Does Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

Auguste Comte

NKante wrote: »

Because the canard is really about deceitful Jews having to pay for support. The same was said pre-Israel and we all know what "you're earning your shekels" is referring to.

A lot of the anti-Israel knuckle-draggers think they're being 'subtle' with their tropes, but they're quite obvious, I can assure you.

That's just not true.

Captain Obvious

NKante wrote: »

Because the canard is really about deceitful Jews having to pay for support. The same was said pre-Israel and we all know what "you're earning your shekels" is referring to.

A lot of the anti-Israel knuckle-draggers think they're being 'subtle' with their tropes, but they're quite obvious, I can assure you.

This is exactly the kind of nonsense you see on the Israeli embassy twitter. The only one bringing up the deceitful jew nonsense or anything like it is you. The rest of us are quite firmly focused on the genocidal acts of the IDF and the support given by the Israeli government for the murder of civilians.

NKante

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because if you can make it about religion instead of land grabbing and colonianism then you can shout down anyone who opposes Israeli human rights abuses, war crimes and ethnic cleansing as antisemitic. Even of those people are in fact Jews like Pappe, Finkelstein, Chomsky, or groups of Jews like Bet B'tselem, Jewish voice for Peace, and so on.

Ooh mentioning a few names there that are funded by foreign entities like the EU.

I guess that's leftist Hasbara though. Which apparently is okay with you because it suits your ideology.

Auguste Comte

NKante wrote: »

Ooh mentioning a few names there that are funded by foreign entities like the EU.

I guess that's leftist Hasbara though. Which apparently is okay with you because it suits your ideology.

How do you feel about young children being targeted by the idf?

Subcomandante Marcos

Auguste Comte wrote: »

How do you feel about young children being targeted by the idf?

"most moral army"

"humanitarian efforts in poor countries"

Blah blah blah.

NKante

Captain Obvious wrote: »

This is exactly the kind of nonsense you see on the Israeli embassy twitter. The only one bringing up the deceitful jew nonsense or anything like it is you. The rest of us are quite firmly focused on the genocidal acts of the IDF and the support given by the Israeli government for the murder of civilians.

I mean do you guys actually think you're fooling people by saying "Zionist" instead of Jews or using the same tropes against Jews for centuries, but saying "Israel" instead.

It's like you think you're masters of deception. We know what you mean.

It used to be Jews were hated for their religion, then that became 'un-PC'

So anti-semitism then morphed into hating the Jewish race. Religious or not, if you were ethnically Jewish you were the enemy.


Hating Jews for their race became a bit touchy after WWII


Anti-semitism then found a new way to morph. Aha! the Jewish state! a convenient vehicle for anti-semites to hop onto and have a ready to use alibi for their anti-semitism. - why it's not Jews I hate....it's just Israel'

A 3 year old can see through it.

weldoninhio

NKante wrote: »

I mean do you guys actually think you're fooling people by saying "Zionist" instead of Jews or using the same tropes against Jews for centuries, but saying "Israel" instead.

It's like you think you're masters of deception. We know what you mean.

It used to be Jews were hated for their religion, then that became 'un-PC'

So anti-semitism then morphed into hating the Jewish race. Religious or not, if you were ethnically Jewish you were the enemy.


Hating Jews for their race became a bit touchy after WWII


Anti-semitism then found a new way to morph. Aha! the Jewish state! a convenient vehicle for anti-semites to hop onto and have a ready to use alibi for their anti-semitism. - why it's not Jews I hate....it's just Israel'

A 3 year old can see through it.

That's quite the paranoid rambling post. :rolleyes:

NKante

Auguste Comte wrote: »

How do you feel about young children being targeted by the idf?

How do I feel about 50 Hamas members being shot trying to breach the border? I feel delighted. As delighted as I would had it been Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah or any other terrorist group.

How do I feel that 12 are reported to be civilians? I feel that it's inevitable in war, after all NATO managed to murder a whole column of fleeing refugees in the Kosovo campaign. I feel it's tragic that Hamas deliberately use their people as human shield.

I feel it's even more tragic that people like you then do Hamas' P.R for them. You do their bidding by peddling the media narrative they want to put out there. All you do is ensure they keep doing it because they get the reaction from the media and people like you that they want - to slander Israel and drag them down to the gutter.

Instead, had you and the media taken a rare moral stance and in fact denounced Hamas for their use of human shields, denounced them for closing the schools so that kids would go to the riot, denounced them trying to breach the border of a sovereign nation - then they wouldn't get the media coverage they seek and would most likely take a different approach.

Auguste Comte

NKante wrote: »

How do I feel about 50 Hamas members being shot trying to breach the border? I feel delighted. As delighted as I would had it been Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah or any other terrorist group.

How do I feel that 12 are reported to be civilians? I feel that it's inevitable in war, after all NATO managed to murder a whole column of fleeing refugees in the Kosovo campaign. I feel it's tragic that Hamas deliberately use their people as human shield.

I feel it's even more tragic that people like you then do Hamas' P.R for them. You do their bidding by peddling the media narrative they want to put out there. All you do is ensure they keep doing it because they get the reaction from the media and people like you that they want - to slander Israel and drag them down to the gutter.

Instead, had you and the media taken a rare moral stance and in fact denounced Hamas for their use of human shields, denounced them for closing the schools so that kids would go to the riot, denounced them trying to breach the border of a sovereign nation - then they wouldn't get the media coverage they seek and would most likely take a different approach.

You didn't answer the question, how do you feel about the idf deliberately targeting children?

How do you feel about use of children as human shields by the idf?

Zebra3

NKante wrote: »

I mean do you guys actually think you're fooling people by saying "Zionist" instead of Jews or using the same tropes against Jews for centuries, but saying "Israel" instead.

It's like you think you're masters of deception. We know what you mean.

It used to be Jews were hated for their religion, then that became 'un-PC'

So anti-semitism then morphed into hating the Jewish race. Religious or not, if you were ethnically Jewish you were the enemy.


Hating Jews for their race became a bit touchy after WWII


Anti-semitism then found a new way to morph. Aha! the Jewish state! a convenient vehicle for anti-semites to hop onto and have a ready to use alibi for their anti-semitism. - why it's not Jews I hate....it's just Israel'

A 3 year old can see through it.

There is no such thing as “the Jewish race”. A Jew is somebody who practices Judaism.

There are jews all around the world of differing racial backgrounds as there are with a lot of religions.

Anybody walking the streets of Tel Aviv can see this straight away.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Jewish people from all over the world are welcomed to Israel with full citizenship/rights, yet Palestinians who's stolen land the Apartheid state of Israel stands won't give them their basic human rights

UN rights chief: He went on to say that Israel has systematically deprived Palestinians of their human rights, with 1.9 million in Gaza "caged in a toxic slum from birth to death".

wes

NKante wrote: »

Wow, clutching at straws here. Being more Hamas than Hamas

I proved your source unreliable. You have failed to prove it reliable or provide another reliable source, in any reply to me.

NKante wrote: »

It was originally posted on Palestinian TV website and picked up from there. MEMRI is a trustworthy site that uses native Arab speakers for translation.

Literally Hamas speaking on camera is not enough proof for you, you think da jooos manipulated the video.

Maybe see a Doctor for that level of paranoia.

You have failed to address any of the points that I raised, and I find you anti-semtic slur against Jewish people to be distasteful.

Now, get back to me, when you can provide a trust worthy source, or disprove the facts that I brought up. As it stands you argument is your right because you said so, which is childish to say the least. I have shown Memri to be untrustworthy, you have failed to disprove the facts I provided to support this.

Also, you on the one hand say Hamas are not trustworthy and then second later say we should trust what they say. So which is it then? Are they trust worthy or are they not.

I personally wouldn't trust a word they say, or consider them a reliable source on anything, and all there claims should be taken with a pinch of salt, until they can be verified.

NKante

Zebra3 wrote: »

There is no such thing as “the Jewish race”. A Jew is somebody who practices Judaism.

There are jews all around the world of differing racial backgrounds as there are with a lot of religions.

Anybody walking the streets of Tel Aviv can see this straight away.

Nonsense. Jews are legally recognised as a race in the UK for example.

You can tell if someone is Jewish by their DNA.

zapitastas

NKante wrote: »

Because the canard is really about deceitful Jews having to pay for support. The same was said pre-Israel and we all know what "you're earning your shekels" is referring to.

A lot of the anti-Israel knuckle-draggers think they're being 'subtle' with their tropes, but they're quite obvious, I can assure you.

Rubbish. What currency do you currently use in Israel ... shekels. As someone pointed out, paranoid ramblings. When you are defending the type of activities that you are, you are chipping away at your own innate decency. Be careful not to carry on down that particular path before its too late to turn back

NKante

wes wrote: »

I proved your source unreliable. You have failed to prove it reliable or provide another reliable source.

.

Nope. The burden of proof is on you. The translation is accurate, that's been established. The senior Hamas figure is known, and can be corroborated with a google search.

Major news networks have reported the same story.

You seem to think that Mossad spent the evening creating some CGI movie.

Also, Hamas haven't denied the video. The Hamas figure hasn't said it wasn't him.

The only person who thinks da joos fabricated the video is Wes from the internet.

Captain Obvious

NKante wrote: »

I mean do you guys actually think you're fooling people by saying "Zionist" instead of Jews or using the same tropes against Jews for centuries, but saying "Israel" instead.

It's like you think you're masters of deception. We know what you mean.

It used to be Jews were hated for their religion, then that became 'un-PC'

So anti-semitism then morphed into hating the Jewish race. Religious or not, if you were ethnically Jewish you were the enemy.


Hating Jews for their race became a bit touchy after WWII


Anti-semitism then found a new way to morph. Aha! the Jewish state! a convenient vehicle for anti-semites to hop onto and have a ready to use alibi for their anti-semitism. - why it's not Jews I hate....it's just Israel'

A 3 year old can see through it.

I'm certain I've never used the term "Zionist". Feel free to correct me.

wes

NKante wrote: »

Nonsense. Jews are legally recognised as a race in the UK for example.

You can tell if someone is Jewish by their DNA.

Sikhs are also recognized as a race in UK law. UK law is the arbiter of whether a group is a race or not.

BTW, Palestinians and Middle Eastern Jews are basically the same people, generically speaking.

Also, you ignore the Beber Jews, Ethiopian Jews, the Khazar Jew (read up on the Khazar Jewish kingdom). Now having said that Anti-semites consider Jews to be a race, and racialized European Jews (a more recent example would be Bosnian Muslims, who were racialized by the Serbian leadership), to justify there irrational hatred of them as a group.

Race is a social construct, and is very often based around one group hating another.

RustyNut

NKante wrote: »

You can tell if someone is Jewish by their DNA.

Comedy gold,

So I suppose god changed Ivanka Trump's when gave up Christianity and took up Judaism.

Your credibility is crashing and burning..............

wes

NKante wrote: »

Nope. The burden of proof is on you.

I provide proof, you ignored it.

NKante wrote: »

The translation is accurate, that's been established. The senior Hamas figure is known, and can be corroborated with a google search.

It hasn't actually as Mermi are untrustworthy as a source. Memri have a habit of exaggerating things and can't be trusted.

NKante wrote: »

Major news networks have reported the same story.

Yes, they are trust worthy to varying degrees. You however chose to use a propaganda outfit as a source.

NKante wrote: »

You seem to think that Mossad spent the evening creating some CGI movie.

Memri are not Mossad, and no CGI would be needed to fake a translation. You do need to do better, then the nonsense you spout.

NKante wrote: »

Also, Hamas haven't denied the video. The Hamas figure hasn't said it wasn't him.

Hamas aren't a trustworthy source either btw :rolleyes:. Amazing how you will believe the nonsense Hamas will spout when it suits you, tells us a lot about you.

NKante wrote: »

The only person who thinks da joos fabricated the video is Wes from the internet.

The same Anti-semtic slur. The level of racism your coming out with is utterly disgusting. You really need to take a look in the mirror.

Captain Obvious

RustyNut wrote: »

Comedy gold,

So I suppose god changed Ivanka Trump's when gave up Christianity and took up Judaism.

Your credibility is crashing and burning..............

Do you need a DNA change if you want to leave the Jewish faith?

NKante

RustyNut wrote: »

Comedy gold,

So I suppose god changed Ivanka Trump's when gave up Christianity and took up Judaism.

Your credibility is crashing and burning..............

Absolute state of you.

Obviously converts aren't ethnically Jewish.

Even the whitest of Jews generations in Europe have at least 50% Levantine DNA.

Jews are identifiable through DNA just as much as black people are.

shootermacg

What's the story with the kids dying? How did they die. All I can say is, if I was heading off to a day of protesting, I think I'd bloody well leave my kids at home!

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I'm certain I've never used the term "Zionist". Feel free to correct me.

Zionist is to Jewish people as Nazism is to a German, its a bigoted racist, land stealing ideology which perpetrates extreme violence to achieve its aims. Don't fear using the word. Not all Jewish people are Zionists

utyh2ikcq9z76b

shootermacg wrote: »

What's the story with the kids dying? How did they die. All I can say is, if I was heading off to a day of protesting, I think I'd bloody well leave my kids at home!

No you wouldn't, you would expect not to get shot, plenty of children at any protest in Ireland

CruelCoin

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The US pays the most for a single country, not "most of the bills". They US pays 22% of funds because it makes up 27% of economic activity
the EU pays more in total than the US.

Then why doesn't the "EU" have a seat?

The proportion paid by the total of the EU is not relevant until we have a Europistan.

The contribution of the US dwarfs the next largest nation.
It's only common sense that they would have a larger say in how things are done.

tayto lover

Who cares if they are called Jews or Zionists. They support murderers that's the thing, people who get their kicks from shooting children or seeing them shot.

NKante

shootermacg wrote: »

What's the story with the kids dying? How did they die. All I can say is, if I was heading off to a day of protesting, I think I'd bloody well leave my kids at home!

Could you show me the dead kids?

Is it that 8 month old that's since been proven to be propaganda?


Or 16 year old member of Islamic Jihad in uniform?

RustyNut

shootermacg wrote: »

What's the story with the kids dying? How did they die.

Murdered by the terrorist child killers of the idf.

irishgrover

NKante wrote: »

Nonsense. Jews are legally recognised as a race in the UK for example.

You can tell if someone is Jewish by their DNA.

by that rationale, and I'm genuinely curious, do you consider a convert from another religion to Judaism, to be somewhat less of a jew?

And since you insist on bringing up religion the whole time.... how do you address the reality that for many people, me included, religion really had nothing to do people forming their opinions on the moral appropriateness of the actions of Israel?
I genuinely don't give a flying **** about the fact that one side primarily follows Judaism and the other follows Islam... to me any country or side that declares that there are justified in their actions because they have "God" on their side is honestly bat****crazy.
For me personally, the key compass that I use to form my opinions on the validity of the Isreali position it that they claim to be democratic, they claim to be an advanced society, they claim to be the good guys, they claim to be aligned with and share a set of values with regards to decency and respect and democracy.
However their actions again and again prove that they do not respect any of these values that the claim to cherish and maintain.

So what does that make me, and those like me.... a shinnerbot? (although I think Sinn Fein and the IRA always were are are scum?), a marxist (although I'm a free market capitalist), a Humas sympathiser (although I am unambiguous in my classification of them as terrorists).... So what's left, how can you classify me and others like me to suit your agenda... an anti semite (through a process of elimination....), because what's left for you if we are not anti semites? ?
Just a realisation that there is no deflecting, underlying, distractionary reason for us to object except genuine abhorrence at a country operating in a unnecessary and violent moral vacuum?

BoJack Horseman

shootermacg wrote: »

What's the story with the kids dying? How did they die. All I can say is, if I was heading off to a day of protesting, I think I'd bloody well leave my kids at home!

When Hamas say that 50 of the 62 killed were their 'martyrs', suffice to say these "kids" are what the normal world would call "violent young men".

But people shouldn't be upset, they now have their 72 virgins and Hamas will use their EU grant money to pay thousands to the families concerned.

shootermacg

I suppose what I am asking is, how is it they were allowed to make their way to what is known to be a murder zone?

NKante

Seth Yellow Cobra wrote: »

No you wouldn't, you would expect not to get shot, plenty of children at any protest in Ireland

You seem to be confusing protests with riots organised by an internationally proscribed terrorist group embedding itself into the riot and firing on their neighbours hoping to attract return fire, then in organised fashion trying to breach a hostile border fence hurling firebombs and trying to lay explosives at the barrier.

I'm sure you won't make such a silly mistake again.

wes

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

When Hamas say that 50 of the 62 killed were their 'martyrs', suffice to say these "kids" are what the normal world would call "violent young men".

But people shouldn't be upset, they now have their 72 virgins and Hamas will use their EU grant money to pay thousands to the families concerned.

Disgusting as per usual. Making jokes about murdered protesters. The level of discourse we can expect from extremist supporters of Israel as per usual.

Odhinn

NKante wrote: »

Absolute state of you.

Obviously converts aren't ethnically Jewish.

Even the whitest of Jews generations in Europe have at least 50% Levantine DNA.

Jews are identifiable through DNA just as much as black people are.

...the same way DNA that shows how closely related Palestinians are to Jews.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Guys politics.ie is a cesspit of Zionist/hasbara tolls, if you have the time to help out over there.

Ireland being one of the main supporters of Palestine, no doubt because of our own oppression, is high on Israels target. Groups like http://www.ipsc.ie have been banned from entering Israel, the mayor of Dublin was humiliated, they even got bank accounts from various groups shut down.

These trolls will let it slip that they are not Irish, part of the way they use language just won't be right, or they know a little arabic etc etc

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/how-deal-zionist-trolls-and-their-facts-78866604

riffmongous

God I swear the shills get more and more pathetic each year.

Subcomandante Marcos

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

When Hamas say that 50 of the 62 killed were their 'martyrs', suffice to say these "kids" are what the normal world would call "violent young men".

But people shouldn't be upset, they now have their 72 virgins and Hamas will use their EU grant money to pay thousands to the families concerned.

I refer you to post #512.

Annd9

NKante wrote: »

I mean do you guys actually think you're fooling people by saying "Zionist" instead of Jews or using the same tropes against Jews for centuries, but saying "Israel" instead.

It's like you think you're masters of deception. We know what you mean.


When you say "we" who exactly are you talking about ?

CruelCoin

Seth Yellow Cobra wrote: »

No you wouldn't, you would expect not to get shot, plenty of children at any protest in Ireland

Jaysus lads.

If someone tells you, "Approach the fence with violent intent and i'll end you", and you then not only do that, but you bring your ****ing kids along, then it's the darwin award for you.

RustyNut

shootermacg wrote: »

I suppose what I am asking is, how is it they were allowed to make their way to what is known to be a murder zone?

The whole of Gaza is a murder zone if you happen to be a Palastinian child, nowhere is safe.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

CruelCoin wrote: »

Jaysus lads.

If someone tells you, "Approach the fence with violent intent and i'll end you", and you then not only do that, but you bring your ****ing kids along, then it's the darwin award for you.

Maybe the protesters in the bogside on bloody Sunday when British soldiers shot 28 unarmed civilians during a peaceful protest march deserved it as well by your logic

Also check some the footage coming out of Gaza, they were just shooting anyone, anywhere
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1962330673786391&id=233417303344412

Since protests began on March 30, Israeli forces have killed 106 Palestinians, including 15 children. More than 12,000 were injured, at least 3,500 by live ammunition

UN votes to send war crimes investigators to Gaza

RustyNut

CruelCoin wrote: »

Jaysus lads.

If someone tells you, "Approach the fence with violent intent and i'll end you", and you then not only do that, but you bring your ****ing kids along, then it's the darwin award for you.

If you kill children just for being in proximity to a fence then it should be a war crime trial for you.

riffmongous

CruelCoin wrote: »

Jaysus lads.

If someone tells you, "Approach the fence with violent intent and i'll end you", and you then not only do that, but you bring your ****ing kids along, then it's the darwin award for you.

Stand up to us and we'll kill you..
Every freedom and resistance fighter in history was wrong and stupid then according to you

CruelCoin

CruelCoin wrote: »

Jaysus lads.

If someone tells you, "Approach the fence with violent intent and i'll end you", and you then not only do that, but you bring your ****ing kids along, then it's the darwin award for you.

Draw the fence on a map. Go for it, please. We'll wreck you going back in time or reminding you in a few years time.

Israel and its "borders" are a disgrace to 21st century Earth. Their foreign supporters are worse than any of their citizens or even soldiers.

Franz Von Peppercorn

NKante wrote: »

You seem to be confusing protests with riots organised by an internationally proscribed terrorist group embedding itself into the riot and firing on their neighbours hoping to attract return fire, then in organised fashion trying to breach a hostile border fence hurling firebombs and trying to lay explosives at the barrier.

I'm sure you won't make such a silly mistake again.

We’ve heard these excuses before from Bloody Sunday to sharpville. All the bloody Sunday in fact.

Captain Obvious

It's ironic that they keep talking about their borders when they don't even recognise what's on the other side of the border.

Billy86

NKante wrote: »

I mean do you guys actually think you're fooling people by saying "Zionist" instead of Jews or using the same tropes against Jews for centuries, but saying "Israel" instead.

Go away with that, saying you cannot criticise Zionists at all because they happen to be Jewish is the same as saying you cannot criticise Islamic terrorists at all because they happen to be Muslim. And let's face it, the modern day Zionists forcing themselves into Palestinian lands and supporting the butchering of protestor are little more than terrorists.

What people should not do is to try and conflate the two to mean that all Muslims = Islamic terrorists or all Jewish people = Zionist terrorists. But outside of yourself, I've not noticed much (if any?) people trying to do that in this thread.

Billy86

Billy86 wrote: »

Go away with that, saying you cannot criticise Zionists at all because they happen to be Jewish is the same as saying you cannot criticise Islamic terrorists at all because they happen to be Muslim.

What people should not do is to try and conflate the two to mean that all Muslims = Islamic terrorists or all Jewish people = Zionist terrorists. But outside of yourself, I've not noticed much (if one?) of people trying to do that in this thread.

Billy, don't even bother.

Every sane person in here knows that once they bring it back to that crap, they've nothing else left good to say.


Edit: Maybe I'm misunderstanding things here. It all seems a little bit too nonsensical.

Zebra3

If the Palestinians organised a “Thanks for Ethincly Cleansing Us” march, the Israelis would still be making up excuses for slaughtering them.

“Negotiate, peaceful protest only then we can go places together” said the Israelis.

Oslo Accords brought more and more criminal settlers stealing more land.

BDS campaign called terrorists.

Israel is obsessed with war against Palestine.

taheen

Well, Israel been making friends left and right for decades in the region, feeling powerful backed up by biggest terrorist state. Eradicating Palestinians just an everyday routine. No sympathy for that nation whatsoever (jews, i mean jews).