is that great but I dont think Eir supply an alternative.

Is there anything else I should watch out for when the engineer calls next week to ensure I get the max from the line

If there is anything one can glean from this thread, it's that ducting is rarely straightforward. It might be an idea to check that the ducting is not blocked. If there is any free-play in the copper you could try tugging on that to see if it will move.

arrowman

tuxy wrote: »

Why would you go with an ISP you know is poor when there are better options recommended by posters on here?

Yeah I know their rep is not great but i have been with hem a good few years now and despite a few niggly issues I haven't had any real problems with them.

I think I have CAT5 cabling between phone sockets around the house but I am not sure whether that makes any difference as regards where I locate the router.
My understanding is that it makes sense to have the router in a central location in the house from the point of view of wifi coverage. Wifi can be patchy enough in some rooms - my house is block built and I have a concrete slabbed 2nd floor. I did have to put a TP link extender upstairs to help with the wifi signal in my existing setup

cnocbui

Varik wrote: »

Parents DP was placed at farm boundary but about as far as it could be from any entrance, so not near actual front gate or backgate where the copper comes along some poles. They've gone off to figure out what they want to do.

The DP does not have to be on the same pole the copper comes from. If the existing copper runs to the pole the DP is on, they would likely just string the fibre from the DP to that one and then have it follow the same route as the copper line does.

The DP I am connected to is just across from my driveway entrance, but it goes down the road to the next pole then across the road to pole on my property and then down that into a duct.

cnocbui

arrowman wrote: »

Yeah I know their rep is not great but i have been with hem a good few years now and despite a few niggly issues I haven't had any real problems with them.

I think I have CAT5 cabling between phone sockets around the house but I am not sure whether that makes any difference as regards where I locate the router.
My understanding is that it makes sense to have the router in a central location in the house from the point of view of wifi coverage. Wifi can be patchy enough in some rooms - my house is block built and I have a concrete slabbed 2nd floor. I did have to put a TP link extender upstairs to help with the wifi signal in my existing setup

The ONT - fibre termination - connects to the router via an ethernet cable, so in theory you can locate a router anywhere where you can get a CAT 6 cable from the ONT to. You can substitute a different router for the F2000. I did that and have a TP-Link at the front end and the F2000 slaved off it for the VOIP phone..

Oafley Jones

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Ah right I am having a bit of trouble , understanding. There is a physical house (you know, one with windows and doors and someone actually living in it?) At the gate .. And it has an eircode assigned to it ..... And whats more it has an eircode down for receiving fibre to the home (ftth) ?

And then your house is a bit away from the house at the gate but not down for ftth so you somehow want to finish off the distance of the house at the gate to your house by wireless say or wire? .... Is that what you mean? Have I that right?

That’s it. The road is your standard countryside ribbon development, except for our house; which instead of being built on the field next to the road, was built on the field behind that one. Hence the ridiculous driveway running the length of the mich more appropriate building site.

The irony here is that I’ve been praying for decent internet since I moved out here over six years ago. The village got wired up, last year our neighbours 600 meters either side of us got FTTH and just yesterday they started laying the connecting section outside our door. I had to wait going to work as they stopped traffic to lay the fibre outside my gate. We move on Tuesday. I mean, FFS. It’s like I’m being taunted.

I’m genuinely lost as to who my first port of call should be about the new place though.

randombar

Oafley Jones wrote: »

That’s it. The road is your standard countryside ribbon development, except for our house; which instead of being built on the field next to the road, was built on the field behind that one. Hence the ridiculous driveway running the length of the mich more appropriate building site.

The irony here is that I’ve been praying for decent internet since I moved out here over six years ago. The village got wired up, last year our neighbours 600 meters either side of us got FTTH and just yesterday they started laying the connecting section outside our door. I had to wait going to work as they stopped traffic to lay the fibre outside my gate. We move on Tuesday. I mean, FFS. It’s like I’m being taunted.

I’m genuinely lost as to who my first port of call should be about the new place though.

My mother 350m down the laneway is signed up to FTTH, I've set up a Nanostation

https://www.ui.com/airmax/nanostation-ac/

Rock solid connection and great speeds.

How friendly are you with the neighbours

babi-hrse

Oafley Jones wrote: »

That’s it. The road is your standard countryside ribbon development, except for our house; which instead of being built on the field next to the road, was built on the field behind that one. Hence the ridiculous driveway running the length of the mich more appropriate building site.

The irony here is that I’ve been praying for decent internet since I moved out here over six years ago. The village got wired up, last year our neighbours 600 meters either side of us got FTTH and just yesterday they started laying the connecting section outside our door. I had to wait going to work as they stopped traffic to lay the fibre outside my gate. We move on Tuesday. I mean, FFS. It’s like I’m being taunted.

I’m genuinely lost as to who my first port of call should be about the new place though.

If your saying you have a gatehouse at the edge of your premises and your actual house is 600m up the drive you could try find an electrical networking firm to run a cable from desired location in your house to the gatehouse.
The installer can install the fibre cradle in the gatehouse then plug the prelaid fibre in sending it on the rest of the way as theirs a fibre coupler you plug one end into the other inside the cradle.
Single mode fiber 3m SC/APC connectors
That has been done some businesses have built enclosures to receive fibre connections and got the rest of the way done themselves.

babi-hrse

arrowman wrote: »

Yeah I know their rep is not great but i have been with hem a good few years now and despite a few niggly issues I haven't had any real problems with them.

I think I have CAT5 cabling between phone sockets around the house but I am not sure whether that makes any difference as regards where I locate the router.
My understanding is that it makes sense to have the router in a central location in the house from the point of view of wifi coverage. Wifi can be patchy enough in some rooms - my house is block built and I have a concrete slabbed 2nd floor. I did have to put a TP link extender upstairs to help with the wifi signal in my existing setup

If you have 4 pair cat5 from there to elsewhere you can install fibre at that location and repurpose the cat5 cable to carry traffic from ont to other end where you can leave modem. The fibre connection and modem don't nessicarly have to be next to each other as there's always a ethernet cable (cat5) from ont to modem if your house is wired for cat5 you can route to any endpoint.

Andy From Sligo

cnocbui wrote: »

If there is anything one can glean from this thread, it's that ducting is rarely straightforward. It might be an idea to check that the ducting is not blocked. If there is any free-play in the copper you could try tugging on that to see if it will move.

i will tell you our situation - when engineer got here , he got his yellow draw cable so far down the duct , and it wouldnt go no further. - looks like you have a blocked duct he said (and so it was nearly a failed install) , then strolled around poles to see if he could get it overhead - that was a no go . we pondered and i happened to mention to him that I could hear the draw cable 'knocking' on the left hand side of the chamber in the path (there were 4 black Ducts going into chamber, 2 on the left and 2 on the right) logically it looked (by the position) our duct exit should have been on the right hand side.

Well anyway he put his draw cable down the duct again. And Again I could hear it rattling on the right hand side of the chamber. At this time I didnt actually see a cable moving but i did notice some grey kind of putty over the end of the duct (presumably put there to stop water/dirt going down into the duct to stop blockages)

So if your in the same boat , ad the installer says 'blocked duct' - it cannot help just to make sure both ends of the duct (the ETU external box on your house wall, and the other end whether that be in a chamber or at the bottom of a wooden telegraph pole) that there isnt a dollop of putty there because if the draw wire hits that it cannot go any further (unless the putty is already falling/fallen out of the end of the duct)

It might not be that at all and may indeed be a proper blocked (or collapsed) duct or one with a very sharp bend ... but it doesnt take any time at all to check both ends of the duct to make sure there isnt any putty or mastic/sealant at each end and it could be the difference between first visit install or not.

Andy From Sligo

arrowman wrote: »

Yeah I know their rep is not great but i have been with hem a good few years now and despite a few niggly issues I haven't had any real problems with them.

I think I have CAT5 cabling between phone sockets around the house but I am not sure whether that makes any difference as regards where I locate the router.
My understanding is that it makes sense to have the router in a central location in the house from the point of view of wifi coverage. Wifi can be patchy enough in some rooms - my house is block built and I have a concrete slabbed 2nd floor. I did have to put a TP link extender upstairs to help with the wifi signal in my existing setup

if it is older Cat5 wiring and your going with FTTH you might be handy enough to rip that out and replace it with Cat5e or Cat6 wiring (I am not that much into networking , house or otherwise , so just check with a network specialist, I have just read on here that Cat5e and Cat6 ethernet is best for ftth speeds)

yep , router central in the house and as high up as possible on wall (rather than sitting on a floor) - away from window (apparently you want wi-fi signal around your house - not going out of a window) - away from DECT cordless phones and wireless doorbell switches and anything else wireless, you dont want wireless signals fighting with each other.

Video

curious what kind of usage are ye pulling in around these parts? i've just gone over 300gigs - everything is hd now and it's great

JonMac

Gigs? What are those?

airman737

Hi All

Hopefully getting installed next week. Lifted the "eircom" lid outside my entrance, there's a DP type box inside and all the cabling, however, upon inspection it looks like by ducting is collapsed (Got a feed cable from a friend in eir). Now, I also am within 20 meters of a DP on a pole along the main road. I am wondering can the open eir / KN lads just feed the cable overhead from the pole? See pic attached. The cable from the pole would not be coming through anyone else's land, straight in to my property.

Thanks

Mango Joe

Hi All,

I was just wondering.... I finally got my FTTH installed earlier on today. Some questions if you'd be so kind as to help out please!

1. I'm getting ~120MBs download out of the 150MBs I'm paying for. So I read up on this and the spiel is that the difference is due to contention etc.

So if they are capable of sending somewhere up to 1000MBs on this infrastructure then why can't they adjust the throughput so I actually get what they advertised and I subsequently paid for?!?


2. My old copper phone line is still in place and working with my usual DECT phone. I never really thought about this too much to be honest!

Am I being charged for this or is it built into my basic €59.99 for my FTTH?Whats the best move here? I do have a monitored alarm system that uses this but I'd ditch it and go with a SIM dialler rather than pay an extra monthly charge to Eir. What are people doing? I'm not interested in paying extra for VOIP when my DECT phone works fine?

Also my ONT etc is in an awkward corner of the house - Is there a wireless VOIP setup that people would recommend?

Any thoughts appreciated... Thanks all!

limnam

Mango Joe wrote: »

Hi All,

I was just wondering.... I finally got my FTTH installed earlier on today. Some questions if you'd be so kind as to help out please!

1. I'm getting ~120MBs download out of the 150MBs I'm paying for. So I read up on this and the spiel is that the difference is due to contention etc.

So if they are capable of sending somewhere up to 1000MBs on this infrastructure then why can't they adjust the throughput so I actually get what they advertised and I subsequently paid for?!?

There's a few different answers to this which I'm sure the lads will point out.

Some of them.

A huge amount of servers are not capable of "uploading" to you at 150.

When testing are you hard wired into the router with a nic known to be capable of doing that throughput and again testing from somewhere known to be able to present that speed to you?

Andy From Sligo

JonMac wrote: »

Gigs? What are those?

concerts and the like - very popular in Ireland ..

cnocbui

Mango Joe wrote: »

Hi All,

I was just wondering.... I finally got my FTTH installed earlier on today. Some questions if you'd be so kind as to help out please!

120 sounds about right if you are using WiFi. You need to use an Ethernet cable to test the limit of your connection, and even then, you have to have gigabit ethernet capability in the computer - plenty only have 100 mbps capability. Speedtest.net seems to get the vote for the site likely to give you the highest speed for the test.

Not sure about the phone line but I would guess that they are billed separately.

tsue921i8wljb3

airman737 wrote: »

Hi All

Hopefully getting installed next week. Lifted the "eircom" lid outside my entrance, there's a DP type box inside and all the cabling, however, upon inspection it looks like by ducting is collapsed (Got a feed cable from a friend in eir). Now, I also am within 20 meters of a DP on a pole along the main road. I am wondering can the open eir / KN lads just feed the cable overhead from the pole? See pic attached. The cable from the pole would not be coming through anyone else's land, straight in to my property.

Thanks

Your premises will have been assigned to a distribution point. I don't think the installer has the ability to connect you from another DP.

AidenL

Im 12 months connected now with Airwire.

Just want to say thanks to the team there for providing a reliable and bulletproof service.

Its transformative, and seamless in the background. Whatever you need, just happens, fast and reliably.

Its well worth the wait to anyone waiting, hang in there.

Andy From Sligo

Mango Joe wrote: »

Hi All,

I was just wondering.... I finally got my FTTH installed earlier on today. Some questions if you'd be so kind as to help out please!

1. I'm getting ~120MBs download out of the 150MBs I'm paying for. So I read up on this and the spiel is that the difference is due to contention etc.

So if they are capable of sending somewhere up to 1000MBs on this infrastructure then why can't they adjust the throughput so I actually get what they advertised and I subsequently paid for?!?


2. My old copper phone line is still in place and working with my usual DECT phone. I never really thought about this too much to be honest!

Am I being charged for this or is it built into my basic €59.99 for my FTTH?Whats the best move here? I do have a monitored alarm system that uses this but I'd ditch it and go with a SIM dialler rather than pay an extra monthly charge to Eir. What are people doing? I'm not interested in paying extra for VOIP when my DECT phone works fine?

Also my ONT etc is in an awkward corner of the house - Is there a wireless VOIP setup that people would recommend?

Any thoughts appreciated... Thanks all!

hard wire it and test it with a computer with a gigabit network card in it (10/100/1000)

option 2 - an up to date laptop with a dual band 802.11ac 5ghz wireles card in it and make sure you are connected at 5ghz (not 2.4ghz)

if testing wireless make sure nothing else is wireless is it the vicinity of the wireless router (this means cordless phones, wireless bells, tv senders and anything else wireless) try manually setting the channel on the wireless router to channel 6 and then channel 11 and see which one best.

if checking by wireless, stand with laptop right bang next to wireless router and do a check .. then move away from the router and check again. You will see just how much the mb's will drop off even moving away from the router a bit.

Mango Joe wrote: »

Also my ONT etc is in an awkward corner of the house - Is there a wireless VOIP setup that people would recommend?

I got a FritzBox with my FTTH supplier and it even has a Wireless DECT base built into it , so you could use a ciordless dect phone handset (or more handsets - 5 I think in total) for VOIP through it

Johnboy1951

Mango Joe wrote: »

Hi All,

I was just wondering.... I finally got my FTTH installed earlier on today. Some questions if you'd be so kind as to help out please!

1. I'm getting ~120MBs download out of the 150MBs I'm paying for. So I read up on this and the spiel is that the difference is due to contention etc.

So if they are capable of sending somewhere up to 1000MBs on this infrastructure then why can't they adjust the throughput so I actually get what they advertised and I subsequently paid for?!?


2. My old copper phone line is still in place and working with my usual DECT phone. I never really thought about this too much to be honest!

Am I being charged for this or is it built into my basic €59.99 for my FTTH?Whats the best move here? I do have a monitored alarm system that uses this but I'd ditch it and go with a SIM dialler rather than pay an extra monthly charge to Eir. What are people doing? I'm not interested in paying extra for VOIP when my DECT phone works fine?

Also my ONT etc is in an awkward corner of the house - Is there a wireless VOIP setup that people would recommend?

Any thoughts appreciated... Thanks all!

2.
Check your provider's information about your account ..... your myeir account if getting service from Eir will have details.
My phone is still over copper line and is included in the price of broadband bundle.

KOR101

https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/1164893192946376706

cnocbui

KOR101 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/1164893192946376706

Interesting. Had a quick look at his Twitter feed. He's a bit of a prat:

And video -- phones really do outclass DSLRs now, for handheld video.

That is so untrue I want to weep.

tuxy

I think he's just on the old contract that still has the FUP, he didn't bother to contact them to get the cap removed.

Marlow

tuxy wrote: »

I think he's just on the old contract that still has the FUP, he didn't bother to contact them to get the cap removed.

The old contracts are now illegal.

/M

tuxy

Marlow wrote: »

The old contracts are now illegal.

/M

What's the penalty for breaching an ASAI guideline? Many ISP's have ignored the guidelines in the past.

Andy From Sligo

Just letting people know of a 802.11ac wireless USB dongle by TP-Link.

handy for peeps who maybe have an older laptop whereby they cannot connect to 5.Ghz their new FTTH connected router.

I am using a HP Pavillion G6 - 2013 model now and it only has 802.11b/g/n wireless nic card in it. so I am going to give this little mini dongle in it see how it goes.

up to 600 Mbps transfer speeds advertised , but IRL of course with environment in your house and things that can interfere with wireless signals and depending how far your laptop is from your wireless router that could be questionable.

Might be OK for people with 150mbps and 300mbps FTTH plans.

€22 eur in Currys PC World ... but I have someone up in NI today and they are getting one from ASDA up there for me £15 ukpound (€16)

https://www.currys.ie/ieen/computing-accessories/networking/network-routers-and-switches/wireless-adapters/tp-link-archer-t2u-v3-mini-usb-wireless-adapter-ac-600-dual-band-10078593-pdt.html