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Does Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

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  • #952
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Taytoland wrote: »
    It's a Jewish state. So it's hardly a surprise.

    Actually its a "Jewish and democratic State", or so it defines itself. The second part of that gets more hollow each day.


  • #953
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Grayson wrote: »
    I know a load of Israeli's and like em a lot. They are lovely people. However the state of israel has committed loads of crimes. If they stopped settling Palestinian lands I'd have a lot more respect for them.

    Taytoland wrote: »
    So has every major country in the world, that's life. How do you think the United States came about or Spain and so on.

    You've just said it all. In your thinking might is right and morality has no place. Moses' message "Thou shalt not steal" can be applied to others but dispensed with in respect to ourselves. The trouble is, while indigenous Americans and Australians had to take it lying down, Palestinians are not for playing that game, and the whole world is paying for it.
    It is not surprising that you should offer such an amoral apologia for the Israeli government now that they have abandoned all pretence to being anything other than another pre-apartheid South Africa, encouraged, aided and abetted by the delinquent in Washington.


  • #954
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    Airstrikes for the last 2 hours. No rocket fire back yet. An IDF soldier has died after being sniped earlier today.


  • #955
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    feargale wrote: »
    Grayson wrote: »
    I know a load of Israeli's and like em a lot. They are lovely people. However the state of israel has committed loads of crimes. If they stopped settling Palestinian lands I'd have a lot more respect for them.

    Taytoland wrote: »
    So has every major country in the world, that's life. How do you think the United States came about or Spain and so on.

    You've just said it all. In your thinking might is right and morality has no place. Moses' message "Thou shalt not steal" can be applied to others but dispensed with in respect to ourselves. The trouble is, while indigenous Americans and Australians had to take it lying down, Palestinians are not for playing that game, and the whole world is paying for it.
    It is not surprising that you should offer such an amoral apologia for the Israeli government  now that they have abandoned all pretence to being anything other than another pre-apartheid South Africa, encouraged, aided and abetted by the delinquent in Washington.
    It doesn't in that part of the world. It's a fight to the death and Israel is conquering.


  • #956
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Good policy as it protects Jews.

    It doesn't protect Jews. It's just fascism.


  • #957
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,404 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Good policy as it protects Jews.

    Hitler's policies only protected Germans.
    Sad how Jews now back methods used by the above named and have learned absolutely nothing from history.


  • #958
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    Good policy as it protects Jews.

    Hitler's policies only protected Germans.
    Sad how Jews now back methods used by the above named and have learned absolutely nothing from history.

    I think less of this antisemitism can only be a good thing. They have to protect Jewish people.


  • #959
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Taytoland wrote: »
    So has every major country in the world, that's life. How do you think the United States came about or Spain and so on.

    Taytoland wrote: »
    It doesn't in that part of the world. It's a fight to the death and Israel is conquering.

    You do realise ( or do you? ) that this attitude of yours, totally devoid of morality, seriously undermines any denunciation by you, an ulster loyalist, of IRA violence.

    The fact is that you lot only discovered Israel when republicans/nationalists by and large declared their support of Palestinians. If nationalists supported England in a World Cup final against the Vatican your crowd would root for the Pope's men.


  • #960
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Taytoland wrote: »
    I think less of this antisemitism can only be a good thing. They have to protect Jewish people.

    The blood libel in reverse.


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  • #961
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    feargale wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    So has every major country in the world, that's life. How do you think the United States came about or Spain and so on.

    Taytoland wrote: »
    It doesn't in that part of the world. It's a fight to the death and Israel is conquering.

    You do realise ( or do you? ) that this attitude of yours, totally devoid of morality, seriously undermines any denunciation by you, an ulster loyalist, of IRA violence.

    The fact is that you lot only discovered Israel when republicans/nationalists by and large declared their support of Palestinians. If nationalists supported England in a World Cup final against the Vatican your crowd would root for the Pope's men.
    I wish a peace agreement could happen but ultimately it doesn't look like happening, so Israel should look to close in and end it.


  • #962
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Taytoland wrote: »
    I wish a peace agreement could happen but ultimately it doesn't look like happening, so Israel should look to close in and end it.

    A Final solution?


  • #963
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Taytoland wrote: »
    I wish a peace agreement could happen but ultimately it doesn't look like happening, so Israel should look to close in and end it.

    So your in favour of genocide. To be fair not the first time under your many guises.


  • #964
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    So your in favour of genocide. To be fair not the first time under your many guises.

    Genocide is grand as long as it's by the "superior" group, apparently.


  • #965
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    I wish a peace agreement could happen but ultimately it doesn't look like happening, so Israel should look to close in and end it.

    So your in favour of genocide. To be fair not the first time under your many guises.
    The Jews are already taking over the land with these settlements. Is a military victory out of the question?


  • #966
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Taytoland wrote: »
    The Jews are already taking over the land with these settlements. Is a military victory out of the question?

    Your promoting genocide.


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  • #967
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    The Jews are already taking over the land with these settlements. Is a military victory out of the question?

    Your promoting genocide.
    Military victory isn't genocide, that's just stupid. It's destroying the Palestinian movement's internal structures in the region.


  • #968
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Military victory isn't genocide, that's just stupid. It's destroying the Palestinian movement's internal structures in the region.

    Your promoting Genocide.


  • #969
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Taytoland wrote: »
    I wish a peace agreement could happen but ultimately it doesn't look like happening, so Israel should look to close in and end it.

    You do in your ass. Every post of yours is a sabre rattle. Your might is right philosophy is a recipe for all-out universal permanent war.

    When I see an idiot looking over his fence obsessing about the weeds in his neighbour's garden I worry deeply about the condition of his own rust-belt.


  • #970
    satguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭satguy


    There will come a time when, for the sake of peace and quiet in our own countries here in the west. We will have to deal with those squatter Israelis.

    They had a homeland, its boarders where set, but they just keep pushing..


  • #971
    Arthur Daley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    satguy wrote: »
    There will come a time when, for the sake of peace and quiet in our own countries here in the west. We will have to deal with those squatter Israelis.

    They had a homeland, its boarders where set, but they just keep pushing..

    The price we have paid for this has been huge. Think of those poor souls as those towers fell. Plus so many thousands of others.

    The Seanad made a stand last week to play our part. A day the Irish can be proud of. Nobody killed or harmed, some inconvenienced. That is all.


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  • #972
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Arthur Daley wrote: »
    The price we have paid for this has been huge. Think of those poor souls as those towers fell. Plus so many thousands of others.

    The Seanad made a stand last week to play our part. A day the Irish can be proud of. Nobody killed or harmed, some inconvenienced. That is all.
    I'm sorry so you are blaming Israel for 9/11? Seems to me that the blame lies with Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda for that!


  • #973
    backspin.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    skepticalme wrote: »
    Airstrikes for the last 2 hours. No rocket fire back yet. An IDF soldier has died after being sniped earlier today.

    25 years ago when I first started paying attention to this issue. One Israeli death meant revenge of 2 or 3 Palestinians. Then it moved to 10 or more now it's about 100.


  • #974
    Arthur Daley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    I'm sorry so you are blaming Israel for 9/11? Seems to me that the blame lies with Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda for that!

    I think irrespective of who may you believe organised Sept 11th, the Middle east conflict was given as the motivation.


  • #975
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    I see the Israelis have evacuated over 400 white helmets from Syria overnight as a "humanitarian gesture"... You couldn't make this stuff up


  • #976
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    I see the Israelis have evacuated over 400 white helmets from Syria overnight as a "humanitarian gesture"... You couldn't make this stuff up

    Over 800 transferred through Israel to Jordan to be sent to UK, Canada and Germany. Headchoppers coming soon to a country near you.!
    At least now it's official, they were never real Syrian civil defense.


  • #977
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    I'm sorry so you are blaming Israel for 9/11? Seems to me that the blame lies with Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda for that!


    Ever hear of the dancing Israelis arrested, mossad agents dancing on top of a van cheering and documenting the twin towers.
    And what do you know, next the war on terror begins for whose benefit do you think?


  • #978
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    skepticalme wrote: »
    Ever hear of the dancing Israelis arrested, mossad agents dancing on top of a van cheering and documenting the twin towers.
    And what do you know, next the war on terror begins for whose benefit do you think?
    I think your post is better suited to the conspiracy forum. I do remember the Palestinians celebrating the 9/11 attacks around that time!


  • #979
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    I think your post is better suited to the conspiracy forum. I do remember the Palestinians celebrating the 9/11 attacks around that time!

    There is no proof that one small group of people in the West Bank cheering was about the attack on the twin towers. It was a good way to stir up some anti arab sentiment though before the 'war on terror'.

    However there is documented evidence of the mossad agents celebrating, arrested, failing lie detectors, lying they were working for a moving company that was a cover for israeli intelligence and was abandoned shortly after and then quietly sent back to Israel.

    Don't have to be much of a conspiracy theorist to find something odd about that.


  • #980
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,140 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    skepticalme wrote: »
    Ever hear of the dancing Israelis arrested, mossad agents dancing on top of a van cheering and documenting the twin towers.
    .............


    I did. It's filed in my brain in the "shite talk" section.


  • #981
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    Odhinn wrote: »
    I did. It's filed in my brain in the "shite talk" section.


    https://21stcenturywire.com/2015/09/11/911-revisited-declassified-fbi-files-reveal-new-details-about-the-five-israelis/

    Last paragraph
    Though one of the Israelis apologized for his “jovial” behavior as he watched the Twin Towers burn, there’s no denying that he and the other two Israelis in the Doric Towers rear parking lot were happy about the World Trade Center attacks. Upon arrests and during interrogations, several of the Israelis believed the terror attacks would motivate the United States to respond to terrorism much like the way Israel responded to terror attacks in their country.


    What about the USS Liberty, Israel tried to sink that ship and shot at survivors in the water and tried to blame Egypt. The survivors said the Israeli's knew they were US. With friends like these ........


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  • #982
    tigerboon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭tigerboon


    skepticalme wrote: »
    Ever hear of the dancing Israelis arrested, mossad agents dancing on top of a van cheering and documenting the twin towers.
    And what do you know, next the war on terror begins for whose benefit do you think?

    Foil hats are cheaper to make with European aluminium thanks to Trumps tarrifs. Hope this will tip will save you a few bob


  • #983
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    tigerboon wrote: »
    Foil hats are cheaper to make with European aluminium thanks to Trumps tarrifs. Hope this will tip will save you a few bob

    I suppose you think Israel's undeclared nuclear weapons are a conspiracy too!


  • #984
    cfuserkildare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    skepticalme wrote: »
    I suppose you think Israel's undeclared nuclear weapons are a conspiracy too!

    The big question really is,
    What are yeh all going to do about it?
    Easy sitting back being a bunch of Keyboard Warriors, but who can or Will do something about it??


  • #985
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    Head to Head
    Gaza and nuclear weapons. Really interesting and great interview.
    Israel takes no responsibility for any death, all Hamas fault.
    Israel has nuclear weapons for defensive purposes, any other country wants them for offensive purposes.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=pfw2AVqcne0


  • #986
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    cfuserkildare wrote: »
    The big question really is,
    What are yeh all going to do about it?
    Easy sitting back being a bunch of Keyboard Warriors, but who can or Will do something about it??


    As individuals we can boycott Israeli products.
    At the minimum make sure politicians know we want them to support the occupied territories bill to boycott goods from the settlements on stolen land.
    Spread the word, amazing how little some people know about palastinians and the hell Israel makes their lives.


  • #987
    Ozymandius2011
    Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Mossad's twitter account has been openly calling on people to vote no in Thejournal.ie in the poll on whether we should ban imports from Israeli settlements.


  • #988
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Mossad would stab your granny in the eye of they thought you didn't like Matzah ball soup.


  • #989
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,140 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Ozymandius2011 wrote: »
    Mossad's twitter account has been openly calling on people to vote no in Thejournal.ie in the poll on whether we should ban imports from Israeli settlements.


    And still "yes" is in a majority. The cats out of the bag lads.


  • #990
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    Ozymandius2011 wrote: »
    Mossad's twitter account has been openly calling on people to vote no in Thejournal.ie in the poll on whether we should ban imports from Israeli settlements.

    They did the same with the poll on boycotting Eurovision. The advice for Israel supporters was clear your cookies each time and you can vote again and again.


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  • #991
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,813 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Odhinn wrote: »
    And still "yes" is in a majority. The cats out of the bag lads.

    No is in the lead now :pac: The Journal must be loving all the clicks


  • #992
    Strabanimal
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Strabanimal


    It's a very similar situation to ours in the North not so long ago. Maybe you can set up hospitals and such at the border, but we all know you're too soft to do anything as genetic sellouts.


  • #993
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Thanks just voted NO in the poll! Glad to see that the No side is ahead in the poll.


  • #994
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,140 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    Thanks just voted NO in the poll! Glad to see that the No side is ahead in the poll.


    Why?


  • #995
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,813 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    Thanks just voted NO in the poll! Glad to see that the No side is ahead in the poll.

    You should get the offical hasbara app, it sends out missions telling you where to comment and vote so you'll never miss one again

    https://act-il.com/act-il-app/


  • #996
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Why?

    Why not? I won't get into it with you or the other anti-Israel posters on here including mods as it seems to be fine to call people names if you support Israel t but sugesst any one is a leftist anti-Israel anti-jew you get banned,.


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  • #997
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,140 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    Why not? I won't get into it with you or the other anti-Israel posters on here including mods as it seems to be fine to call people names if you support Israel t but sugesst any one is a leftist anti-Israel anti-jew you get banned,.




    ....as is only appropriate, when you make groundless accusations. You seem to be saying that you've no explanation for your stance save name calling and labelling.


  • #998
    Greyfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    Why not? I won't get into it with you or the other anti-Israel posters on here..

    How do you explain the map of the area now compared to 50 years ago? The map very very clearly shows Israel has expanded dramatically in that time and Palestine has shrunk dramatically, Palestine will continue to get smaller until theres pretty much nothing left and nothing can stop this. anybody who thinks otherwise may as well be believing that the earth is flat.


  • #999
    dav3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Those crazy israelis with their poll manipulations and vote rigging. A great bunch of lads.

    They should probably just stick to robbing passports and Irish people's identity, it's far more effective for them.


  • #1000
    Madagascan
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭Madagascan


    skepticalme wrote: »
    cfuserkildare wrote: »
    The big question really is,
    What are yeh all going to do about it?
    Easy sitting back being a bunch of Keyboard Warriors, but who can or Will do something about it??


    As individuals we can boycott Israeli products.
    At the minimum make sure politicians know we want them to support the occupied territories bill to boycott goods from the settlements on stolen land.
    Spread the word, amazing how little some people know about palastinians and the hell Israel makes their lives.
    Yes a boycott could be a good idea.
    Would mean Israel earn less money.
    Then they have to give Gazza less money.
    As you know Israel funds Gazza for millions.
    That will mean Hamas has less money to build tunnels to attack Israel and launch missiles.
    It is estimated 90% of the money that is sent to Gazza is used by Hamas to attack Israel.


  • #1001
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,140 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Madagascan wrote: »
    Yes a boycott could be a good idea.
    Would mean Israel earn less money.
    Then they have to give Gazza less money.
    As you know Israel funds Gazza for millions.
    That will mean Hamas has less money to build tunnels to attack Israel and launch missiles.
    It is estimated 90% of the money that is sent to Gazza is used by Hamas to attack Israel.


    I remember such arguments from when they were used to oppose sanctions on Apartheid South Africa. They made no sense then, nor now.



    You realise that Gaza is actually not the home of the majority of Palestinians? That hamas is in fact the smaller faction in Palestinian politics?


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