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New bike - >4000euro

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  • 21-05-2018 12:46pm
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    terrydel
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    Right, I want to get the lightest ultegra di2 (rim or disc doesnt matter) endurance type road bike in that price bracket.
    Finding weight info is a pain at the best of times, so thought I'd ask here. Whats the lightest endurance type road bike frame around at that price? Trek Emonda?


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    Borderfox
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    I thought the Madone was the Trek endurance model with the iso coupler on the front and rear tubes.


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    cython
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    Borderfox wrote: »
    I thought the Madone was the Trek endurance model with the iso coupler on the front and rear tubes.

    No, the Madone is the aero. Domane is the endurance, with the Emonda being the lightweight climbing model. I think the Emonda is actually the one range without the IsoSpeed feature, as it probably adds weight!


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    terrydel
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    cython wrote: »
    No, the Madone is the aero. Domane is the endurance, with the Emonda being the lightweight climbing model. I think the Emonda is actually the one range without the IsoSpeed feature, as it probably adds weight!

    I'm renting an emonda at the etape this year so will find out, I believe that trek have two geometry options, h1 & h2, with h2 being the less severe.


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    magicbastarder
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    cython wrote: »
    No, the Madone is the aero. Domane is the endurance, with the Emonda being the lightweight climbing model. I think the Emonda is actually the one range without the IsoSpeed feature, as it probably adds weight!
    it was only a couple of months ago that i realised they were all anagrams.


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    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    it was only a couple of months ago that i realised they were all anagrams.

    Ha, same here, I wonder how many other options they can come up with from those letters!


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    magicbastarder
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    for the dutch riders, onedam? (works on two levels, too!)


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    Weepsie
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    They could have a ladies specific one called the dameon


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    Weepsie
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    and go super niche targeting compuer scientists with a Trek Daemon


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    Fian
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    https://www.rosebikes.com/rose-x-lite-cdx-ultegra-di2-2661619

    7.3kg, disc brakes, di2, endurance frame - €3,899.


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    terrydel
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    Fian wrote: »
    https://www.rosebikes.com/rose-x-lite-cdx-ultegra-di2-2661619

    7.3kg, disc brakes, di2, endurance frame - €3,899.

    Are Canyon lighter?


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    magicbastarder
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    why is lightness the ultimate deciding factor? you seem to be asking specifically about the lightest bike available, rather than the best light bike?


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    terrydel
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    why is lightness the ultimate deciding factor? you seem to be asking specifically about the lightest bike available, rather than the best light bike?

    Its not, but I'd like to know.
    Best is subjective.
    As you brought it up, what is the best?


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    Andy Magic
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    Cervelo R5 is pretty light I believe.. This guy took it to the next level

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fimo3ZRg8A


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    magicbastarder
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    heh, i've never bought a bike near that price bracket. but i was watching the GCN show on titanium bikes last night, and checking out the price of enigma bikes. you could get a 7.5KG enigma Ti, for your price - but you wouldn't get Di2.


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    Weepsie
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    You can get a De Rosa Idol with Mechanical Dura Ace from CRC and Wiggle for under your price at the moment too. Upgrade the wheels and you'd have a pretty swish machine. Alternatively, you can get the frame, groupset and wheels separately and save some money


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    Lumen
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    terrydel wrote: »
    Ha, same here, I wonder how many other options they can come up with from those letters!

    720, I think.


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    magicbastarder
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    it's a pity armstrong ruined the relationship between trek and greg lemond, would have been great to have a trek lemonda.
    though it reads a little like lemonade.


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    terrydel
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    it's a pity armstrong ruined the relationship between trek and greg lemond, would have been great to have a trek lemonda.
    though it reads a little like lemonade.

    Who doesn't like lemonade?!


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    brownian
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    As someone else noted, there's more to life than weight. I realise that's the question being asked...but comfort is more likely to matter to riders of endurance machines than a few grams here or there. ridefar.info (https://ridefar.info/bike/cycling-speed/weight/) has some pretty illuminating things to say about weight and performance, from the perspective of the hard core endurance rider.

    Were I have to have 4k to spend, personally, I'd look at a Columbus Genius frame from ciclicorsa.com, get it painted whatever colours I wanted, built up with Ultegra Di2, and put some handbuilt wheels with tubeless tyres on it (I really like the AL33 rims, say from wheeltec). For endurance, I'd add the ergon split seatpost, and the redshift suspension stem..and a brooks or Gilles Berthoud saddle (tho this last will spoil the coolness factor somewhat).


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    endacl
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    why is lightness the ultimate deciding factor? you seem to be asking specifically about the lightest bike available, rather than the best light bike?
    At that point, the easiest way of shaving weight would be to shave.


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    Lumen
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    brownian wrote: »
    Were I have to have 4k to spend, personally, I'd look at a Columbus Genius frame from ciclicorsa.com
    I like metal, but I honestly don't believe that the best metal frames ride as well as the best carbon ones.

    I don't have any evidence of this, other than my experience with expensive titanium, which looks lovely but rides worse than even mid-range carbon.

    It's hard to get objective opinions because people who buy metal frames in the 21st century tend to love them unconditionally.


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    More than €4,000?

    Get yourself a Parlee. That’s a bit more than €4000 though.


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    magicbastarder
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    Lumen wrote: »
    I like metal, but I honestly don't believe that the best metal frames ride as well as the best carbon ones.

    I don't have any evidence of this, other than my experience with expensive titanium, which looks lovely but rides worse than even mid-range carbon.

    It's hard to get objective opinions because people who buy metal frames in the 21st century tend to love them unconditionally.
    *stands up on the bus*
    i've never ridden a carbon bike.


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    Canis Lupus
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    *stands up on the bus*
    i've never ridden a carbon bike.

    I've only ridden one once. Alu is good enough for me. Not that gcn are definitive but they'd buy alu with better componentry as well.

    https://youtu.be/h3RG5dztrXM


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    bikedude
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    BMC Road Machine?

    A Bit under budget
    http://www.fitzcycles.ie/p/3193/bmc-bikes
    A Bit over budged with DI2
    http://www.fitzcycles.ie/p/3194/bmc-bikes

    Or a CAAD12 with DuraAce. Aluminium frame, with some excellent reviews. And that Purple colour is beautiful! Carbon wheels.

    http://www.cyclesuperstore.ie/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=100108


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    terrydel
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    Aegir wrote: »
    More than €4,000?

    Get yourself a Parlee. That’s a bit more than €4000 though.

    D'oh, obviously meant less than!


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    #28
    terrydel
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    Whats the opinion on this in terms of value?

    https://www.westbrookcycles.co.uk/scott-addict-rc-di2-dura-ace-9050-series-road-bike-black-green-2017-p334500

    Seems great value to me.


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    #29
    magicbastarder
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    that's some discount, i'll grant that!


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    DirkVoodoo
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    Aegir wrote: »
    More than €4,000?

    Get yourself a Parlee. That’s a bit more than €4000 though.

    When I saw the unconstrained title of the post, I got excited.

    Imagine my disappointment when I saw there were very few 20k+ bikes being shown.


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    #31
    terrydel
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    that's some discount, i'll grant that!

    I've contacted them, the frame cannot be upgraded to disc which might account for the heavy discount.
    Its a great frame, my only concern would be I've never ridden a 52/36 and being 64kg albeit a pretty good climber, I'm not sure it would suit me over a compact.
    Opinions on the price?


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