Does Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

skepticalme

That poll is a joke. Over 8000 shares on facebook, over 96,500 votes since yesterday. Holding steady at 50% no. Who could be still voting like crazy at this hour on a weekend??

end of the road

skepticalme wrote: »

That poll is a joke. Over 8000 shares on facebook, over 96,500 votes since yesterday. Holding steady at 50% no. Who could be still voting like crazy at this hour on a weekend??

hasbara bots most likely.

weldoninhio

Madagascan wrote: »

Yes a boycott could be a good idea.
Would mean Israel earn less money.
Then they have to give Gazza less money.
As you know Israel funds Gazza for millions.
That will mean Hamas has less money to build tunnels to attack Israel and launch missiles.
It is estimated 90% of the money that is sent to Gazza is used by Hamas to attack Israel.

Why are Israel giving Gazza money?? Has he drank all his own??

Madagascan

Odhinn wrote: »

Madagascan wrote: »

Yes a boycott could be a good idea.
Would mean Israel earn less money.
Then they have to give Gazza less money.
As you know Israel funds Gazza for millions.
That will mean Hamas has less money to build tunnels to attack Israel and launch missiles.
It is estimated 90% of the money that is sent to Gazza is used by Hamas to attack Israel.

You realise that Gaza is actually not the home of the majority of Palestinians? That hamas is in fact the smaller faction in Palestinian politics?

Yes.
The Palestinians don't have a Homeland, they refuse to have one.
They want the land of Israel and to kill all the Jewish people in it.
You all know this and still support Hamas?
This really comes down to Jew hatred, can't be anything else.

tayto lover

Madagascan wrote: »

Yes.
The Palestinians don't have a Homeland, they refuse to have one.
They want the land of Israel and to kill all the Jewish people in it.
You all know this and still support Hamas?
This really comes down to Jew hatred, can't be anything else.

You really must try harder. Poor attempt.:D

SnakePlissken

Isn't this thread a little too sombre for After Hours?

From the charter...

What is After Hours?
After hours is the place to come on boards where general discussion can be light-hearted. The aim here is to have a bit of a laugh and not to piss anybody off while doing so.

Taytoland

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Isn't this thread a little too sombre for After Hours?

From the charter...

What is After Hours?
After hours is the place to come on boards where general discussion can be light-hearted. The aim here is to have a bit of a laugh and not to piss anybody off while doing so.

Not realistic.

SnakePlissken

Taytoland wrote: »

Not realistic.

Two popular After Hours threads were closed this week for that very reason.

frosty123

Seth Yellow Cobra wrote: »

Apartheid Israel has brought barbaric treatment to a whole new level

Isreal is the only democratic country in the middle east, jew and arabs live side by side with generally no hassle, gay rights are upheld, women rights are upheld....try being openly gay in an islamic country like Palestine and see what happens? you'd be lynched

that doesn't excuse what the Isreali army are doing, but calling it an Aparteid state is utter nonsense

jobbridge4life

frosty123 wrote: »

Isreal is the only democratic country in the middle east, jew and arabs live side by side with generally no hassle, gay rights are upheld, women rights are upheld....try being openly gay in an islamic country like Palestine and see what happens? you'd be lynched

that doesn't excuse what the Isreali army are doing, but calling it an Aparteid state is utter nonsense

You know more than the largest Israeli newspaper?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/the-apartheid-prime-minister-1.6319599

PlaneSpeeking

jobbridge4life wrote: »

You know more than the largest Israeli newspaper?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/the-apartheid-prime-minister-1.6319599

Size isn't everything. That's the equivalent of the Guardian but even more left - it makes a decent, balanced paper look like the S*n.

SnakePlissken

jobbridge4life wrote: »

You know more than the largest Israeli newspaper?

It's one of Israel's least popular papers with readership at a paltry 3.9% of the market.

end of the road

frosty123 wrote: »

women rights are upheld.

well, seems not in certain circumstances.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/02/27/the-precarious-balance-of-womens-rights-in-israel/

end of the road

SnakePlissken wrote: »

It's one of Israel's least popular papers with readership at a paltry 3.9% of the market.

that doesn't make what it is saying wrong however. popularity doesn't decide the validity of content.
i believe the sun is the most popular paper in the uk for example.

jobbridge4life

SnakePlissken wrote: »

It's one of Israel's least popular papers with readership at a paltry 3.9% of the market.

Apologies, I was mistaken regarding the paper's popularity.

PlaneSpeeking

end of the road wrote: »

well, seems not in certain circumstances.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/02/27/the-precarious-balance-of-womens-rights-in-israel/

You might want to try and actually read that story.

Odhinn

frosty123 wrote: »

Isreal is the only democratic country in the middle east, jew and arabs live side by side with generally no hassle, gay rights are upheld, women rights are upheld....try being openly gay in an islamic country like Palestine and see what happens? you'd be lynched

that doesn't excuse what the Isreali army are doing, but calling it an Aparteid state is utter nonsense

In the occupied territories there are "settler" only roads and areas, and a two tier "justice" system, whereby "settlers" have access to Israeli law but their palestinian neighbours are dealt with by martial law administrated by the IDF. That there is apartheid.
https://www.yesh-din.org/en/reports-data/?refineByType=68

Zebra3

frosty123 wrote: »

Isreal is the only democratic country in the middle east, jew and arabs live side by side with generally no hassle, gay rights are upheld, women rights are upheld....try being openly gay in an islamic country like Palestine and see what happens? you'd be lynched

that doesn't excuse what the Isreali army are doing, but calling it an Aparteid state is utter nonsense

Can you explain to me how a Jew and non-Jew can get married in Israel?

(Clue:it's a trick question, they can't).

Can you tell me about the Israeli constitution?

(Clue:it's a trick question, they don't have one).

Israel is not a democracy and it is an apartheid state.

Recent legislation will also bring about Jewish only areas inside Israel to add to the Jewish only areas in the Occupied West Bank.

tayto lover

frosty123 wrote: »

Isreal is the only democratic country in the middle east, jew and arabs live side by side with generally no hassle, gay rights are upheld, women rights are upheld....try being openly gay in an islamic country like Palestine and see what happens? you'd be lynched

that doesn't excuse what the Isreali army are doing, but calling it an Aparteid state is utter nonsense

You might ask the Palestinian women if they feel their rights are being upheld.
I know the answer you'll get and so do you,

Taytoland

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Odhinn wrote: »

Why?

Why not?  I won't get into it with you or the other anti-Israel posters on here including mods as it seems to be fine to call people names if you support Israel t but sugesst any one is a leftist anti-Israel anti-jew you get banned,.

Well I defend the Jews on here all the time and will continue to do so and I think people on here respect that.

Zebra3

Taytoland wrote: »

Well I defend the Jews on here all the time and will continue to do so and I think people on here respect that.

Very few people respect you defending criminals involved in ethnic cleansing.

end of the road

Taytoland wrote: »

Well I defend the Jews on here all the time and will continue to do so and I think people on here respect that.

i think 99% of people on here defend the jews to be fair. criticism of israel is not criticism of jews. the same as criticism of saudi arabia is not criticism of islam.

Taytoland

Zebra3 wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Well I defend the Jews on here all the time and will continue to do so and I think people on here respect that.

Very few people respect you defending criminals involved in ethnic cleansing.

Just don't want Jews having to suffer another holocaust which is called for in the Hamas covenant.

end of the road

Taytoland wrote: »

Just don't want Jews having to suffer another holocaust which is called for in the Hamas covenant.

the good news is that won't happen. nothing to do with israel though.

Zebra3

Taytoland wrote: »

Just don't want Jews having to suffer another holocaust which is called for in the Hamas covenant.

So you are happy enough for Palestinians to suffer at the hands of Israeli terrorism because of something Germany did to Jewish people?

Taytoland

Zebra3 wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Just don't want Jews having to suffer another holocaust which is called for in the Hamas covenant.

So you are happy enough for Palestinians to suffer at the hands of Israeli terrorism because of something Germany did to Jewish people?

I worry for the existence of the Jewish people in that area and the Hamas charter makes me worried for them.

Subcomandante Marcos

Taytoland wrote: »

Just don't want Jews having to suffer another holocaust which is called for in the Hamas covenant.

If Hamas are such an existential threat to Israel, why did Israeli intelligence agencies help them grow as a way to destabilize the influence of Fatah in Gaza?


The "Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement" was officially dropped by Hamas in over a year ago and replaced by a new Charter which recognises the borders of 1967, specifically states that they reject the persecution of anyone based on religion, ethnicity or nationality, rejects anti-semitism and persecution of Jews or Judaism, and states the following:

16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

This is something re-affirms their previous statements, as far back as a decade ago, that Hamas would accept the a two state solution along the 1967 armistice lines, in agreement with the 2002 Arab League plan (re-published in 2007) and the position of Fatah as far back as 1988. They even agreed with like-for-like land swaps along the border to make it more viable.

So can you drop the second holocaust lies now?

Zebra3

Taytoland wrote: »

I worry for the existence of the Jewish people in that area and the Hamas charter makes me worried for them.

You are worried for the Jews but not bothered about the Palestinian Christians and muslims even though Israeli jews have been ethnicly cleansing them since 1948?

Class act, you are.

James Brown

Taytoland wrote: »

I worry for the existence of the Jewish people in that area and the Hamas charter makes me worried for them.

You may have concern for the Israeli state, mostly occupied by people of the Jewish faith, by design, but Israel is not the Jewish people. You can protest the murders and apartheid perpetrated by the Israeli regime and be fine and dandy with the Jewish faith and it's peoples.
Trying to tie all Jews to the murderous Israel regime is antisemitic IMO.
There are plenty of Jewish Israelis not happy with the current regime too.

Taytoland

Zebra3 wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

I worry for the existence of the Jewish people in that area and the Hamas charter makes me worried for them.

You are worried for the Jews but not bothered about the Palestinian Christians and muslims even though Israeli jews have been ethnicly cleansing them since 1948?

Class act, you are.

Have you more information on these Palestinian Christians being murdered?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Taytoland wrote: »

I worry for the existence of the Jewish people in that area and the Hamas charter makes me worried for them.

I’m worried that Yemen might kill everybody in the US. So it’s good the US are killing them first.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Taytoland wrote: »

Have you more information on these Palestinian Christians being murdered?

You’re correct to question that because Palestinian Christians are in fact bomb proof, so Israel can’t hurt them.

Subcomandante Marcos

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You’re correct to question that because Palestinian Christians are in fact bomb proof, so Israel can’t hurt them.

The loolaa unionists and american evangelical taliban who cheerlead the war crimes of Israel never think to consider how these actions impact on the lives of the world's oldest Christian communities.

Taytoland

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Have you more information on these Palestinian Christians being murdered?

You’re correct to question that because Palestinian Christians are in fact bomb proof, so Israel can’t hurt them.

I would like to see some evidence of it. It would be a game changer among many who support the persecuted Christians around the world.

PlaneSpeeking

end of the road wrote: »

the good news is that won't happen. nothing to do with israel though.

Well there's the Middle East problem solved.

frosty123

You've got to understand the Israeli/Jewish mindset, you're talking about a race of people who were nearly wiped out during the holocaust, the western powers didn't come to their aid until it was too late...they don't trust anyone after that.

Thats why they're hell bent on having their own homeland, a safe haven as it were so as to protect them from that ever happening again....i'm not saying its right but its understandable.

TommyKnocker

frosty123 wrote: »

You've got to understand the Israeli/Jewish mindset, you're talking about a race of people who were nearly wiped out during the holocaust, the western powers didn't come to their aid until it was too late...they don't trust anyone after that.

Thats why they're hell bent on having their own homeland, a safe haven as it were so as to protect them from that ever happening again....i'm not saying its right but its understandable.

So they rock up in someone elses homeland with a story book saying a sky fairy said it was ok and start treating the locals in a similar manner to the way they claim to have been treated down through the ages and somehow this is supposed to be ok :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Odhinn

frosty123 wrote: »

You've got to understand the Israeli/Jewish mindset, you're talking about a race of people who were nearly wiped out during the holocaust, the western powers didn't come to their aid until it was too late...they don't trust anyone after that.

Thats why they're hell bent on having their own homeland, a safe haven as it were so as to protect them from that ever happening again....i'm not saying its right but its understandable.

They have one. Building an extension by annexation of the neighbours gaff is not on though.

jobbridge4life

frosty123 wrote: »

You've got to understand the Israeli/Jewish mindset, you're talking about a race of people who were nearly wiped out during the holocaust, the western powers didn't come to their aid until it was too late...they don't trust anyone after that.

Thats why they're hell bent on having their own homeland, a safe haven as it were so as to protect them from that ever happening again....i'm not saying its right but its understandable.

That is fair enough, but the consequences of their experiences are not necessarily set in stone. It is possible that learning from their own suffering should entail a great sense of empathy within Israeli society towards the displaced and locked in Palestinian people.

That we see a dearth of this reaction is not merely a consequence of history but deliberate choices and actions of certain elements of Israeli society.

cfuserkildare

frosty123 wrote: »

You've got to understand the Israeli/Jewish mindset, you're talking about a race of people who were nearly wiped out during the holocaust, the western powers didn't come to their aid until it was too late...they don't trust anyone after that.

Thats why they're hell bent on having their own homeland, a safe haven as it were so as to protect them from that ever happening again....i'm not saying its right but its understandable.

Wrong,
Being Jewish is a Religion, Not Being a Race, Irelands treatment at the hands of the English yes, Scotlands treatment at the hands of the English Yes, Welsh etc etc, But the Jews are Not a Race, Remember that most of the central European Jews were for example, German, Austrian, Polish, Hungarian etc, etc,
As being Jewish is choosing to belong to a specific Religion, Many could Also view being Jewish as a Choice!!!, ( Not my opinion by the way. )

Royal Irish

frosty123 wrote: »

You've got to understand the Israeli/Jewish mindset, you're talking about a race of people who were nearly wiped out during the holocaust, the western powers didn't come to their aid until it was too late...they don't trust anyone after that.

Thats why they're hell bent on having their own homeland, a safe haven as it were so as to protect them from that ever happening again....i'm not saying its right but its understandable.

Israelis treatment of the Palestinians is just going to make it more likely that they will actually need a safe haven in the future.

Its also worth pointing out that straight after WWII, 800,000 Jews came to Palestine but there was only 100,000 survivors of the holocaust.

PlaneSpeeking

Royal Irish wrote: »

Israelis treatment of the Palestinians is just going to make it more likely that they will actually need a safe haven in the future.

Its also worth pointing out that straight after WWII, 800,000 Jews came to Palestine but there was only 100,000 survivors of the holocaust.

Heaven forbid you'd stay in a country where the bodies of your family were still smouldering.

Royal Irish

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Heaven forbid you'd stay in a country where the bodies of your family were still smouldering.

I think you've missed the point.

fryup

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Wrong,
Being Jewish is a Religion, Not Being a Race,

its both, a religion and a race

end of the road

fryup wrote: »

its both, a religion and a race

no it's a religion.

Madagascan

jobbridge4life wrote: »

frosty123 wrote: »

Isreal is the only democratic country in the middle east, jew and arabs live side by side with generally no hassle, gay rights are upheld, women rights are upheld....try being openly gay in an islamic country like Palestine and see what happens? you'd be lynched

that doesn't excuse what the Isreali army are doing, but calling it an Aparteid state is utter nonsense

You know more than the largest Israeli newspaper?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/the-apartheid-prime-minister-1.6319599

At least in Israel that is allowed to be published.
Now try something similar in an Arab County.
There's one Jewish County in the World and people object to it.
How many Arab?
22 I think.
Not much said.

Madagascan

Zebra3 wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Well I defend the Jews on here all the time and will continue to do so and I think people on here respect that.

Very few people respect you defending criminals involved in ethnic cleansing.

Don't think he's defending Hamas.
Internationally recognised Terrorist group.

Atoms for Peace

"Until 2015 its principal manufacturing facility was located in the Mishor Adumim industrial park in the West Bank, creating controversy and a boycott campaign.[8][9][10] In October 2015, SodaStream closed its factory in Ma'ale Adumim, and moved to a new facility in Lehavim,[11] laying off more than 500 Palestinian workers.[12] While SodaStream tried to retain some of its Palestinian employees, the Israeli government denied all but 74 of them permits."

skepticalme

Israel and Hamas spent Wednesday night firing at each other. Israel as usual acting in self defence launched over 150 airstrikes one directly on a home killing an 8 month pregnant woman and her toddler. Her husband is in a coma. Flattened the water and sanitation centre Gaza with 1. Yesterday launched 6 missiles at a cultural centre in the middle of Gaza, a 5 story building and flattened it. The BBC reported that 'Israeli strikes killed woman and toddler.' The Israeli's complained and told them to change it. They did. It then read 'Gaza airstrikes kill woman and child after rockets hit Israel'. Why has Israel the power to change newspaper headlines? I know they're after Corbyn in the UK because of his support for Palastinians, what else are they influencing. This should be stopped now.
Today is Friday, another March of return protest at the fence whatever that will bring for the Palastinians.

Edgware

skepticalme wrote: »

Israel and Hamas spent Wednesday night firing at each other. Israel as usual acting in self defence launched over 150 airstrikes one directly on a home killing an 8 month pregnant woman and her toddler. Her husband is in a coma. Flattened the water and sanitation centre Gaza with 1. Yesterday launched 6 missiles at a cultural centre in the middle of Gaza, a 5 story building and flattened it. The BBC reported that 'Israeli strikes killed woman and toddler.' The Israeli's complained and told them to change it. They did. It then read 'Gaza airstrikes kill woman and child after rockets hit Israel'. Why has Israel the power to change newspaper headlines? I know they're after Corbyn in the UK because of his support for Palastinians, what else are they influencing. This should be stopped now.
Today is Friday, another March of return protest at the fence whatever that will bring for the Palastinians.

How stupid are the Palestinians? They will march up to the fence, act up until Israel responds and a few get killed. ( not any of the Hamas leadership though)
Poor leaderships on both sides canonly see force as a means of solving the problem