Eir rural FTTH thread II

Westnet: Paul

fritzelly wrote: »

Surprised you didn't bring in a charge, if even nominal, after eir introducing a charge

The economics of it didn't change for us - eir were always our biggest competition, if only because of name recognition, and them introducing an installation charge only makes our offering the more attractive. We'll still lose money if a customer switches when their 12-month contract is up, but that just makes it the more important for us to keep customers happy so they won't want to switch.

Airwire: MartinL

Grab All Association wrote: »

Can you clarify something?

Free installation if I switch to airwire from let’s say Vodafone ptsn and sign an 18 month contract?

Hi,
it has to be same technology. So changing from VDSL to FTTH means new line installation.

We won't offer free installation on new FTTH lines with OpenEIR due to it's cost to us. It's not the provider change, that makes the difference. It's the fact, that the line needs to be installed.

Until the end of April, even re-activating an already installed FTTH circuit caused us the full install fee in cost. That has been rectified now, so it's the same as a provider move.

AidenL

shigllgetcha wrote: »

Yeh out the rosnowlagh road

Good to see that, they must definitely be filling in gaps in the green which don't have adequate service.

I was wondering where they had went after leaving the Knather, haven't seen any activity out the Belleek road way either though.

Was it civil guys out the Rossnowlagh road or cables guys?

shigllgetcha

AidenL wrote: »

Good to see that, they must definitely be filling in gaps in the green which don't have adequate service.

I was wondering where they had went after leaving the Knather, haven't seen any activity out the Belleek road way either though.

Was it civil guys out the Rossnowlagh road or cables guys?

Think it was civil. They went out the belleek road but you wouldnt notice much as its mainly underground and there arent many people on the main road

Gooser14

Eir has started installing FTTH boxes in Newport Co. Tipperary. There is one on the pole beside Rockvale Cemetery and one a pole on the L2110 road to Nenagh.

AidenL

That’s good, they must be making good speed then.

Bodes well for live before end of the year hopefully.

I see they ran the coil which was on the pole at my house up the pole in the last few days also.

shigllgetcha wrote: »

Think it was civil. They went out the belleek road but you wouldnt notice much as its mainly underground and there arent many people on the main road

thomond9112

Hi everyone!

Had a KN guy out yesterday - he needs a hoist to clear away some tree branches, but once he can come back out with that, we should be good to go :-)

Just one question (haven't seen an answer to this yet...) - what dimensions are the ODP and ONT? I'm trying to figure out where they would be best placed in the house....

tsue921i8wljb3

thomond9112 wrote: »

Hi everyone!

Had a KN guy out yesterday - he needs a hoist to clear away some tree branches, but once he can come back out with that, we should be good to go :-)

Just one question (haven't seen an answer to this yet...) - what dimensions are the ODP and ONT? I'm trying to figure out where they would be best placed in the house....

ODP: 105 * 80 * 25mm

ONT: 90 * 82 * 25mm

Power required for the ONT.

thomond9112

Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

ODP: 105 * 80 * 25mm

ONT: 90 * 82 * 25mm

Power required for the ONT.

You're a star - thanks a million!

MBSnr

Just noticed that they have run fibre between the poles and fitted boxes for an extra 1km than on the map shown for Cong, Mayo. The reason for this is it seems two houses they included in the roll out aren't fed from the side the map shows (yellow line). As such they have had to travel further up the road they are actually wired from to include them. So there's 5 or 6 houses who will now be able to get FTTH that previously had been over looked. Wonder if they even realise their luck!?!?

Gboyd

What’s the map that shows the season like Winter 2018. I’ve been checking 2 maps for a while, the opener map which was just updated on 21/05 and for the life of me I can’t find the other.

I thought it was the NGA map but it seems to link back to the same thing now - unless I’m being totally stupid which is a very real possibility.

tsue921i8wljb3

Gboyd wrote: »

What’s the map that shows the season like Winter 2018. I’ve been checking 2 maps for a while, the opener map which was just updated on 21/05 and for the life of me I can’t find the other.

I thought it was the NGA map but it seems to link back to the same thing now - unless I’m being totally stupid which is a very real possibility.

You are thinking of the NGA map on openeir.ie. They have discontinued it and the openeir map is now the same as fibrerollout.ie.

You still should be able to get the date from the new map. Zoom right in to the exchange area and you should see a blue or green icon with a circle in it. Click on that and you should get a popup with the info. However you may have to use a desktop or laptop as I don't get the popup using Chrome on an Android tablet.

Gboyd

Thanks Navi, I’m glad I wasn’t being totally stupid.

Will try on a desktop then, defo not seeing the data on mobile.

Zith

Both Eir and K&N were stringing fibre between poles yesterday along the R363 outside Ballygar, Co. Galway. It's the road towards Ballinamore Bridge. Was still a cherry picker there this morning tweaking things. Ballygar is down for autumn/winter 2018.

KOR101

Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

There is a provision in the contract for, I believe, six months delay without penalties. I think it is likely that they will need this extra time as it seems unlikely that they can make the end of 2018 deadline.

2.2 The Minister may, at his option, elect prior to the expiry of the Initial Term or a

Term Extension, to extend this Agreement (on the same terms and conditions of

this Agreement ) beyond the Initial Term for a further period or periods of up to one

year each, by writte n notice to eir (each a "Term Extension").

Johnboy1951

KOR101 wrote: »

2.2 The Minister may, at his option, elect prior to the expiry of the Initial Term or a

Term Extension, to extend this Agreement (on the same terms and conditions of

this Agreement ) beyond the Initial Term for a further period or periods of up to one

year each, by writte n notice to eir (each a "Term Extension").

Seems the minister can extend the period multiple times for a maximum of one year each time, with no limit on the total length of time?

Geimhreadh

Well I guess my saga is just beginning. I m curious if they are simply telling people the service is live so they will sign up only to tell them later that it will be another 2 months.
Any one successfully cancelled their order?

Order placed  April 23rd
First KN network visit May 8th, needs traffic management and to reschedule
Second KN network visit May 15th, DP not live, first guy didn't bother checking, needs to go back to Eir
Call Eir, DP to go live 25th of May - call back after to re book
Call Eir today, DP work to activate DP not happening until  25th of June - call back after to re book

fritzelly

The DP not active is very common, your neighbours could be all active and you're the unlucky one that got a broken one

As for the sales guys - yeah, they are told to go out selling when areas are not fully live.

ED E

This is the first rollout thats been so granular. Dial up was the whole MDF(1000s of lines), DSL the same mostly, VDSL 200 paths at a time but FTTH is clusters of 8. The telesales people and door to door gremlins have never really had to handle this kinda messiness - not that that is an excuse.

fritzelly

In fairness installing a copper line and subsequent exchange upgrades was a lot easier than laying fibre

Geimhreadh

It's some pain wasting 2 mornings for the KN guys to turn only for it to be not even ready.

I don't know what I expected, to be one of the lucky hassle free ones I guess.

Just hope they turn off the current connection because the new one should have been installed.

turbbo

fritzelly wrote: »

In fairness installing a copper line and subsequent exchange upgrades was a lot easier than laying fibre

Easier and rubbish compared to fibre.

helimachoptor

for anyone interested
https://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057876951

tsue921i8wljb3

helimachoptor wrote: »

for anyone interested
https://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057876951

Their cloak and dagger approach to whatever they are testing is rather infuriating.

tsue921i8wljb3

The DCCAE updated the Rural Deployment Progress yesterday. It is not good news again.

In Q1 2018 Openeir passed 24645 premises, well below the 38000 scheduled in the commitment agreement. It is the second quarter in a row that they have missed their target after blaming poor performance in Q4 2017 on Storm Ophelia.

They should be at 170000 premises at this stage according to the plan, however the total stands at 145212. 155363 premises remain outstanding.

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/commercial-investment/Pages/Rural-Deployment-Progress.aspx

irishfeen

Works finally started in Bweeng, Co.Cork yesterday with yellow cabling pulled through 4/5 ducts - it looks like the guys had an awful job as in infrastructure is an absolute mess by the looks of it.

This is the first broadband of any kind will be made available so that should give us an idea how bad things are in the area.

turbbo

Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »

The DCCAE updated the Rural Deployment Progress yesterday. It is not good news again.

In Q1 2018 Openeir passed 24645 premises, well below the 38000 scheduled in the commitment agreement. It is the second quarter in a row that they have missed their target after blaming poor performance in Q4 2017 on Storm Ophelia.

They should be at 170000 premises at this stage according to the plan, however the total stands at 145212. 155363 premises remain outstanding.

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/commercial-investment/Pages/Rural-Deployment-Progress.aspx

Will be interesting to see what fine the gov will impose if any? Also when are enet due to kickoff on the NBP? Would be funny to see NBP areas up before Eir finished.

KOR101

turbbo wrote: »

Would be funny to see NBP areas up before Eir finished.

The problem is that can't happen in delayed areas when the winner needs to piggyback on EIR's existing infrastructure. It makes scheduling the NBP rollout even more difficult and of course it's not in EIRs interest for things to happen quickly.


It's looking increasingly likely that EIR have simply not ramped up their programme to the over 40k per quarter premises that they had planned. I suppose we should be glad that it's at least staying level.

turbbo

KOR101 wrote: »

the winner needs to piggyback on EIR's existing infrastructure.

Is this the case everywhere in the country? I thought the "winner" (thought it was ENET) would be using quite a bit of their own infrastructure.

tsue921i8wljb3

turbbo wrote: »

Is this the case everywhere in the country? I thought the "winner" (thought it was ENET) would be using quite a bit of their own infrastructure.

What infrastructure? Their MANs are all in larger regional towns. They have no rural distribution network so it would have to be built from scratch. How long would that take?