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Eir rural FTTH thread II

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    #10232
    alec76
    Registered Users Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭alec76


    AstraMonti wrote: »
    But that's only the fair use policy isn't it? Eir has the same as far I can see.

    Nope, Eir, Airwire and some local providers are truly unlimited so far .
    Vodafone ,Digiweb, Sky got 1 Tb cap for their FTTH products.
    ps.It is free switch to Airwire with 18 month contact.


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    #10233
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,059 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    AstraMonti wrote: »
    But that's only the fair use policy isn't it? Eir has the same as far I can see.

    No they don't, they are unlimited, or at least were while I was with them.


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    #10234
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    cnocbui wrote: »
    No they don't, they are unlimited, or at least were while I was with them.

    How unlimited? What's the most you download in one month?
    Even on 150mbit I hit 3.4 TB one month, I was with Eir at the time and had no FUP so it was ok.

    Edit: sorry thought you were talking about vodafone, who don't seem to be too strict on the FUP but may be if you go way over.
    Eir and Airwire are truly unlimited atm.


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    #10235
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Vodafone, Digiweb and Sky have the same 1tb fair usage allowance on all their FTTH plans regardless of 150, 300 or 1000 megs. I don't think they charge fee's for going over however I wouldn't feel comofortable on any of those providers knowing that the cap is there and at risk of being booted from their network by going over a few times.

    Going with a truly unlimited provider is really the only way for peace of mind with no watching the clock or worrying about getting into trouble for going over if it happens. When Eir was limited, I used to check the 'myeir' page every week. Since I got the cap removed over a year ago, I haven't logged in once.


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    #10236
    MBSnr
    Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭MBSnr


    ^^^
    Kinda depends on a few factors though. I'd have gone Airwire if I'd only required internet, but at the time (and still now) Digiweb have a better phone service which is needed by us. Suits me as as a family we don't get close to hitting the 1Tb cap on 300Mbps, even with streaming Netflix HD and Amazon Prime (with some shows @ 4K).


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    #10237
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    MBSnr wrote: »
    ^^^
    Kinda depends on a few factors though. I'd have gone Airwire if I'd only required internet, but at the time (and still now) Digiweb have a better phone service which is needed by us. Suits me as as a family we don't get close to hitting the 1Tb cap on 300Mbps, even with streaming Netflix HD and Amazon Prime (with some shows @ 4K).

    Do you need 300? I know Eir had an offer where the 300 was cheaper than 150 but outside of that why pay more for 300?

    I now only see the option of 150Mps or 1Gbps with Eir no 300. They are constantly changing things, must be confusing for customer service.


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    #10238
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    tuxy wrote: »
    Do you need 300? I know Eir had an offer where the 300 was cheaper than 150 but outside of that why pay more for 300?

    I now only see the option of 150Mps or 1Gbps with Eir no 300. They are constantly changing things, must be confusing for customer service.

    There was a rumour several months ago that Eir was going to increase the 300 to 500, but that never happened. The 300 plan is still there if you use the online checker. Looks like the totally unlimited cap free is staying too for the time being thankfully.


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    #10239
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Gonzo wrote: »
    There was a rumour several months ago that Eir was going to increase the 300 to 500, but that never happened. The 300 plan is still there if you use the online checker.

    That would be open eir's decision though.
    The retail department is constantly changing packages, so much so that I can't keep up.


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    #10240
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Eir had introduced a 500 Mbit package probably in anticipation of OpenEir adding that profile. The only way to deliver it would have been to order Gbit profiles and eat the difference.

    Obviously that backfired as it never materialized. Don't think it ever got sold, but the Eir sales guys had it in their portfolio at some point.

    SIRO is now 150 / 500 / 1000.

    Openeir is talking about replacing the 300 Mbit package with a 600 now, but it is still early days. A lot of systems would need to be changed for that.

    /M


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    #10241
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Marlow wrote: »
    Openeir is talking about replacing the 300 Mbit package with a 600 now, but it is still early days. A lot of systems would need to be changed for that.

    /M

    Hopefully they will go through with that this time around! A top up on the upload would be great too.

    Perhaps now that Eir have their sights set on Siro areas, they may increase the upload when the urban rollout goes live as Siro are well better in terms of upload speeds on all plans.


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    #10242
    KOR101
    Registered Users Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    Gonzo wrote: »
    Hopefully they will go through with that this time around! A top up on the upload would be great too.

    Perhaps now that Eir have their sights set on Siro areas, they may increase the upload when the urban rollout goes live as Siro are well better in terms of upload speeds on all plans.
    VM too. I'd order VM in the apartment if only their upload speeds were better.


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    #10243
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    The upload speed is the one thing that both Virgin and Openeir always have had a blind eye on.

    SIRO really copped on to that one. They even do symmetric on FTTH, if you pay business pricing.

    (Says me... having symmetric Gbit on FTTH :D )

    /M


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    #10244
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 14,011 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    What is wrong in Ireland that symmetric is essentially not available except for business use?

    I had hoped that the ancient ways would go with the ancient technology (copper) but that seems not to be the case.


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    #10245
    MBSnr
    Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭MBSnr


    tuxy wrote: »
    Do you need 300? I know Eir had an offer where the 300 was cheaper than 150 but outside of that why pay more for 300?

    I now only see the option of 150Mps or 1Gbps with Eir no 300. They are constantly changing things, must be confusing for customer service.

    You're right. I only need 150Mbps but I signed up for 300Mbps in a "sure what the hell" moment when jumping up from 10Mbps.... I was going to drop down to 150Mbps on my renewal but Digiweb offered me a 5 Euro pm discount to keep the 300 package, so I figured for 60 Euro over a year, why not .....


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    #10246
    daraghwal
    Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    Is there a price list somewhere for all of eirs packages? I remember seeing it in this thread before but can't find it now. It was a PDF as far as I remember


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    #10247
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    MBSnr wrote: »
    You're right. I only need 150Mbps but I signed up for 300Mbps in a "sure what the hell" moment when jumping up from 10Mbps.... I was going to drop down to 150Mbps on my renewal but Digiweb offered me a 5 Euro pm discount to keep the 300 package, so I figured for 60 Euro over a year, why not .....

    Originally when moving from 10 meg ADSL to FTTH I was going to go all in and get the 1000Mbps, however the 1tb fair usage policy stopped me as having that extreme speed with such a small data allowance just didn't make any sense so I went with the 300. Now that i've unlimited I've been tempted to move to the 1000 just for the upload alone, but will propbably hang on till OpenEir eventually upgrade teh 300/50 plan to something faster, I can't really justify the extra 25 euros per month upgrading.


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    #10248
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    daraghwal wrote: »
    Is there a price list somewhere for all of eirs packages? I remember seeing it in this thread before but can't find it now. It was a PDF as far as I remember

    https://www.eir.ie/group/pricing/


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    #10249
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,059 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    What is wrong in Ireland that symmetric is essentially not available except for business use?

    I had hoped that the ancient ways would go with the ancient technology (copper) but that seems not to be the case.

    You need to upload as much as you download?


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    #10250
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    cnocbui wrote: »
    You need to upload as much as you download?

    Some people need more upload than download .. matter of fact.

    /M


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    #10251
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,059 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Marlow wrote: »
    Some people need more upload than download .. matter of fact.

    /M

    Sure, running a business from home.


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    #10252
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,171 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Sure, running a business from home.

    Doesn't need to be a business.

    Just people that use the connection differently to you.


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    #10253
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,059 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    limnam wrote: »
    Doesn't need to be a business.

    Just people that use the connection differently to you.

    Examples please of people who need to upload more than they download and whose usage pattern would still have them fit what most people would consider to be in the set: domestic consumer?

    Sure, people working from home, carrying out a business from home, running a publicly accessible server from home or seeding masses of porn torrents could well want/need symmetrical data, but if they were even 2% of households, I would be surprised.

    Usually people who have expensive or unusual tastes, end up having to pay more to achieve satisfaction, as I assume Marlow might have to if he/she/it is paying market rates.


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    #10254
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,171 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Examples please of people who need to upload more than they download and whose usage pattern would still have them fit what most people would consider to be in the set: domestic consumer?

    Sure, people working from home, carrying out a business from home, running a publicly accessible server from home or seeding masses of porn torrents could well want/need symmetrical data, but if they were even 2% of households, I would be surprised.

    Usually people who have expensive or unusual tastes, end up having to pay more to achieve satisfaction, as I assume Marlow might have to if he/she/it is paying market rates.


    I think what % of the consumer market needs it is not really relevant. If people are willing to pay for it, give it to them.

    It's not so much they need more up than down _all_ the time. But a simple example would be people into photography who upload a lot of RAW files to the cloud etc.

    If there' very people who do require then just offer it as the cost to the provider would be minimal as the traffic to back haul would be relatively small.

    It goes back to a point on another thread. Our lack of imagination on how/why something could be used shouldn't enforce a restriction. Especially when there is no real good reason for it.


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    #10255
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    limnam wrote: »
    Our lack of imagination on how/why something could be used shouldn't enforce a restriction. Especially when there is no real good reason for it.

    Well... it depends what you consider a good reason. When you're designing a wholesale FTTH network - especially in a regulated environment - you have a lot of competing requirements, so not every nice-to-have will be included.

    When open eir were designing their rural FTTH product, the question "what percentage of people will genuinely need more than 100Mb/s upload speed" would have been very relevant. Every product has to go through a regulatory approval process, and requires a lot of supporting background work to be done.

    Would some people like more than 100Mb/s upload? Sure. Would enough people be prepared to pay the significant premium for such a product to justify the pretty herculean regulatory work required to bring it to market? I doubt it.


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    #10256
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,171 ✭✭✭limnam


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Well... it depends what you consider a good reason. When you're designing a wholesale FTTH network - especially in a regulated environment - you have a lot of competing requirements, so not every nice-to-have will be included.

    When open eir were designing their rural FTTH product, the question "what percentage of people will genuinely need more than 100Mb/s upload speed" would have been very relevant. Every product has to go through a regulatory approval process, and requires a lot of supporting background work to be done.

    Would some people like more than 100Mb/s upload? Sure. Would enough people be prepared to pay the significant premium for such a product to justify the pretty herculean regulatory work required to bring it to market? I doubt it.

    I was more coming at it from a tehnical standpoint. I wasn't aware of regulatory overhead.


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    #10257
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Do open eir offer a business product with higher upload like siro do?
    If they did would everyone be happy?


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    #10258
    alec76
    Registered Users Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭alec76


    cnocbui wrote: »
    ....r seeding masses of porn torrents

    Duh...It is so Noughties...
    More likely it would be PLEX server or OTT sport streams.


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    #10259
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    alec76 wrote: »
    Duh...It is so Noughties...
    More likely it would be PLEX server or OTT streames.

    Yes, if you had 1Gbps up you could run a media service for all your friends, relatives and co-workers!


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    #10260
    alec76
    Registered Users Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭alec76


    tuxy wrote: »
    Yes, if you had 1Gbps up you could run a media service for all your friends, relatives and co-workers!
    You also could setup few HDTV CCTV cameras around the house and give public access to it ... Your very own Love Island show :)


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    #10261
    EletricMan
    Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭EletricMan


    So called into Eir today to get FTTH for my new build house. Of course our eircode says no fibre is available at my location, the fibre is actually running past our house and I have a duct ran to the pole straight into my mech and electrical room in the house.

    Anyway my neighbours have fibre so the Eir sales person used their eircode to place our order, he said that it could take some time and probably a few visits between Eir and KNN and doubtful we would be connected before Christmas. Now to be fair he was very helpful which is the reason I called into the shop rather than ringing them and been told computer says so.

    Now my question is how much stress will I be under with the technicians to get the firbe installed due to my Eircode, the rep said when they land on site they will probably have to ring customer care and make a case for my eircode to get the fibre connection.

    Anyone been through this on new build with a new eircode? The job itself is simple the pole is directly outside my house with a roped duct into the house and it has one of the firbe joint boxes on the top of the pole.


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