Does Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I was wondering where Gatling was today, he usually has strong opinions

I was busy working

Buy hey .

Some day

AllForIt

I despair of this crisis. As much as I have sympathy for the Palestinians I can't help but think their 'peaceful protest' is designed to be nothing of the kind.

Edit: And to bring youngsters to the border for this protest is just despicable to me, when they know perfectly well how it's all going to filter out.


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Rjd2

AllForIt wrote: »

I despair of this crisis. As much as I have sympathy for the Palestinians I can't help but think their 'peaceful protest' is designed to be nothing of the kind.

Edit: And to bring youngsters to the border for this protest is just despicable to me, when they know perfectly well how it's all going to filter out.


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Yeah I mean what Israel did was barbaric, but to suspect the protesters did not have bad intentions along with Hamas is a little naive. It obviously doesn't justify the massacre, but I wish people would be a little more critical of Hamas.

BlaasForRafa

AllForIt wrote: »

I despair of this crisis. As much as I have sympathy for the Palestinians I can't help but think their 'peaceful protest' is designed to be nothing of the kind.

Edit: And to bring youngsters to the border for this protest is just despicable to me, when they know perfectly well how it's all going to filter out.


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The Washington Post (traditionally to the left of the political spectrum and no friend of Israel) had an interesting article giving more of the palestinian activities during the attacks on the border

Some young men brought knives and fence cutters. At a gathering point east of Gaza City, organizers urged protesters over loudspeakers to burst through the fence, telling them Israeli soldiers were fleeing their positions, even as they were reinforcing them.

later

A truck rolled past carrying young men chanting: “To Jerusalem we go with millions of martyrs” and “Death rather than humiliation.”

While some said they would abide by official calls to keep the demonstrations peaceful, others talked about their enthusiasm to break into Israel and wreak havoc.

“We are excited to storm and get inside,” said 23-year-old Mohammed Mansoura. When asked what he would do inside Israel, he said, “Whatever is possible, to kill, throw stones.”

Two other young men carried large knives and said they wanted to kill Jews on the other side of the fence.

Peaceful protests indeed.

The palestinian claims on casualty figures make no sense either. They claim that 1359 people were injured by live ammunition. Al-Shifaa hospital alone claimed

It had received around 400 injured by about 6 p.m., most of whom had been shot

So many shot but 58 dead? The Israelis must be either astonishingly good at shooting people in the arms and legs or Hamas is lying about the numbers to garner sympathy through the media.

JupiterKid

Look, Israel invaded surrounding countries in 1967, refuses to leave these occupied territories, illegally settled them by Zionist ultra orthodox types and they expect the Palestinians to totally acquiesce?

They are the architect of their own troubles. They reap what they sow.

flas

Its genocide..its one group of people trying to wipe out another,simple as that

The people protesting,just protesting,have literally have their land ripped from them,violently..its like poland in the late 30's early 40's...its trying to destroy a whole nation of people by force..of course they are protesting,its the exact same as if italy invaded germany and then started shooting the germans for protesting about their homes and land being seized by force..no different... the jewish people should be ashamed of the Zionist regime proclaiming to represent them...which they dont

Auguste Comte

AllForIt wrote: »

I despair of this crisis. As much as I have sympathy for the Palestinians I can't help but think their 'peaceful protest' is designed to be nothing of the kind.

Edit: And to bring youngsters to the border for this protest is just despicable to me, when they know perfectly well how it's all going to filter out.


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And let's not lose sight of the fact that it was Israelis who shot and murdered these innocent children.

pleas advice

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

So many shot but 58 dead? The Israelis must be either astonishingly good at shooting people in the arms and legs or Hamas is lying about the numbers to garner sympathy through the media.

The Las Vegas shooting last year, 58 dead 851 injured. And that was from an elevated position shooting on a more enclosed, concentrated crowd.

tomofson

Jewish supremacists want to wipe out us all, they want us fighting wars so us goyim(cattle) can kill each other off.

They have already created famines and plagues and killed countless millions across the world, they where responsible for the gulags in russia and the mass replacement programmes of all of russia's other ethnic minorities, not one jew was ever tortured to death in a gulag, but plenty of Chinese,koreans,tatars,cossacks,chechens,dagestanis and avars where, among'st others.

ALL the bolshevik leadership was of jewish bloodline, they carried a jewish supremacist mentality which they hid from the public but discussed behind closed doors.

Over 50% of all ships carrying african slaves during the african slave trade where owned by jews, they only made up 1% of the entire worlds population.

Ran out of 200 different countries and districts over the course of 1000 years and its always everyone else's fault, really?

vladmydad

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

I'd like to hear the alternatives that the Israeli border guards should have took when faced violent massed crowds trying to cross their border.

Hamas is using public radio speakers to call all young men to storm the fences and be martyred. Israel is in an impossible situation. If it gives Palestinians a state, it will be a terrorist rouge state, like Iran, whose sole aim will be to destroy Israel. Also it will be free to import arms and funding from all the Arab nations. Also people ignore the fact that Hamas rules with an iron fist. It has squads that kill anyone who doesn’t support the violent tactics. All Israel asks is that they recognize Israel and pledge to accept the borders and not use anymore terrorism. Also there is no such people as Palestinians and has never been a Palestinian state.

vladmydad

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

I'd like to hear the alternatives that the Israeli border guards should have took when faced violent massed crowds trying to cross their border.

Not shoot them.

So allow 40,000 young angry men to run into Israel.

vladmydad

JupiterKid wrote: »

Look, Israel invaded surrounding countries in 1967, refuses to leave these occupied territories, illegally settled them by Zionist ultra orthodox types and they expect the Palestinians to totally acquiesce?

They are the architect of their own troubles. They reap what they sow.

What no , Israel was attacked be multiple countries who’s aim was to destroy them. However the Israelies kicked their asses and conquered more territory. They handed back the Sini peninsula to Egypt and made peace. Why ?? Because Egypt recognized they’re right to exist. That’s all they want from Palestinians.

nacho libre

If you ask me these Palestinians are as bad as the Syrians in 2011. Who knew Bibi and Bashar were on the right side. These pesky protestors protesting are all potential terrorist, so Bibi and bashar are right to slaughter them

Gatling, I notice your quick to call out Russia for blocking UN resolutions, but quiet when your beloved America does it;)

Auguste Comte

vladmydad wrote: »

All Israel asks is that they recognize Israel and pledge to accept the borders and not use anymore terrorism.

Where are israels borders?

smurgen

vladmydad wrote: »

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

I'd like to hear the alternatives that the Israeli border guards should have took when faced violent massed crowds trying to cross their border.

Not shoot them.

So allow 40,000 young angry men to run into Israel.

Why don't they just blanket bomb them in their sleep.that'll stop them entering israel altogether.

Subcomandante Marcos

smurgen wrote: »

Why don't they just blanket bomb them in their sleep.that'll stop them entering israel altogether.

Likud tend to keep the blanket bombings until there's an election coming up, it's a good way to whip up a frenzy in the rabid nationalists who vote for them and support from the lunatic religious fundamentalists who support them in the US.

Deusexmachina

vladmydad wrote: »

What no , Israel was attacked be multiple countries who’s aim was to destroy them. However the Israelies kicked their asses and conquered more territory. They handed back the Sini peninsula to Egypt and made peace. Why ?? Because Egypt recognized they’re right to exist. That’s all they want from Palestinians.

That’s not all they want, in fairness.

Gatling

nacho libre wrote: »

Gatling, I notice your quick to call out Russia for blocking UN resolutions, but quiet when your beloved America does it;)

More lies

Deusexmachina

vladmydad wrote: »

Hamas is using public radio speakers to call all young men to storm the fences and be martyred. Israel is in an impossible situation. If it gives Palestinians a state, it will be a terrorist rouge state, like Iran, whose sole aim will be to destroy Israel. Also it will be free to import arms and funding from all the Arab nations. Also people ignore the fact that Hamas rules with an iron fist. It has squads that kill anyone who doesn’t support the violent tactics. All Israel asks is that they recognize Israel and pledge to accept the borders and not use anymore terrorism. Also there is no such people as Palestinians and has never been a Palestinian state.

You are arguing that it is reasonable for Israel to expect to be recognized but you state there is no such thing as Palestinians or Palestine.

You have an agenda.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canadian-doctor-shot-by-israeli-sniper-near-gaza-border/

Dr. Loubani, who has served as an emergency field doctor in Tanzania and conflict zones such as Iraq and southern Lebanon, said he was wearing a green surgeon’s outfit and standing with several orange-vested paramedics about 25 metres from the protests at the border when he was hit.

“I am very seasoned about not being shot at. I know where to stand. I know where to be. I know how not to get shot,” he told The Globe and Mail in a telephone interview from Gaza where he recuperating. “Snipers don’t reach me because of mistakes. I did everything right. We were all huddled. We were high visibility. It was quiet at the exact moment I got shot. The bullet went through my left leg, through my right leg out and hit the ground.


So not only is killing human shields ok, shooting doctors is also grand, and will be defended by lovely people here. The paramedic who was also visibly marked got killed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_neutrality

Deusexmachina

Deusexmachina wrote: »

You are arguing that it is reasonable for Israel to expect to be recognized but you state there is no such thing as Palestinians or Palestine.

You have an agenda.

Everyone that bothers to talk about this conflict has an agenda. Everyone has their biases, whether it's based on personal experience, or influenced by the articles they've read online.

Sponge25

Both sides are vile and base beyond belief. It's funny to see the Shabbos Goy here stand up for Israel. The Talmudists Jews refer to you who defend them "useful cattle". On the otherhand the terrorists in Palestine are amongst the biggest cowards on Earth.

Padraig Mor

vladmydad wrote: »

All Israel asks is that they recognize Israel

All the main Arab countries and Palestinian groups (including the - democratically elected - Hamas) have said they will recognise Israel if they abide by the 1967 borders (which themselves legitimise land stolen by Israel).

and pledge to accept the borders

A common underhand tactic by the Israelis - "accept our borders".......except Israel has never actually defined its borders - how can the Palestinians accept unknown borders?!

ArchXStanton

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canadian-doctor-shot-by-israeli-sniper-near-gaza-border/

Dr. Loubani, who has served as an emergency field doctor in Tanzania and conflict zones such as Iraq and southern Lebanon, said he was wearing a green surgeon’s outfit and standing with several orange-vested paramedics about 25 metres from the protests at the border when he was hit.

“I am very seasoned about not being shot at. I know where to stand. I know where to be. I know how not to get shot,” he told The Globe and Mail in a telephone interview from Gaza where he recuperating. “Snipers don’t reach me because of mistakes. I did everything right. We were all huddled. We were high visibility. It was quiet at the exact moment I got shot. The bullet went through my left leg, through my right leg out and hit the ground.


So not only is killing human shields ok, shooting doctors is also grand, and will be defended by lovely people here. The paramedic who was also visibly marked got killed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_neutrality

Sure didn't one of Israels top military men say they could account for every bullet and exactly were it landed? So they're targeting doctors now,I don't know if any of you have seen the video of the close call with a bullet a journalist had,he had all the press garb on him,they knew exactly what they were aiming for

Grayson

tomofson wrote: »

Jewish supremacists want to wipe out us all, they want us fighting wars so us goyim(cattle) can kill each other off.

They have already created famines and plagues and killed countless millions across the world, they where responsible for the gulags in russia and the mass replacement programmes of all of russia's other ethnic minorities, not one jew was ever tortured to death in a gulag, but plenty of Chinese,koreans,tatars,cossacks,chechens,dagestanis and avars where, among'st others.

ALL the bolshevik leadership was of jewish bloodline, they carried a jewish supremacist mentality which they hid from the public but discussed behind closed doors.

Over 50% of all ships carrying african slaves during the african slave trade where owned by jews, they only made up 1% of the entire worlds population.

Ran out of 200 different countries and districts over the course of 1000 years and its always everyone else's fault, really?

I assume we're all just going to ignore this post?

Grayson

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canadian-doctor-shot-by-israeli-sniper-near-gaza-border/

Dr. Loubani, who has served as an emergency field doctor in Tanzania and conflict zones such as Iraq and southern Lebanon, said he was wearing a green surgeon’s outfit and standing with several orange-vested paramedics about 25 metres from the protests at the border when he was hit.

“I am very seasoned about not being shot at. I know where to stand. I know where to be. I know how not to get shot,” he told The Globe and Mail in a telephone interview from Gaza where he recuperating. “Snipers don’t reach me because of mistakes. I did everything right. We were all huddled. We were high visibility. It was quiet at the exact moment I got shot. The bullet went through my left leg, through my right leg out and hit the ground.


So not only is killing human shields ok, shooting doctors is also grand, and will be defended by lovely people here. The paramedic who was also visibly marked got killed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_neutrality

Apparently most of the wounds people got were leg wounds. It sounds like they were deliberately picking them off with live fire.

A double amputee in a wheelchair was killed. Guess they couldn't shoot his legs.

Zebra3

Still waiting on a zionist shill to show us Israel’s borders.....

ThinkProgress

Zebra3 wrote: »

Still waiting on a zionist shill to show us Israel’s borders.....

Still waiting on the Hamas apologists, to explain why it's deemed acceptable to put your own civilians in the firing line of Israeli bullets...

Does it bother you at all, that the Palestinian leadership has such disregard for it's own people?

RustyNut

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Still waiting on the Hamas apologists, to explain why it's deemed acceptable to put your own civilians in the firing line of Israeli bullets...

Does it bother you at all, that the Palestinian leadership has such disregard for it's own people?

Where are Palestinian children safe from terrorist state of Israel?

Subcomandante Marcos

RustyNut wrote: »

Where are Palestinian children safe from terrorist state of Israel?

Apparently being 700 meters behind a fence which is in turn a few hundred meters from a fortified elevated position is enough for children, medics, journalists, and unarmed mean and children to be deemed threats.

I'm not sure ThinkProgess realises he's defending the shooting of children turned human shields.

Let that sink in.. Defending the shooting of children.


I don't even want to argue with him anymore. He's disgusting.

ThinkProgress

RustyNut wrote: »

Where are Palestinian children safe from terrorist state of Israel?

Well, clearly they are not safe from their own leadership... not even in say, a hospital or a hotel, where Hamas have fired rockets... rockets whose sole purpose is to encourage Israel to retaliate by targeting civilian locations!

So yes, their own leadership willingly sacrifices them any chance they get...

weldoninhio

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Apparently being 700 meters behind a fence which is in turn a few hundred meters from a fortified elevated position is enough for children, medics, journalists, and unarmed mean and children to be deemed threats.

Same as playing football on a beach.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/11/israel-clears-military-gaza-beach-children

skepticalme

Only Israeli soldiers are responsible for 60 people dead. 1 an 8 month old baby, children and a paramedic.
Only Israeli soldiers are responsible for 2771 injured people, 122 children, 44 women, 12 journalists and 17 paramedics.
The hospital said the bullets caused the bone to turn to dust. Do they use special bullets for the legs of Palestinians?

Israel controls their supplies into the gaza strip. They have 4 hours of electricity daily. The water is contaminated. They have no jobs, and no hope of a future.
Israel are just waiting it out, making life intolerable and when they resist killing them

The IDF showed a video of the 'rioting' and it doesn't help the Israeli excuse. A few burning tyres and people throwing stones. No threat to the highly armed snipers hiding behind a bank way back from the fence. There are many videos online which show the indiscriminate shooting of people just standing around.

Watching Prime Time last night is the true face of Zionism. They couldn't care less about Palastine, it's contained. Their sights are on Iran leading Trump by the nose.

zapitastas

weldoninhio wrote: »

Same as playing football on a beach.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/11/israel-clears-military-gaza-beach-children

Nothing to see there ... move along ... that Hamas compound that the children were near when that occurred was cunningly hidden as a small fisherman's shack. Was a full internal investigation and everything was above board

Subcomandante Marcos

zapitastas wrote: »

Nothing to see there ... move along ... that Hamas compound that the children were near when that occurred was cunningly hidden as a small fisherman's shack. Was a full internal investigation and everything was above board

Their football was actually a staging platform for qassam rockets.

Elmer Blooker

zapitastas wrote: »

Nothing to see there ... move along ... that Hamas compound that the children were near when that occurred was cunningly hidden as a small fisherman's shack. Was a full internal investigation and everything was above board

Who would have expected that?

smurgen

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Zebra3 wrote: »

Still waiting on a zionist shill to show us Israel’s borders.....

Still waiting on the Hamas apologists, to explain why it's deemed acceptable to put your own civilians in the firing line of Israeli bullets...

Does it bother you at all, that the Palestinian leadership has such disregard for it's own people?

They fired hundreds of yards into Gaza.who gave the Israeli's that right? Are Palestinians not allowed to feel safe in their own country?

wes

Grayson wrote: »

I assume we're all just going to ignore this post?

I put people like that on ignore. Better for your sanity.

smurgen

It's time to start divesting from Israel in a systematic fashion.I see them and the Saudi's as being in the same light morally and I will never step foot in either ****hole.Time they were cut off from the rest of the world until the stop commiting war crimes.

CruelCoin

smurgen wrote: »

They fired hundreds of yards into Gaza.who gave the Israeli's that right? Are Palestinians not allowed to feel safe in their own country?

Gaza is a territory, not a country. There is officially no state of Israel or Palestine, as there are no recognised borders for either.

Gaza was occupied (annexed) after the 1967 war, and when they pulled out in 2010, they still retained control over the borders. (Egypt controls the southern border, and funnily enough, also the blockade)

Technically, the Israelies are firing into Israeli land they annexed from Egypt.
There just happen to be palestinians there.

And before anyone goes on about "who gave them the right to annex, etc etc"; when you go to war with someone and lose, then you lose any and all claim over whatever the victors put dibs on. War 101.
Also before "but muh international law"; That's not how the real world works.

smurgen

CruelCoin wrote: »

smurgen wrote: »

They fired hundreds of yards into Gaza.who gave the Israeli's that right? Are Palestinians not allowed to feel safe in their own country?

Gaza is a territory, not a country. There is officially no state of Israel or Palestine, as there are no recognised borders for either.

Gaza was occupied (annexed) after the 1967 war, and when they pulled out in 2010, they still retained control over the borders. (Egypt controls the southern border, and funnily enough, also the blockade)

Technically, the Israelies are firing into Israeli land they annexed from Egypt.
There just happen to be palestinians there.

And before anyone goes on about "who gave them the right to annex, etc etc"; when you go to war with someone and lose, then you lose any and all claim over whatever the victors put dibs on. War 101.
Also before "but muh international law"; That's not how the real world works.

Whatever victors put dibs on?does that include your life?your safety?
Are you calling the Palestinians POW's?you sound like you don't have about as much knowledge of the situation as you do empathy i.e zero.

ArchXStanton

smurgen wrote: »

It's time to start divesting from Israel in a systematic fashion.I see them and the Saudi's as being in the same light morally and I will never step foot in either ****hole.Time they were cut off from the rest of the world until the stop commiting war crimes.

They need to become a more accepting,diverse, multicultural country

This one should take her own advice...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU

Zebra3

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Still waiting on the Hamas apologists, to explain why it's deemed acceptable to put your own civilians in the firing line of Israeli bullets...

Does it bother you at all, that the Palestinian leadership has such disregard for it's own people?

No, it's the Israelis who utterly despise Palestinian life.

Let's burn a baby alive.

Let the terrorist go free.

Then let's dance around and stab a photo of the baby that was murdered.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack

Arthur Daley

CruelCoin wrote: »

Technically, the Israelies are firing into Israeli land they annexed from Egypt.
There just happen to be palestinians there.

And before anyone goes on about "who gave them the right to annex, etc etc"; when you go to war with someone and lose, then you lose any and all claim over whatever the victors put dibs on. War 101.
Also before "but muh international law"; That's not how the real world works.

Fine, but they claim to represent western civilisation in the 20th/21st century. Western Civilisations don't generally go around starting wars or committing war crimes post WWII. This isn't the dark ages. Many who live in western civilised societies are appalled at this extreme anti social behaviour.

Then the Palestinians are presented as uncivilised barbarians. Many folk now side with the Palestinians, without giving anyone a free pass.

CruelCoin

smurgen wrote: »

Whatever victors put dibs on?does that include your life?your safety?
Are you calling the Palestinians POW's?you sound like you don't have about as much knowledge of the situation as you do empathy i.e zero.

Crimeans living in now annexed Crimea are not POW's of Russia.

They are now merely members of the russian federation.

As far as real world p[racticalities go, "palestine" is just part of Israel.

CruelCoin

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Fine, but they claim to represent western civilisation in the 20th/21st century. Western Civilisations don't generally go around starting wars or committing war crimes post WWII. This isn't the dark ages. Many who live in western civilised societies are appalled at this extreme anti social behaviour.

Then the Palestinians are presented as uncivilised barbarians. Many folk now side with the Palestinians, without giving anyone a free pass.

Was this before or after the entire neighbourhood tried and failed to wipe off Israel?
Israel won, and now has Gaza and the Golan heights as annexed prizes.

Whats the confusion here?

smurgen

CruelCoin wrote: »

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Fine, but they claim to represent western civilisation in the 20th/21st century. Western Civilisations don't generally go around starting wars or committing war crimes post WWII. This isn't the dark ages. Many who live in western civilised societies are appalled at this extreme anti social behaviour.

Then the Palestinians are presented as uncivilised barbarians. Many folk now side with the Palestinians, without giving anyone a free pass.

Was this before or after the entire neighbourhood tried and failed to wipe off Israel?
Israel won, and now has Gaza and the Golan heights as annexed prizes.

Whats the confusion here?

The confusion here is how you think this is compatible with international law.the outcome of wars in 1967 doesn't make the shooting of unarmed civilians in 2018 not murders.it is murder and the civilized world is watching.no.spin or mental gymnastics will tell us differently.

Zebra3

CruelCoin wrote: »

Gaza is a territory, not a country. There is officially no state of Israel or Palestine, as there are no recognised borders for either.

Gaza was occupied (annexed) after the 1967 war, and when they pulled out in 2010, they still retained control over the borders. (Egypt controls the southern border, and funnily enough, also the blockade)

Technically, the Israelies are firing into Israeli land they annexed from Egypt.
There just happen to be palestinians there.

And before anyone goes on about "who gave them the right to annex, etc etc"; when you go to war with someone and lose, then you lose any and all claim over whatever the victors put dibs on. War 101.
Also before "but muh international law"; That's not how the real world works.

You don't really know what you're talking about. (Quelle surprise).

Gaza was occupied by Israel (and to an extent still is) but it was never annexed.

East Jeruslaem and the Golan Heights are both occupied and (illegally) annexed, the West Bank is occupied but not (yet) annexed.

When you annex a territory, you grant full citizenship and legal rights (in theory) to all living within said territory.

Given that the so-called democracy of Israel is obsessed with racial numbers, that's why the Occupied West Bank hasn't been annexed, and won't be in full.

Israel is currently doing everything it feels it can get away with to ethnicly cleanse Palestinians out of certain parts of the Occupied West Bank.

There are constantly calls from Israeli politicans to annex Area C as they want the land but not the Palestinians who mainly live in Areas A & B.

That'll leave the Palestinians subjugated in tiny, scattered bantustans.

Be fascinated to know how Israel's apologists can claim it is a democracy when it is actively engaged in such horrendous racial criminality.

Arthur Daley

CruelCoin wrote: »

Was this before or after the entire neighbourhood tried and failed to wipe off Israel?
Israel won, and now has Gaza and the Golan heights as annexed prizes.

Whats the confusion here?

There but for the grace of God go I.