Mexican stand off at RTE Primetime

Mr.H

Mr.H wrote: »

A lot of us have similar experiences with family and even friends.

I have also known friends who have survived cancer but in weak moments would have just wanted to die. So no I stand by what I said.

following the trend of confusing a choice you make for yourself and a choice you deny another huh

Subcomandante Marcos

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Fidelma has the smile of Satan

Proof if ever it was needed that family connections go further than intelligence or talent ever will in Irish civil war parties.

pleas advice

fritzelly wrote: »

As Leo said - why wait til now to bring up these constitutional amendment options, what were they doing the past 30 years.

you'd have to ask the 'yes' politicians that

Ally Dick

Deleted User wrote: »

following the trend of confusing a choice you make for yourself and a choice you deny another huh

All very dangerous territory. One law for me. One for you

Mr.H

Subcomandante Marcos wrote:

Being unlucky enough to have had several people in my life deal with terminal cancer and other conditions such as MS, I disagree massively. They don't suddenly lose their mental faculties. If I ever ended up in the position of my family friend who died for MS I'd hope I'd be afforded the wish of a dignified death she fought for and was denied by Irish law.

Mentally.

Not mental faculties.

When you have so much going on you do have loads going on mentally.

I would be against such a law because people don't always think clearly when dealing with these issues. Your talking about suicide and I will never support aided suicide. My 80 year old grandmother would have wanted it to ease the burden on her family even though she had another 4/5 years in her.

Loafing Oaf

fritzelly wrote: »

Well they could hardly let 2 yes against 1 no be on stage.
Obvious ploy by the No side

Being a subscriber to cock-up rather than conspiracy theories, I reckon Cora just got a fit of the vapours...

A.Partridge

Katie Ascough says that after watching an abortion procedure she thinks it must be the worst or one of the worst things that a human being can do to another.

She obviously has never watched a rape then.

Charmeleon

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Being a subscriber to cock-up rather than conspiracy theories, I reckon Cora just got a fit of the vapours...

I would think so too, being so close to the referendum and possibly being a pivotal moment would give anyone the horrors. Politicians are used to arguing whatever way the wind blows and making the most out of either outcome.

hatrickpatrick

batistuta9 wrote: »

What's wrong with euthanasia?

I'd have issues with it in the sense of the risk, horrible though it is to talk about it, of people who are elderly or require full time care, being pressured or manipulated towards it by family or friends. Particularly if any unscrupulous gobsh!tes stood to gain from potential inheritance.

I'm thinking of that "bring out your dead" scene in Monty Python where they try to pass the 'auld fella off as a dead person when he clearly isn't. Awful thing to even think about but we all know there are some absolute monsters out there who otherwise seem perfectly nice and normal, and it's something which would really concern me.

Subcomandante Marcos

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'd have issues with it in the sense of the risk, horrible though it is to talk about it, of people who are elderly or require full time care, being pressured or manipulated towards it by family or friends. .

So deny people their dignity because you've an over active imagination and can't see but the bad in things?

All of this would be easily legislated against. It's not like in countries where euthanasia is legal you can rock up to a clinic at 9am and have you in the funeral home by lunch, it's not a spur of the moment decision.

Just like abortion isn't something people just decide to do on a whim.

The idiocy of your stance is really striking.

Loafing Oaf

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

As predicted, Harris is bloody useless.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

She’s useless as well from what I’ve seen

Anyone expressing a pro-repeal point of view?

Yer Da sells Avon

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Fidelma has the smile of Satan

Ah, don't forget, she's somebody's mother... somebody's sister... somebody's wiffy.

Ash.J.Williams

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Ah, don't forget, she's somebody's mother... somebody's sister... somebody's wiffy.

Hope the luas robocops bust her tonight dodging the fare into town

NIMAN

A.Partridge wrote: »

Katie Ascough says that after watching an abortion procedure she thinks it must be the worst or one of the worst things that a human being can do to another.

She obviously has never watched a rape then.

So is there a place you can actually go to watch a rape video?:eek:

kunst nugget

A.Partridge wrote: »

Katie Ascough says that after watching an abortion procedure she thinks it must be the worst or one of the worst things that a human being can do to another.

She obviously has never watched a rape then.

Who the **** watches a rape?!?! Jesus...

Fred Swanson

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who the f**k watches a primetime debate

Mongfinder General

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Who the fcuk watches an abortion?

The medical personnel who perform it i’d imagine.

Fred Swanson

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Loafing Oaf

Charmeleon wrote: »

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Being a subscriber to cock-up rather than conspiracy theories, I reckon Cora just got a fit of the vapours...

I would think so too, being so close to the referendum and possibly being a pivotal moment would give anyone the horrors. Politicians are used to arguing whatever way the wind blows and making the most out of either outcome.

I think it worked out better for the antis in the end though. IMO toibin is by far their most effective salesman to undecided voters. Very smooth, very plausible, not a hint of the bead rattler about him. If he had some ionabot alongside him it would just have queered the pitch, as it were...

con___manx1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

who the f**k watches a primetime debate

I watch it to see what the clowns are up to that run this country.

StupidLikeAFox

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Ah, don't forget, she's somebody's mother... somebody's sister... somebody's wiffy.

She would still vote against abortion in cases of frape

NIMAN

Seemed to be one of the more civilised debates of the campaign.

qwerty ui op

Can't believe the "No"side have so little to say they revert back to talking about "state of the country" to avoid actual debate.

Akrasia

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'd have issues with it in the sense of the risk, horrible though it is to talk about it, of people who are elderly or require full time care, being pressured or manipulated towards it by family or friends. Particularly if any unscrupulous gobsh!tes stood to gain from potential inheritance.

I'm thinking of that "bring out your dead" scene in Monty Python where they try to pass the 'auld fella off as a dead person when he clearly isn't. Awful thing to even think about but we all know there are some absolute monsters out there who otherwise seem perfectly nice and normal, and it's something which would really concern me.

In than Monty Python scene, its funny because the guy keeps saying he's not dead. In any Euthanasia scenario, the person who is dying gets to make the decision

drunkmonkey

qwerty ui op wrote: »

Can't believe the "No"side have so little to say they revert back to talking about "state of the country" to avoid actual debate.

The yes side don't seem to get some of the abortions are happening because of the state of the country. The Yes doctor got caught our on her own letter about the state of services.

It was poor TV I thought, more like a college debate. Couldn't really warm to Harris, don't think it done anything to sway anybody either direction.

No winners, same for the TV3 debate after it.

Akrasia

qwerty ui op wrote: »

Can't believe the "No"side have so little to say they revert back to talking about "state of the country" to avoid actual debate.

Its sad. If the referendum passes, there is nothing to stop the no side from pushing for these changes which they believe will make life more worthwhile. They won't though. They only care about fetuses, they don't want to pay extra taxes to support children with disabilities or in economic deprivation

Akrasia

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The yes side don't seem to get some of the abortions are happening because of the state of the country. The Yes doctor got caught our on her own letter about the state of services.

It was poor TV I thought, more like a college debate. Couldn't really warm to Harris, don't think it done anything to sway anybody either direction.

No winners, same for the TV3 debate after it.

The 'state of the country' has nothing to do with the 8th amendment. Pro life campaigners can still push for services that they think will reduce abortions with or without the 8th amendment

splinter65

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Not prolife troglodytes?

If you’re prolife you’re a troglodyte? Sums up the yes campaign in the last desperate week pretty much.
Think about it....being pro life is something to be ashamed and embarrassed off.
I wish all the undecided voters could see this.

Akrasia

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I think it worked out better for the antis in the end though. IMO toibin is by far their most effective salesman to undecided voters. Very smooth, very plausible, not a hint of the bead rattler about him. If he had some ionabot alongside him it would just have queered the pitch, as it were...

His best points were pure sophistry. He thinks socialism will cure abortion, but socialism isn't on the ballot card

Akrasia

splinter65 wrote: »

If you’re prolife you’re a troglodyte? Sums up the yes campaign in the last desperate week pretty much.
Think about it....being pro life is something to be ashamed and embarrassed off.
I wish all the undecided voters could see this.

Everyone is pro life. I'm voting yes, and I don't want people to have abortions unless they really need one. The difference between me and you is that I acknowledge that there are lots of situations where abortions are necessary

drunkmonkey

Akrasia wrote: »

The 'state of the country' has nothing to do with the 8th amendment. Pro life campaigners can still push for services that they think will reduce abortions with or without the 8th amendment

It has everything to do with abortion. The proper structures aren't in place we heard that from both sides last night.
The HSE is a money pit neither Leo or Harris have tackled it. Was it 1.1 billion paid out in court cases under Fina Gael, I'm sure a proper functioning Health service could put that money to better use.
The current contraversy is going to cost a fortune again it happened under Leo and Harris and were meant to believe neither of them even heard a whisper about it, pull the other one.

drunkmonkey

The plot thickens

From Cora

"Sherlock released a statement through her brother Leo's website The Liberal, saying "At no stage did I pull out of this debate. There's been a lot of noise today, but please don't worry about headlines."

Something we haven't been told?

zl1whqvjs75cdy

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The plot thickens

From Cora

"Sherlock released a statement through her brother Leo's website The Liberal, saying "At no stage did I pull out of this debate. There's been a lot of noise today, but please don't worry about headlines."

Something we haven't been told?

Or deliberately muddying the waters?

pleas advice

Akrasia wrote: »

Everyone is pro life.

The same way that everyone is pro choice

kerry cow

I will be voting no , because it's not right to end a life, only in the event the mothers life was in danger .we have a allowance for that already .Yes we have lost a few mothers to mistakes but we have saved so many babies lives with the system we have .
Rape cases don't have to wait 10 , 12 0r 20 weeks to terminate .
Your raped today , take the morning after pill this evening .
What's the big issue .the deed is done .
There is many a downs child loved up and down the country .If it was normal to abort , we would not have their presents .
Is it a perfect race that is been sought here ? Is it a reduced maintenance bill the government want on long term health care ?
I believe we should have a little more reflection in our lives , on why are we here ? We should be glad of the hand that we are dealt and deal with it .life is about challenges and how we cope .
How many children have been born to young people who's parents flipped it when they heard the news ? Some babies were aborted , some were not .If you asked the survivors to give their little ones back , it won't happen , why because they are loved by all , and it wasn't as bad as people made out .
People will read this post who have aborted or who are thinking of aborting and who did not abort .why not let that baby grow , adopt out , there are so many wanting children that can nt have .
I will vote no and at this point it doesn't matter to me if the yes side win , because all I can do is the right thing , lead my life as best I can , harm no one and Let all life grow .
I am not any set religion but am a believer in the right to live .

drunkmonkey

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Or deliberately muddying the waters?

Or there just leaving Maria undesputed heavy weight champion of the Abortion debate.
Neither last night were as impressive or passionate.

Cina

kerry cow wrote: »

Your raped today , take the morning after pill this evening .
What's the big issue .the deed is done .

Kerry Troll more like. Christ.

Hitman3000

Well has Cora surfaced yet?

Hitman3000

drunkmonkey wrote:

Something we haven't been told?

Something we won't be told either the truth. Cora banged on for months for Harris to debate her he agrees and in the last few hours before hand she pulls out. Maybe it's the cynic in me bit I think it was a very poor attempt at substituting Maria for Cora. RTE was right not to allow that kind of b.s.. but of course the spin has already started.

hotmail.com

Cora said she didn't pull out but then doesn't explain what happened. There's speculation that their polls are showing the No side losing so hence they are panicking.

drunkmonkey

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Something we won't be told either the truth. Cora banged on for months for Harris to debate her he agrees and in the last few hours before hand she pulls out. Maybe it's the cynic in me bit I think it was a very poor attempt at substituting Maria for Cora. RTE was right not to allow that kind of b.s.. but of course the spin has already started.

I'd think the same but the Cynic in me says Harris would have never agreed to go on the show if Maria was there.

vicwatson

Sherlock didn’t pull out she was told to stay out, a fractious no campaign is in action

kunst nugget

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The plot thickens

From Cora

"Sherlock released a statement through her brother Leo's website The Liberal, saying "At no stage did I pull out of this debate. There's been a lot of noise today, but please don't worry about headlines."

Something we haven't been told?

Ah, the Liberal… the last bastion of true journalism left in this country. Hopefully Cora wins one of Leo's imaginary facebook competitions, she could do with a lift today.

lertsnim

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The plot thickens

From Cora

"Sherlock released a statement through her brother Leo's website The Liberal, saying "At no stage did I pull out of this debate. There's been a lot of noise today, but please don't worry about headlines."

Something we haven't been told?

So Maria Sheen trying to get on instead didn't happen and I suppose Maria Sheen didn't pull out of the Pat Kenny debate and TV3 last night just made it up.

I didn't realise who Cora Sherlocks brother was. That tells me all I need to know about her and this new development.

Hitman3000

drunkmonkey wrote:

I'd think the same but the Cynic in me says Harris would have never agreed to go on the show if Maria was there.

You could be right but Harris showed up Cora didn't. Major screw up and according to the Indo yesterday Maria has pulled out of tonight's TV3 debate.

hotmail.com

lertsnim wrote:

I didn't realise who Cora Sherlocks brother was. That tells me all I need to know about her and this new development.

The Sherlock family are one odd family, that's for sure.

xalot

kerry cow wrote: »

Your raped today , take the morning after pill this evening .
What's the big issue .the deed is done .
.

Kerrycow you have incorrect information about how the morning after pill works, it delays ovulation, if you've already ovulated or the process has started then it wont work.

I hope your reason for voting No is based on more solid facts.

Try_harder

I love the no side spinning that them shafting Cora is somehow RTEs fault!

Cora got dumped tried to get Maria on but RTE said no. Now Maria wont go on Pat Kenny!!!

Mutiny on the bounty!

drunkmonkey

Hitman3000 wrote: »

You could be right but Harris showed up Cora didn't. Major screw up and according to the Indo yesterday Maria has pulled out of tonight's TV3 debate.

I'd say it was never the intention to have Cora there, only way they could get Harris on the show was to promise no Maria.

Not surprised at her pulling out of Pat Kenny show after the run in with him last week.