Team of the Year (outside top 6)

SlickRic

It's easy to pick a Team of the Year if you include Salah, KDB, Sterling, Kane and the like.

What about those who often don't get noticed in teams that aren't City, Utd, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal.

Pope
Zabaleta Schindler Tarkowski Bertrand
Gross Milivojevic Doucouré
Zaha Arnautovic Izquierdo

Tough task IMO.

Will I Am Not

Haven’t seen much football this season outside of United but from what I have seen I’ll give it a go.

Fabianski
Lowton, Tarkowski, Dunk, Fuchs
Shaqiri, Kouyate, Milivojevic, Zaha
Vardy, Arnautovic

Iused2likebusts

Pope
Cedric tarkowski mee bertrand
cork doucoure
Zaha gross. Arnautovic
Barnes
Mee has been just as good as tarkowski this year.

sonic85

Pickford
Schelotto Duffy Lascelles Van Aanholt
Fraser Milivojevic Doucoure
Shaqiri Zaha Tadic

Mr.Nice Guy

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Pickford

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--Coleman

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Maguire

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Lascelles

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Van Aanholt

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Doucoure

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Hojbjerg

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Mahrez

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Arnautovic

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Zaha----

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Vardy

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Iused2likebusts

Don't see how u can have a non top 6 team with no Burnley players in it.

Lukker-

Tarkowski should be automatic pick IMO

Mr.Nice Guy

Burnley to me are a team that work due to the sum of their parts rather than the parts themselves. I'll be very surprised if the likes of Tarkowski and Mee aren't Championship players in a few years.

SlickRic

Lascelles is a glaring omission from my team actually. How did I forget him?

CantGetNoSleep

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Don't see how u can have a non top 6 team with no Burnley players in it.

Wonder why this is top 6? No Arsenal player getting near any team of any season, even if non top 5

Blue giant

Pope
Yedlin Tarkowski Lascelles Ward
cook ndidi
gudmundsson gros zaha
vardy

CSF

Pickford
Cedric Tarkowski Lascelles Ward
Zaha Doucoure Shaqiri Gross
Vardy Arnautovic


Obviously this isn't designed to be a tactically functional team and rather a who's who of who was good.

Skylinehead

CSF wrote: »

Pickford
Cedric Tarkowski Lascelles Ward
Zaha Doucoure Shaqiri Gross
Vardy Arnautovic


Obviously this isn't designed to be a tactically functional team and rather a who's who of who was good.

Cedrics been uniformally awful, from what I've heard from Southampton fans. I like the rest of it.

CantGetNoSleep

Nixonbot wrote: »

Cedrics been uniformally awful, from what I've heard from Southampton fans. I like the rest of it.

Same with Zabaleta too, you'd wonder where some people are getting these names out of

martyos121

Pope
Coleman Tarkowski Lascelles Masuaku
Mooy Doucoure Shelvey
Arnautovic Zaha Kenedy

With a little more thought I might change one or two, but those are the names that come to mind and I’m happy enough with them.

eagle eye

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Begovic
Zabaleta--Tarkowski--Hegazi--Ward
----Milivojevic

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Doucoure
Mahrez

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Grob----Arnautovic

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Vardy

spock.

Pope
Lowton Tarkowski Schindler Masuaku
Shaqiri Mooy Doucoure Gudmunsson
Zaha Arnautovic

Rekop dog

Pickford
Bruno Tarkowski Duffy Ward
Ndidi
Knockaert Groß Mahrez
Vardy


Manager: Sam Allardyce

Talisman

What metric are people judging goalkeepers on? After De Gea, Nick Pope has the best stats for the number of saves per goal conceded. He also has the highest number of clean sheets outside of the top 5. It puzzles me how anyone could consider another keeper for the team.

Iused2likebusts

Talisman wrote: »

What metric are people judging goalkeepers on? After De Gea, Nick Pope has the best stats for the number of saves per goal conceded. He also has the highest number of clean sheets outside of the top 5. It puzzles me how anyone could consider another keeper for the team.

Makes no sense to me either. He has been a lot better than Pickford for example.

Rekop dog

The defence in front of the keeper or indeed managers philosophy has a big influence on number of clean sheets a keeper keeps. It's no great indicator of who's the best. I know which one England will be starting first game of World Cup

Talisman

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Pope

- Smith - Tarkowski - Maguire - Baines

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Doucoure

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GroB

--- Mahrez

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Tadic

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Arnautovic

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Vardy

Talisman

Rekop dog wrote: »

The defence in front of the keeper or indeed managers philosophy has a big influence on number of clean sheets a keeper keeps. It's no great indicator of who's the best. I know which one England will be starting first game of World Cup

And what is your explanation for discounting the number of saves a goalkeeper makes per goal conceded? This season, Pope has saved 3-4 shots per goal conceded, as has De Gea. The other goalkeepers made 1-2 saves per goal conceded.

eagle eye

Talisman wrote: »

And what is your explanation for discounting the number of saves a goalkeeper makes per goal conceded? This season, Pope has saved 3-4 shots per goal conceded, as has De Gea. The other goalkeepers made 1-2 saves per goal conceded.

For me I went with the eye test. My team is picked on all the games I've seen over the season and for me Begovic was the most impressive.

Pope was very good too and he was in consideration for the pick but Begovic just manages his area better right now.

You can talk stats all day long and prove one player is better than another through them but for example, you wouldn't pick Shane Duffy over Tarkowski even though he has had more blocks, clearances and headed clearances would you?

3 centrebacks as I couldn’t separate my 3 favourite defenders

Pope

Duffy Tarkowski Lascelles

Doucoure Mooy

Shaqiri Gross Zaha

Vardy Arnautovic

A shout out to Lemina who impressed me the few times I seen him

passatman86

I would have a few of the wolves team before some of the player's mentioned here

Shanotheslayer

passatman86 wrote: »

I would have a few of the wolves team before some of the player's mentioned here

I'm no detective but I'm pretty confident they didn't play against the same calibre of players.

Will I Am Not

Talisman wrote: »

What metric are people judging goalkeepers on? After De Gea, Nick Pope has the best stats for the number of saves per goal conceded. He also has the highest number of clean sheets outside of the top 5. It puzzles me how anyone could consider another keeper for the team.

I picked my team on the games I’ve seen. Fabianski has stood out a mile from the rest for me, some ridiculous saves from him this season.

Sure if it’s just going by stats then Vardy is just as glaring an omission.

Talisman

eagle eye wrote: »

For me I went with the eye test. My team is picked on all the games I've seen over the season and for me Begovic was the most impressive.

Pope was very good too and he was in consideration for the pick but Begovic just manages his area better right now.

You can talk stats all day long and prove one player is better than another through them but for example, you wouldn't pick Shane Duffy over Tarkowski even though he has had more blocks, clearances and headed clearances would you?

If you think Begovic is the most impressive goalkeeper outside of the top 6 teams then you must not have watched much of the season. He makes mistakes that cost his team on a regular basis - off the top of my head I can think of his errors against Chelsea, Newcastle and West Ham this season. I've no doubt there were others too.

You can try to dismiss stats by talking about defenders but it has no relevance to a discussion about the position of goalkeeper.

Morzadec

Really hard for any of us to make judgement calls on the likes of Lowton vs Zabaleta.

Here is what the stats say (Whoscored).

I've only included players with 25+ appearances, and only included players in positions where they've actually regularly appeared this season.

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Pope (6.94)

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Dawson (7.03)---Tomkins (7.30)--Tarkowski (7.23)

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Ward(6.90)

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Ndidi (7.14)

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Doucoure (7.01)

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Mahrez (7.24)

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Zaha (7.36)

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Townsend (7.09)

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Arnautovic (7.0)

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There's a fair few CBs who scored over 7.0, Duffy, Mee, Schindler and others.

Not a perfect system of course, but when I've seen so little of these players play a full 90 minutes more than two or three times it's as good a way as any to decide and I wouldn't object too much to the team here. Dawson perhaps a surprise, Townsend maybe too.

CSF

CSF wrote: »

Pickford
Cedric Tarkowski Lascelles Ward
Zaha Doucoure Shaqiri Gross
Vardy Arnautovic


Obviously this isn't designed to be a tactically functional team and rather a who's who of who was good.

Almost identical to my team. Replace Pickford with Pope and Cedric with Aké.

eagle eye

Talisman wrote: »

If you think Begovic is the most impressive goalkeeper outside of the top 6 teams then you must not have watched much of the season. He makes mistakes that cost his team on a regular basis - off the top of my head I can think of his errors against Chelsea, Newcastle and West Ham this season. I've no doubt there were others too.

You can try to dismiss stats by talking about defenders but it has no relevance to a discussion about the position of goalkeeper.

Regardless of the position you cannot rely on stats.

I've seen every keeper in the league make errors, Pope included, remember Chelsea?

Rekop dog

Talisman wrote: »

Rekop dog wrote: »

The defence in front of the keeper or indeed managers philosophy has a big influence on number of clean sheets a keeper keeps. It's no great indicator of who's the best. I know which one England will be starting first game of World Cup

And what is your explanation for discounting the number of saves a goalkeeper makes per goal conceded? This season, Pope has saved 3-4 shots per goal conceded, as has De Gea. The other goalkeepers made 1-2 saves per goal conceded.

There's a lot more to goalkeeping than shot stopping. Like De Gea is a better shotstopper than Ederson but the latters distribution is so good Pep would play him over De Gea if he had both as he suits his playing style so much.

Others like Pickford have a fantastic command of their area and natural leadership qualities and is an all round better goalkeeper than Pope which is why he'll be England's number 1 This summer.