The horrific death of Ana Kriegel

Wheres Me Jumper?

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Seriously what’s your problem? I said DNA and other evidence like her phone.

there is no guarantee that they will lead to the killers capture.
so many people on this thread are jumping to all sorts of daft conclusions.

kaymin

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

there is no guarantee that they will lead to the killers capture.
so many people on this thread are jumping to all sorts of daft conclusions.

In fairness, the DNA and mobile phone most likely will identify the culprits and will go a long way to help convict.

Wheres Me Jumper?

kaymin wrote: »

In fairness, the DNA and mobile phone most likely will identify the culprits and will go a long way to help convict.

not necessarily.
we have no DNA bank in this country. sadly.
what if the killer used a clean SIM? or never contacted her by mobile?

kaymin

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

not necessarily.
we have no DNA bank in this country. sadly.
what if the killer used a clean SIM? or never contacted her by mobile?

The gardai have recovered DNA, - they have chief suspects - all they have to do is put the two together. It's not like a golden gate killer situation.

I don't see it likely that the suspected killer, a 13 year-old, used a clean SIM card. It's been reported that Ana knows her killer and therefore will likely have been in touch with them by phone. Realistically why would the gardai give such information to the media if it wasn't obvious from the evidence gathered to date who was the likely killer - whether through eye witnesses or phone records.

Mrsmum

I live in the general area where this happened and there is almost an unreal feeling that a young girl, a child really could meet a brutal end like this. I can't imagine what her parents and family are suffering.

I also feel really sad that it might turn out to be someone/s among her peer group. It is just incomprehensible to me. Perhaps because I have boys a year older and younger than Ana, I don't think retribution if that is the case will be as satisfying as putting away a fully formed b*****d. When a child kills a child you just feel sad and confused. Judging from this thread, maybe that's just me.

Happy4all

Mrsmum wrote: »

I live in the general area where this happened and there is almost an unreal feeling that a young girl, a child really could meet a brutal end like this. I can't imagine what her parents and family are suffering.

I also feel really sad that it might turn out to be someone/s among her peer group. It is just incomprehensible to me. Perhaps because I have boys a year older and younger than Ana, I don't think retribution if that is the case will be as satisfying as putting away a fully formed b*****d. When a child kills a child you just feel sad and confused. Judging from this thread, maybe that's just me.

How do you know a child killed her?

Mrsmum

Happy4all wrote: »

How do you know a child killed her?

I said "if it is the case".

Flippyfloppy

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

not necessarily.
we have no DNA bank in this country. sadly.
what if the killer used a clean SIM? or never contacted her by mobile?

Exactly. It might not be 'a 13 year old boy'. It wouldn't be the first time the Gardai were wrong. I hope they have the right suspect, but to be honest; to me it's more believable an adult doing this. Just because they have DNA, if they don't have the right suspect it doesn't mean ****.

Take the Delphi murders for example. Police have a recording, picture and probably video of the suspects voice taken by the two girls right before the murder, probably have DNA, and can't figure out who the hell he is.

CeilingFly

Happy4all wrote: »

How do you know a child killed her?

Detectives have effectively said this. Not publically, but certainly to the media.

And there are good reasons.

1. They know at this stage who did it - just need all the evidence to be collated

2. It stops hysteria both in the gutter media and by locals wondering if an unknown murderer is on the loose.

3. It gives the boy a chance to come clean - though that doesn't seem to have worked as he's saying he was attacked by 2 men after he left Ana. (gardai not exactly believing this)

Malayalam

It's one of the saddest, most shocking things I've heard in a long time. Hard to comprehend. May she rest in peace.

I see recent reports suggest other people were in the area besides children? It is almost too difficult to believe a child/children known to her would go into such a dreadful frenzy.

According to the boy's account, Ana left the area ahead of him, which was the last time he saw her.

He told gardai that as he went to leave the area, he was assaulted by two men and was injured. Gardai are following up the boy's account and are trying to track down the two men he says attacked him.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/boy-13-tells-gardai-he-was-attacked-close-to-derelict-farm-where-ana-was-later-murdered-36926308.html

kaymin

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Exactly. It might not be 'a 13 year old boy'. It wouldn't be the first time the Gardai were wrong. I hope they have the right suspect, but to be honest; to me it's more believable an adult doing this. Just because they have DNA, if they don't have the right suspect it doesn't mean ****.

Take the Delphi murders for example. Police have a recording, picture and probably video of the suspects voice taken by the two girls right before the murder, probably have DNA, and can't figure out who the hell he is.

Of course anything is possible but you have to wonder about the boys claims that he was attacked by two adults close to where Ana's remains were found having also admitted he was with her in the barn. Why didn't he volunteer this information when she went missing first?...well, I think we know why.

anewme

Malayalam wrote: »

It's one of the saddest, most shocking things I've heard in a long time. Hard to comprehend. May she rest in peace.

I see recent reports suggest other people were in the area besides children? It is almost too difficult to believe a child/children known to her would go into such a dreadful frenzy.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/boy-13-tells-gardai-he-was-attacked-close-to-derelict-farm-where-ana-was-later-murdered-36926308.html

Ceiling Fly’s post above addresses this.

The Gardai has been “following a definite line of Enquiry “since day 1.

It’s just a matter of stacking up the evidence to get the conviction.

They won’t find the 2 men.

iamwhoiam

Malayalam wrote: »

It's one of the saddest, most shocking things I've heard in a long time. Hard to comprehend. May she rest in peace.

I see recent reports suggest other people were in the area besides children? It is almost too difficult to believe a child/children known to her would go into such a dreadful frenzy.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/boy-13-tells-gardai-he-was-attacked-close-to-derelict-farm-where-ana-was-later-murdered-36926308.html

What strikes me as odd about that report is that surely that lad would have reported that attack to the Gardai when it happened . Had he done so they would have found Anas body much sooner . So is he only now reporting an attack on himself that happened on the Monday evening ?

CeilingFly

Malayalam wrote: »

I see recent reports suggest other people were in the area besides children? It is almost too difficult to believe a child/children known to her would go into such a dreadful frenzy.

The primary suspect said this.

Funny that no-one else seems to have seen these two mysterious men and the prime suspect didn't think to report that he was attacked until he was questioned yesterday?

rockatansky

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

MODERATORS!!!

this thread as decended into a bilefest.
for the sake of all that is decent and respect for that poor childs' grieving family SHUT IT DOWN.

Descended in a bilefest? It was a sh1t show right from the very start.

Franz Von Peppercorn

It’s interesting that some posts - like the exerable post above about the Garda superintendent are suggesting there is nothing but idle internet rumours here.

Outside of the people instinctively blaming foreigners most people are reporting what the press are saying, and they are saying what the police tell them.

AudreyHepburn

A horrific crime and especially against such a young girl. I hope whoever is responsible is caught and punished to the full extent of the law.

Let’s leave the speculation and jumping to conclusions about who did it out of it however and let the Gardai do their job. We don’t know what happened and pretending we do helps no one, Ana least of all.

As for the immigrant bashing don’t even go there- it’s completely irrelevant.

RIP Ana and condolences to her family and friends.

SimpleDimples

The poor girl and shocking to think that one of her peers is most likely responsible for her assult and murder.

The Gardai appear to be fairly certain of their chief suspect who is clearly not a very good liar. He also appears to have left a mountain of evidence at the scene so I don't think it's going to be much longer before they charge him.

I would wonder where his parents are in all this. Surely they have enough sense to see that if he was attacked my two men when a girl he knew went missing he would have let people know before he was brought in for questioning. He obviously has signs of defensive wounds - the poor girl must have fought for her lift.

What a horrible little rapist and murdering bastard. Hopefully he can be tried as a adult.

Rip Ana

SimpleDimples

SimpleDimples wrote: »

The poor girl and shocking to think that one of her peers is most likely responsible for her assult and murder.

The Gardai appear to be fairly certain of their chief suspect who is clearly not a very good liar. He also appears to have left a mountain of evidence at the scene so I don't think it's going to be much longer before they charge him.

I would wonder where his parents are in all this. Surely they have enough sense to see that if he was attacked my two men when a girl he knew went missing he would have let people know before he was brought in for questioning. He obviously has signs of defensive wounds - the poor girl must have fought for her lift.

What a horrible little rapist and murdering bastard. Hopefully he can be tried as a adult.

Rip Ana

you sound certain it's a he, he acted alone and is under 18?? wow..that is terrifying if reports of the scene are anything to go by. christ that's grim.
If people are prone to spray painting the house of known paedo's (totally disregarding the innocent family of the perpetrator ) I wonder how his will fair out???

SimpleDimples

rusty cole wrote: »

you sound certain it's a he, he acted alone and is under 18?? wow..that is terrifying if reports of the scene are anything to go by. christ that's grim.
If people are prone to spray painting the house of known paedo's (totally disregarding the innocent family of the perpetrator ) I wonder how his will fair out???

Sorry I should clarify, at least one underage male involved.

Wheres Me Jumper?

kaymin wrote: »

Of course anything is possible but you have to wonder about the boys claims that he was attacked by two adults close to where Ana's remains were found having also admitted he was with her in the barn. Why didn't he volunteer this information when she went missing first?...well, I think we know why.

he might have been frightened/terrified. having come in contact wit 2 frenzied killers i would be.
then again he might be making it up, but i think it's important to keep an open mind and not jump to conclusions.
if she was raped/sexually assaulted and there's semen/DNA found, then the little psycho will fast run out of stories.

some folk are just born bad.
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/news/records/2012/May/The-antisocial-brain.aspx

VonZan

iamwhoiam wrote: »

What strikes me as odd about that report is that surely that lad would have reported that attack to the Gardai when it happened . Had he done so they would have found Anas body much sooner . So is he only now reporting an attack on himself that happened on the Monday evening ?

Yes, from my understanding some people involved with her that day only began to come forward after the body was found. The Gardai only found her because of her phone signal. Once she was found, people began to come forward and stories starting changing pretty quickly.

This is one of the saddest cases that I can remember. The poor girl. So sad. Hopefully our criminal justice system will do her justice but there is little chance of that either.

Wheres Me Jumper?

i would also suggest if her head/face suffered blunt force trauma, then his clothes would have been badly blood-soaked, possibly containing cerebral matter.
no doubt mummy's laundry basket will have been seized & forensics will be clocking-up some o/time today.

corner of hells

VonZan wrote: »

Yes, from my understanding some people involved with her that day only began to come forward after the body was found. The Gardai only found her because of her phone signal. Once she was found, people began to come forward and stories starting changing pretty quickly.

This is one of the saddest cases that I can remember. The poor girl. So sad. Hopefully our criminal justice system will do her justice but there is little chance of that either.

I live in the area and was up there on the Tuesday , the day after she was reported missing . There was a lot of Gardai and Civil Defence including water units and seemed to be sweeping from the canal , Leixlip side towards the Lucan , house side.
It seemed to be very structured and organised looking like it was just a matter of time before they reached the house.

Wheres Me Jumper?

if this kid & his loving family are forensically aware, then they will have had a good 24 hours to concoct a story, mop up, bleach, scrub and possibly a little bonfire/bbq in the back garden.
we could be dealing with a family of psychos. unlikely but possible ...

iamwhoiam

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

if this kid & his loving family are forensically aware, then they will have had a good 24 hours to concoct a story, mop up, bleach, scrub and possibly a little bonfire/bbq in the back garden.
we could be dealing with a family of psychos. unlikely but possible ...

You can't scrub away your DNA .

Wheres Me Jumper?

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You can't scrub away your DNA .

no but you can erase TRACES of it.

Suckit

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

no but you can erase TRACES of it.

I guess you mean traces of Ana's DNA from the suspects clothes?
One was found with blood on his clothes i believe, also, they would need to remove their DNA from the scene and from themeselves. Not possible.



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/two-teenage-boys-interviewed-over-murder-of-ana-kriegel-1.3501937

Wheres Me Jumper?

then again he might just be a frightened kid, in which case we may be dealing wit 2 fully-fledged child-killers in our midst, doubtless fantasizing over their last &/or planning their next obscenity.

Wheres Me Jumper?

Suckit wrote: »

??

from a crime-scene/clothing etc.
Duh!

Happy4all

corner of hells wrote: »

I live in the area and was up there on the Tuesday , the day after she was reported missing . There was a lot of Gardai and Civil Defence including water units and seemed to be sweeping from the canal , Leixlip side towards the Lucan , house side.
It seemed to be very structured and organised looking like it was just a matter of time before they reached the house.

I think they were treating it as a possible suicide initially. She had been bullied in school according to reports.

The search of the house came about later from mobile location

Suckit

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

from a crime-scene/clothing etc.
Duh!

Not sure who the Duh! is aimed at, but you should read a bit more about it.

backspin.

Happy4all wrote: »

I think they were treating it as a possible suicide initially. She had been bullied in school according to reports.n

Bullying is a very serious issue that needs to be tackled. I'd like to see prosecutions and jail time for bullies. Even for 14 year olds of its relentless.

not yet

I think we can all agree this is a tragic murder for the family to cope with, and that whoever is responsible be given a life sentence (regardless of age)

It just goes to show the times we are living in and the cheap price put on a life.

LLMMLL

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

if this kid & his loving family are forensically aware, then they will have had a good 24 hours to concoct a story, mop up, bleach, scrub and possibly a little bonfire/bbq in the back garden.
we could be dealing with a family of psychos. unlikely but possible ...

You’re really enjoying this aren’t you. Better than an episode of Criminal Minds.

ANDREWMUFC

It’s just not safe out there anymore

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/964777/

Omackeral

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

MODERATORS!!!

this thread as decended into a bilefest.
for the sake of all that is decent and respect for that poor childs' grieving family SHUT IT DOWN.

LLMMLL wrote: »

You’re really enjoying this aren’t you. Better than an episode of Criminal Minds.

That poster is some tulip alright. Literally has the most posts in the entire thread yet calls for it to be close, while many of their contributions are graphic and speculative themselves.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i would also suggest if her head/face suffered blunt force trauma, then his clothes would have been badly blood-soaked, possibly containing cerebral matter.
no doubt mummy's laundry basket will have been seized & forensics will be clocking-up some o/time today.

Mod Note: Wheres Me Jumper?, don't post in this thread again.


Use of gratuitous imagery will not be tolerated.


And that applies to ALL posing here. Use a bit of cop on, ffs.



Buford T. Justice

RacoonQueen

CeilingFly wrote: »

The primary suspect said this.

Funny that no-one else seems to have seen these two mysterious men and the prime suspect didn't think to report that he was attacked until he was questioned yesterday?

Or why an assault on a child wasn't reported to the guards by his parents when there was another local child missing, one who he'd spent time with the same night.
If he was involved, his parents will know and will have been frantically trying to figure out a way to explain it since her body was found as they would have started to put 2+2 together. Absolutely awful thing for parents of the perpetrator/s to deal with too.

Strazdas

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Or why an assault on a child wasn't reported to the guards by his parents when there was another local child missing, one who he'd spent time with the same night.
If he was involved, his parents will know and will have been frantically trying to figure out a way to explain it since her body was found as they would have started to put 2+2 together. Absolutely awful thing for parents of the perpetrator/s to deal with too.

It's a bit shocking that the main suspect(s) in this case is denying all knowledge of the murder.

No tearful confession would suggest that this wasn't some unfortunate incident between peers that spiralled horribly out of control, but that the individual or individuals who carried out the murder are sinister and dangerous and don't feel any remorse.

JaMarcus

I had heard from a local that the kid had a broken arm after whatever happened. I guess he's saying that the 2 men that attacked him caused it. Remains to be seen I suppose.

Seth Brundle

JaMarcus wrote: »

I had heard from a local that the kid had a broken arm after whatever happened. I guess he's saying that the 2 men that attacked him caused it.

I've heard the same but hat the attack was in the park itself. I also heard that it happened on Tuesday from another source.
Usual rumour mill crap

JaMarcus

Strazdas wrote: »

It's a bit shocking that the main suspect(s) in this case is denying all knowledge of the murder.

No tearful confession would suggest that this wasn't some unfortunate incident between peers that spiralled horribly out of control, but that the individual or individuals who carried out the murder are sinister and dangerous and don't feel any remorse.

I don't know, I think it's possible to feel remorseful but also want to try and dodge any repercussions at the same time. Someone of that age is probably more naive in thinking they can get away with it too. They might not be aware of the technology they're up against.

I think it's pretty telling that the Gardaí have released so much information on who they believe the suspect is, so soon after the horrible discovery. I mean, it was pretty much straight off the bat that they were a suspect rather than just a person of interest.

Conservatory

Jesus a lot of speculation on the young lad and his story. I’m glad or hope nobody here is on a jury or working a crime scene.
The dna will show up if it was him. It’s possible it wasn’t.
There was another woman dragged into an suv and is missing not too far from there. A few stops on the m50 away.
As a kid if I got a few slaps I wouldn’t have told the parents. I wouldn’t want my da going out and fighting them.

KathleenGrant

Conservatory wrote: »

As a kid if I got a few slaps I wouldn’t have told the parents. I wouldn’t want my da going out and fighting them.

As a kid I might or might not tell my parents about a few slaps from people I knew but if they were strangers I totally would.

goat2

Hope the person that did it is caught, but it is frightening that another v young person may have done it

tayto lover

goat2 wrote: »

Hope the person that did it is caught, but it is frightening that another v young person may have done it

Plus the fact that they were callous enough to also leave her body lying out there for 3 further days. That takes some doing.

bessboroughboy

Conservatory wrote: »

Jesus a lot of speculation on the young lad and his story. I’m glad or hope nobody here is on a jury or working a crime scene.
The dna will show up if it was him. It’s possible it wasn’t.
There was another woman dragged into an suv and is missing not too far from there. A few stops on the m50 away.
As a kid if I got a few slaps I wouldn’t have told the parents. I wouldn’t want my da going out and fighting them.

Regarding unfolding situations like this new incident, I think the following would be useful in the future:

A means by which every car radio could be over-ridden by any detected broadcast on a certain frequency reserved for use by the guards.

The guards could then immediately seek motorists' assistance in locating a suspect vehicle.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Conservatory wrote: »

Jesus a lot of speculation on the young lad and his story. I’m glad or hope nobody here is on a jury or working a crime scene.
The dna will show up if it was him. It’s possible it wasn’t.
There was another woman dragged into an suv and is missing not too far from there. A few stops on the m50 away.
As a kid if I got a few slaps I wouldn’t have told the parents. I wouldn’t want my da going out and fighting them.

Clearly the story is inconsistent with the reality. I mean he says she left the farm first.

Blanco100

Looks like another girl was abducted somewhere in Wicklow aswell, that's just nuts. What the hell went on there, a family dispute or something worse?

I'd say the guards will get to bottom of that other poor girls murder very quickly, I hope there's no connection between the 2, that would be very scary